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16-bit Butt-Head posted:making bosses impossible to beat to slow down the players and hide that content isnt finished is a common thing mmo's do and its funny every time Destiny 1 seemed to try that a few times but didn’t consider how loving obsessed the player base was. That game was my post-UO MMO relapse and I’m so happy it wasn’t Destiny 2 because I might not’ve gotten outta that train. Still hear folks I was playing with 6+ years ago “come back it’s fun now”
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Was it FFXI that had a boss that took literally 12 hours to kill when it was first released? I can't tell if I'm exaggerating or low-balling that number, but there was definitely an MMO that had a technically beatable boss on that time scale.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Was it FFXI that had a boss that took literally 12 hours to kill when it was first released? I can't tell if I'm exaggerating or low-balling that number, but there was definitely an MMO that had a technically beatable boss on that time scale. ff11 had a boss (Absolute Virtue) no one knew how to beat legitimately so would cheese in it various ways and sony would stop it. The trick was using your hour cds at specific times to make it weaker, but since no one knew and it wasn't even hinted at anywhere, it was just zerged down for days at a time. https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Absolute_Virtue
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May 20, 2023 23:24
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Snow Cone Capone posted:final fantasy xi had a bunch of silly poo poo like that, world-bosses that took half a day to kill and the developers patching bosses to make them harder because the leading raid group killed them the wrong way and such The FF mmo's have been insane because at launch they are insanely bad to the point they should've been rightly shut down but Square cannot afford to have a major failure for the brand. There's a insane player base that occasionally mentions the idea of getting a FFXIV 1.0 server and the game director has said "lol gently caress no"
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May 20, 2023 23:25
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absolute virtue was the one that was near unbeatable and every time it was beaten SE banned the players who beat it and redesigned the boss to make it harder. pandemonium warden was the one that couldn’t be beaten in an 18-hour session or something, though iirc it was meant to be more of an insurmountable “you hosed up” obstacle than a typical boss
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May 20, 2023 23:26
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no warden was meant to be killable (its loot pool is entirely unique for one). the thing with warden and virtue is they were meant to be the absolute top end of content for only the strongest players to fight. the issues were 1) they were tuned way way way too strong. warden was infamous for an 18 hour continuous pull that ended in failure since many players started getting sick, and i dont remember any numbers for virtue offhand but my brain is telling me it was even worse. 2) anytime people figured something out for virtue they got banned for it lol. this combo got square-enix so much bad press they eventually added a loading screen message saying "dont make your health worse for a videogame dumbass lol" and forcing the 2 bosses to despawn after 2 hours (with paired nerfs to make it possible to kill them in that time).
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May 20, 2023 23:45
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FF eleven was the only MMO I've ever played. Installed, signed up, played 10 minutes and realised I needed a side numeric keypad, which was absent on my laptop. Uninstalled, cancelled subscription, and sat in buyer's remorse all within a couple hours. One month later, Squeenix charged me for another month. They're the only time I've had to do a chargeback. Never touched a mmo again
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May 21, 2023 00:05
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Absolute virtue would cast a renamed copy of each job's 2 hour CD ability, and you had to have someone cast the matching version to lock it out in a pretty tight timeframe. Given this was the early 2000s internet speeds and there was both cast and animation times on spells that was not easy to put two and two together. One of the spells he casts is Benediction which will heal his entire healthbar, and unlike all the other job abilities which are cast in order he just whips it out randomly. People still found ways to kill it. You could burn him down before he decides to cast it which they said was an exploit and patched it, they also broke his pathfinding AI by hiding behind rocks which they also patched and banned them for.
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May 21, 2023 00:10
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Also the servers were all in JP so if you're in NA or EU you'd have 300 ping.
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May 21, 2023 00:12
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Hit level 96 in path of exile. Can’t stop. Won’t stop.
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Wildstar seemed like a great fun pve/exploration MMO and I got into it but my computer was a real piece of poo poo at the time so I ended up not playing it for very long. Guess I dodged a bullet there.
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May 21, 2023 00:20
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MMORPG players are demented.
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You'd read updates from people trying to beat these guys like pioneers writing home. Day 21: Progress is slow. We've gotten him to 54% but lost Jimmy to dysentery.
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May 21, 2023 00:33
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I actually don't think anyone got banned for beating Virtue but everyone who did was threatened with a ban if they beat it the same way again for like three years until the devs actually bothered to reveal how the gently caress you were supposed to kill it Warden I think did actually have some bans to its name FF11 is a fascinating look into "hardcore" MMO player brainspace (and it shouldn't surprise you that it's pretty much all misery)
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Psycho Landlord posted:I actually don't think anyone got banned for beating Virtue but everyone who did was threatened with a ban if they beat it the same way again for like three years until the devs actually bothered to reveal how the gently caress you were supposed to kill it Why didn't they just add an NPC that gave hints? Everyone involved in MMOs seems to deserve each other
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May 21, 2023 00:42
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Vim Fuego posted:Why didn't they just add an NPC that gave hints? Everyone involved in MMOs seems to deserve each other because again this was meant to be the hardest fight in the game at the time. if they gave you hints its not very hard lol
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Grassy Knowles posted:Destiny 1 seemed to try that a few times but didn’t consider how loving obsessed the player base was. destiny 1 sucked rear end because every time players had fun the wrong way, devs patched that poo poo out within like minutes. vault of glass had a boss called the paladin that you could bully off of a cliff instead of fighting him for like 20 minute sor however stupid long it took and they added invisible bumper rails to the arena so you couldnt do that any more because players were violating their precious ~vision~ for the experience of w/e. felt incredibly antagonistic lol
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copy posted:destiny 1 sucked rear end because every time players had fun the wrong way, devs patched that poo poo out within like minutes. vault of glass had a boss called the paladin that you could bully off of a cliff instead of fighting him for like 20 minute sor however stupid long it took and they added invisible bumper rails to the arena so you couldnt do that any more because players were violating their precious ~vision~ for the experience of w/e. felt incredibly antagonistic lol They brought him back in destiny 2 and removed the invisible walls and then got salty when people trained him off the edges again
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copy posted:destiny 1 sucked rear end because every time players had fun the wrong way, devs patched that poo poo out within like minutes. vault of glass had a boss called the paladin that you could bully off of a cliff instead of fighting him for like 20 minute sor however stupid long it took and they added invisible bumper rails to the arena so you couldnt do that any more because players were violating their precious ~vision~ for the experience of w/e. felt incredibly antagonistic lol Breaking their vision by doing poo poo like soloing crota and owning in pvp with dual wield snipers was the only thing that kept me going.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:making bosses impossible to beat to slow down the players and hide that content isnt finished is a common thing mmo's do and its funny every time I swear this was a thing. I don't know if it was everquest or a later mmo, I just remember hearing a tale of a raid boss that took like an actual day to kill.
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Captain Invictus posted:which game was it that had the big white angelic raid boss that took an insane amount of time to beat and I think necessitated rotating shifts of players that was absolute virtue in ffxi
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everquest had an unkillable boss that only spawned once ever per server and when players almost killed him on the final server he hadnt spwned on the server went down
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Also ffxi fights were extremely simple and you spent most of the time just staring at the screen waiting for the 1 or 2 buttons you need to press, so if you told the players what to do it'd be cleared in like a week and they wanted these things to last months.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:everquest had an unkillable boss that only spawned once ever per server and when players almost killed him on the final server he hadnt spwned on the server went down We killed Lord British in UO and MMOs have all been downhill since.
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People always praise the player housing in Wildstar. How did that work?
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In SWG mayor was like, a profession. you and your guild would have a town and one of your members would have to dedicate like half their skills just to be the drat mayor. there was a contest put on by the devs that required a lot of work - i cant remember what you hadda do but your entire guild had to do a ton of stuff - and one winner was selected and given an X wing or TIE fighter to display in their town that no one else had, it was a big deal, put ur city on the map. then another guild moved into town overnight, made up over 51% of the population, voted out their mayor in favor of their puppet dictator and banned all original residents from the city. devs said there was nothing they could do lol
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:everquest had an unkillable boss that only spawned once ever per server and when players almost killed him on the final server he hadnt spwned on the server went down EverQuest in like 99-2000 had a high level enchanter spell that would throw anyome about 300 feet up into the air with no warning, if they were running it would have a ballistic arc to it it would one shot any player characters who fell all the way back down unless they were monks with nothing in their inventory or had levitate people would invite you to group in certain spots and pitch you somewhere you'd die from the fall and wouldn't be able to get to your corpse and get your stuff back - after 48hr it would decay and everything you had on you money and everything would be gone forever on the pvp servers someone could hit you with it anywhere it also made you lose full xp because the death was caused by the fall they patched it to just deal damage enchanters had another 10 minute long static AOE meant for... idk that would create a separate giant orb of bright lights around every character and object you could interact with in a 30m radius and spam their chat window with an effect message when it refreshed every 10 seconds and would lag people out and crash their clients in crowded areas it didn't tell you who casted it either, you had to see them do it, but enchanters could turn into random nearby static objects and not have cast animations game was made to piss off everyone who played it
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That DICK! posted:In SWG mayor was like, a profession. you and your guild would have a town and one of your members would have to dedicate like half their skills just to be the drat mayor. there was a contest put on by the devs that required a lot of work - i cant remember what you hadda do but your entire guild had to do a ton of stuff - and one winner was selected and given an X wing or TIE fighter to display in their town that no one else had, it was a big deal, put ur city on the map. then another guild moved into town overnight, made up over 51% of the population, voted out their mayor in favor of their puppet dictator and banned all original residents from the city. devs said there was nothing they could do lol
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That DICK! posted:In SWG mayor was like, a profession. you and your guild would have a town and one of your members would have to dedicate like half their skills just to be the drat mayor. there was a contest put on by the devs that required a lot of work - i cant remember what you hadda do but your entire guild had to do a ton of stuff - and one winner was selected and given an X wing or TIE fighter to display in their town that no one else had, it was a big deal, put ur city on the map. then another guild moved into town overnight, made up over 51% of the population, voted out their mayor in favor of their puppet dictator and banned all original residents from the city. devs said there was nothing they could do lol lol
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FirstnameLastname posted:EverQuest in like 99-2000 had a high level enchanter spell that would throw anyome about 300 feet up into the air with no warning, if they were running it would have a ballistic arc to it Don’t forget you could mez players on PvP servers. Basically an endless stun you could chain forever unless you interrupted it by dealing damage to the mesmerized player You could even pair the abuse with a friendly shaman casting torpor on the target that would greatly boost their hp regen at the cost of slowing their move speed to a crawl. You could basically lock someone down forever and then kill them when you got bored
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one thing i remember in SWG was that you could ban people from your town and it would prevent them from going into that area and even back then i thought this was a bad idea because a guild could exploit it and start banning people from the krayt dragon graveyard or other popular farming spots and that ended up being exactly what happened lol
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Frank Frank posted:Don’t forget you could mez players on PvP servers. Basically an endless stun you could chain forever unless you interrupted it by dealing damage to the mesmerized player you could charm someone in a duel and make them attack the priest of discord or guards and get them instamurdered & lose xp as you cast gate and teleport away to another zone
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:one thing i remember in SWG was that you could ban people from your town and it would prevent them from going into that area and even back then i thought this was a bad idea because a guild could exploit it and start banning people from the krayt dragon graveyard or other popular farming spots and that ended up being exactly what happened lol lol
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What was that MMO where goons were making everybody puke constantly?
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I watched a real cool retrospective on SWG a few months ago and I lol'd really hard in particular at how to protest the awful changes the devs were making people would damage their speeders and then spam summon + unsummon on it in towns, and since it was damaged when it would zone in, it would make a loud explosion noise complete with smoke cloud, so cities would be impossible to be in, and the admins would respond by teleporting players deep into space as a time out and some players got forgotten and lost there forever....
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Spanish Manlove posted:Age of wushu That was the one where you could castrate people so they could become eunuchs, right?
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Every post about Age of Wushu feels like it should be from some basic MUSH type text game or Ultima Online, just from how much niche poo poo it had, and the wild ways you could gently caress with other players. It being a full 3D game that's only just over a decade old makes it all crazier.
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