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Well this is definitely something that has been a few weeks if not months in the making. A week ago there was a BTR spotted on the Ukrainian side which was a surprise as there had been no tanks from Ukraine on the border. Now I'm wondering if that BTR was actually the Russian of freedom independence movement or whatever the hell they're calling themselves. Why didn't they name themselves 'новороссия'?
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May 22, 2023 19:48
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ChubbyChecker posted:it's very typical for dictatorships to have poo poo armies and decent security forces, because if it was reversed, some army guy or junta would have replaced the dictator with their own While that may be true, what makes for a decent security force is not the same that makes for a decent military. Just because the security forces are good at quashing dissent and maintaining regime control and continuity doesn't mean they'd be better at military operations than the military. I also don't really buy the argument that these countries deliberatedly make their armeis terrible, it's more that any decent dictator is probably gonna be using a number of strategies of ruling and dividing to prevent potentially strong opponents from emerging.
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May 22, 2023 19:54
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Well this is definitely something that has been a few weeks if not months in the making. A week ago there was a BTR spotted on the Ukrainian side which was a surprise as there had been no tanks from Ukraine on the border. Now I'm wondering if that BTR was actually the Russian of freedom independence movement or whatever the hell they're calling themselves. Because "Novorossiya" has negative connotations due to association with Russian imperialism and the revival of the Soviet Union.
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May 22, 2023 19:57
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https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2023/05/the-ballad-of-belgorod-listing.html New Oryx list!
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May 22, 2023 19:58
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Randarkman posted:While that may be true, what makes for a decent security force is not the same that makes for a decent military. Just because the security forces are good at quashing dissent and maintaining regime control and continuity doesn't mean they'd be better at military operations than the military. they absolutely make their armies poo poo on purpose idiot yes men loyal to the regime get promoted over more competent officers and in some countries dictators also make their relatives generals, and this leads to poo poo armies e: yeah, the security forces aren't good against other armies, their function is different
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May 22, 2023 19:59
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May 22, 2023 20:02
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Budzilla posted:This announcement is very funny. I am not sure what the whole point of this incursion would be apart from a distraction to Ukraine's (claimed) near future counter-offensive? It seems like a very risky thing to do that would backfire badly for the participants. Putin will probably have to divert more troops and more heavy equipment to the border now. That's troops and equipment that's not going to be on the front fighting. Pretty decent payoff. Ukraine is very lucky that the modern Russian military is so stupid and incompetent.
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May 22, 2023 20:03
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Randarkman posted:I also don't really buy the argument that these countries deliberatedly make their armeis terrible, it's more that any decent dictator is probably gonna be using a number of strategies of ruling and dividing to prevent potentially strong opponents from emerging. it's true they don't set out with the intent to make their armies poo poo, it's more "I am trying to ensure my personal safety", but in effect that IS deliberately making your army terrible.
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May 22, 2023 20:03
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zone posted:Because "Novorossiya" has negative connotations due to association with Russian imperialism and the revival of the Soviet Union. I know it's a joke. But lol @ Russia having separatists rise up
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May 22, 2023 20:04
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I guess maybe it is hopeful thinking, but a year ago everyone knew there were issues with the RAF but I don't think anyone predicted it was THIS bad, so maybe all it's going to take is a good punch in the mouth from some separatists and we will see that 
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May 22, 2023 20:05
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Too literate for the greenskins. Flash posers.
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May 22, 2023 20:05
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https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1660716981325012999
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May 22, 2023 20:11
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Alan Smithee posted:Why is Russia escalating this situation Anyone who disagrees with this is a bloodthirsty lib.
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May 22, 2023 20:13
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Hundreds of militiamen. Man oh man. Let's hope that they are pulling as much as they can towards Belgorod and plan to have more uprisings once the military is distracted. SLAVA....the Belgorod peoples republic of the independent confederation of post federal russia?
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May 22, 2023 20:13
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Hundreds of militiamen. Man oh man. Let's hope that they are pulling as much as they can towards Belgorod and plan to have more uprisings once the military is distracted. They could use a few Abrams and an F-16 or two.
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May 22, 2023 20:14
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1660707235683549185 Confused Oryx noises ensue. 
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May 22, 2023 20:14
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Deteriorata posted:They could use a few Abrams and an F-16 or two. I've said it before and I'll say it again. give the people's republic of Belgorod a Gerald Ford class.
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May 22, 2023 20:15
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https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1660720979729948673
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May 22, 2023 20:16
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Randarkman posted:While that may be true, what makes for a decent security force is not the same that makes for a decent military. Just because the security forces are good at quashing dissent and maintaining regime control and continuity doesn't mean they'd be better at military operations than the military. the Russian army is absolutely intentionally weakened by the state - especially in terms of its political influence, the police state is very solidly established above them in the pecking order in every way f.ex. Russian army bases regularly have to pay protection money to the fuckin mob, that's how big of chumps they are domestically the problem they've had is that intentional crippling stacked onto the unintentional crippling from corruption which ended up being far greater in effect they tried deploying some rosgvardia early on near Kyiv, intending to occupy territory, and the elements they sent got wiped because they're trained in crowd control stuff & were equipped for it too (think riot control gear instead of ballistic protection) they're better paid than the RUAF are & have better equipment and undergo more training, but they're specialized for domestic situations and not suited to fighting pitched battles against uniformed armies at all, but there's a lot of them, 700k~ (and afaik they do have highpower weaponry of their own like artillery & armor so they're not like, entirely a bunch of dudes with batons ) another important detail with the rosgv. is they report directly to Putin, not to the Russian armed forces, or the Russian Federation
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May 22, 2023 20:17
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Can’t believe Russia is prolonging this invasion of its territory by not instantly surrendering to Russia. Bloodthirsty liberals.
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May 22, 2023 20:18
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https://twitter.com/TomaszB07790792/status/1660714925486923777 If the two BTRs wasn't bad enough, apparently they skylarked off with a T-72 too.
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May 22, 2023 20:19
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Russia should send diplomats, not tanks and fighter jets.
beer_war fucked around with this message at 20:36 on May 22, 2023 |
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May 22, 2023 20:20
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I'm morbidly curious to see what Russia will do. Either continue their obliterate-everything-with-artillery tactics on Russian villages or drive the
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May 22, 2023 20:21
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/TomaszB07790792/status/1660714925486923777  Did they just leave this poo poo out? Holy poo poo how bad is security behind the border? Is every loving available soldier in Bakhmut/ guarding Crimea Lmao what even is the Russian military
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May 22, 2023 20:25
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CommieGIR posted:What's VDV doing?! Decomposing, mostly.
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May 22, 2023 20:28
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U guys think that dude the old lady gave the sunflower seeds to is still alive?
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May 22, 2023 20:29
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https://twitter.com/irgarner/status/1660724130067390479?s=20 Good thread.
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May 22, 2023 20:29
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I'm woefully uninformed here and this thread goes long, but can someone clear this up - So this Freedom of Russia thing is real? There's a uhhh squad, or a number of Russian citizens fighting against Putin from inside Russia? Or is this some sort of show
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May 22, 2023 20:30
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Nobody here knows yet.
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May 22, 2023 20:31
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:I'm woefully uninformed here and this thread goes long, but can someone clear this up - So this Freedom of Russia thing is real? There's a uhhh squad, or a number of Russian citizens fighting against Putin from inside Russia? Or is this some sort of show That appears to be the case.
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May 22, 2023 20:32
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:I'm woefully uninformed here and this thread goes long, but can someone clear this up - So this Freedom of Russia thing is real? There's a uhhh squad, or a number of Russian citizens fighting against Putin from inside Russia? Or is this some sort of show Yes. https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1660713232372211713?s=20
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May 22, 2023 20:33
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I just care about human life. Russia should have a ceasefire with Russia and sit down with Russia at the negotiating table. Taking arms from Russia and fighting against Russia is just what the Russian war machine wants.
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May 22, 2023 20:35
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Some Cardassian Liberation Front poo poo happening right now
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May 22, 2023 20:35
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Toxic Mental posted:I just care about human life. Russia should have a ceasefire with Russia and sit down with Russia at the negotiating table. Taking arms from Russia and fighting against Russia is just what the Russian war machine wants. Maybe Russia should just leave Russia, then.
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May 22, 2023 20:36
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War bad.
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May 22, 2023 20:37
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Putin better not nuke the Belgorod.
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May 22, 2023 20:37
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Or is this some sort of show It's clearly a scripted event ordered by the comedian to distract from the immortal victory at Bakhmut.
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May 22, 2023 20:38
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:I'm woefully uninformed here and this thread goes long, but can someone clear this up - So this Freedom of Russia thing is real? There's a uhhh squad, or a number of Russian citizens fighting against Putin from inside Russia? Or is this some sort of show It's an international brigade in the Ukrainian military that consists of mostly Russian volunteers. They did a pretty big raid into Russian territory, possibly the biggest to date. Nothing more is known yet.
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May 22, 2023 20:38
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So if these fellows in the Freedom of Russia group are really Ukrainians doing a psy op, could they tell from the accents? I know many Ukrainians speak Russian, but would it be like a bunch of Welsh-accented guys showing up in England?
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May 22, 2023 20:38
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Ralph Crammed In posted:So if these fellows in the Freedom of Russia group are really Ukrainians doing a psy op, could they tell from the accents? I know many Ukrainians speak Russian, but would it be like a bunch of Welsh-accented guys showing up in England? The CIA trained them well, too well. Much like France and the US Government in Libya. They almost look like they're natives.
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May 22, 2023 20:40
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