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Gravitas Shortfall posted:imagine a TF3 Vanilla TF2 was the perfect game tbh. Gravel Pit was such a good loving map
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comedyblissoption posted:someone save me from this hell There was a reason I stopped playing that lovely game.
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May 22, 2023 10:40
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Is autoaim really a thing in all shooters except CS/Valorant/OW? When did this happen, like in the last 5 years? I am an old person who never touched console online shooters
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May 22, 2023 11:32
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icantfindaname posted:Is autoaim really a thing in all shooters except CS/Valorant/OW? When did this happen, like in the last 5 years? I am an old person who never touched console online shooters Pretty much, yes. It became very common, if not the industry standard, for controllers to get incredibly heavy aim assist when console/PC crossplay became the norm. The specific strength of it varies from game to game, but in Apex at least it's so strong that a lot of sweaty tryhard players switched to controller specifically because it's a big advantage.
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May 22, 2023 11:36
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Kanos posted:Pretty much, yes. It became very common, if not the industry standard, for controllers to get incredibly heavy aim assist when console/PC crossplay became the norm. Specifically, its so strong that people who had been playing games competitively with KB+M for literal years swapped control schemes because they were more effective with controllers and a few weeks of practice than they were with years of their old scheme. People will still look at all the pro's doing this and say "yeah its not that good" which is wild
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May 22, 2023 11:50
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From a purely market size standpoint, it makes sense to make M+KB obsolete rather than have an elite group that scares off all the other platforms in crossplay. Once those pesky PC users are the same as everyone else, then you can balance the whole population at the same time and the world becomes less complicated.
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May 22, 2023 13:12
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Once we break the kneecaps on those pesky PC elitists we'll finally achieve equality.
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dogstile posted:People will still look at all the pro's doing this and say "yeah its not that good" which is wild
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icantfindaname posted:Is autoaim really a thing in all shooters except CS/Valorant/OW? When did this happen, like in the last 5 years? I am an old person who never touched console online shooters You can blame crossplay for that
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May 22, 2023 15:21
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The ability to put a crosshair on something faster than the other guy is the absolute lamest skill check in shooters. While we're on the subject delete widowmaker
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May 22, 2023 17:11
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PantsBandit posted:The ability to put a crosshair on something faster than the other guy is the absolute lamest skill check in shooters. Agreed, but I also don't want anything moving people's cursor automatically. Somehow that is even worse. Maybe if people had and oversized circle as their crosshair and it was understood in game lore that these futuristic weapons have limited aim assist, I wouldn't object as much (like a smaller soldier ult). The actual player input getting moved automatically is gross. I don't like console gaming anyway, so maybe my opinions are bad.
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May 22, 2023 17:25
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PantsBandit posted:The ability to put a crosshair on something faster than the other guy is the absolute lamest skill check in shooters. This is why tanks exist in OW. That way if you don't have fun with crosshair stuff then you can have fun by bullying crosshair users.
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May 22, 2023 17:26
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dogstile posted:This is why tanks exist in OW. That way if you don't have fun with crosshair stuff then you can have fun by bullying crosshair users. And related to this, Moira is actually a dive tank
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dogstile posted:This is why tanks exist in OW. That way if you don't have fun with crosshair stuff then you can have fun by bullying crosshair users. Tanks in OW2 trade the "center the screen on enemy" skill checks for the rock-paper-scissors skill check instead.
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Way less true than as of last patch, where almost nothing can boot me off of Zarya which is great because Zarya owns.
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In games like counter strike or valorant you’re not really supposed to be twitch aiming to begin with, you’re supposed to be pre-aimed at where the opponent is/will be. It’s not the railgun from quake. Tracer, mccree, the tf2 scout are much more twitch aim git good roles than counter strike
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Oh poo poo, remember the weapon animations they showed off in the OW2 launch trailer? Blizzard also forgot.
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icantfindaname posted:In games like counter strike or valorant you’re not really supposed to be twitch aiming to begin with, you’re supposed to be pre-aimed at where the opponent is/will be. It’s not the railgun from quake. Tracer, mccree, the tf2 scout are much more twitch aim git good roles than counter strike this sounds worse
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I mean that’s very fair. Counter strike does kind of suck if you look at it from a normal person perspective. It’s an acquired taste, let’s call it
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May 22, 2023 18:21
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dogstile posted:There was a reason I stopped playing that lovely game. that's definitely a cherry picked clip, but also it is really bad. Kanos posted:Pretty much, yes. It became very common, if not the industry standard, for controllers to get incredibly heavy aim assist when console/PC crossplay became the norm. tbh i figure autoaim will be standard in almost all games for all input types in a few years because skill-checking stuff behind people having at least hundreds or more often thousands of hours of fps muscle memory really is not good for maximizing your potential playerbase for fps games. plus arguably raw aim mechanics are not the most interesting part of the game relative to all the other things that go into doing well in a game. I'm probably not opposed to giving a very minor bit of aim assist to all input types as a catchup thing for people who just don't have 4000 hours in fps, but the current way things are trending is insane. controller clips these days basically just look like someone using a mild aimbot with no recoil scripts I really, really wish they wouldn't keep going in the direction of heavier auto aim, but I feel like that ship has sailed as far as big fps games go. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 18:34 on May 22, 2023 |
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I think any sort of auto-aim removes a lot of the fun from the genre, and there's plenty of ways to make aiming easier without the game literally aiming for you: bigger hitboxes, making the game be based on splash-damage projectiles instead of strong hitscan, slower movement or having more inertia when changing movement directions, etc (and yes i'm basically describing tf2)
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I saw inertia and remembered Tarkov's inertia patch. People hated it lmao. But to be fair, I dunno how well adding inertia to a faster shooter would pan out. Could be good, could be bungled. That said, there's gonna be people complaining about just about anything that might cause them to re-learn how to play. Even if its either that or auto-aim/aim assist.
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icantfindaname posted:I mean that’s very fair. Counter strike does kind of suck if you look at it from a normal person perspective. It’s an acquired taste, let’s call it Its one of the most popular games. Valorant proves how popular the formula is. And those are the most normals of the normal people out there.
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valorant is regularly in the top 5 for twitch views, even outside of esports game days. it's absurdly popular, and CSGO 2 will probably breathe even more life into the tact shooter genre a large part of this is down to the fact that the shooting model does heavily favour prepositioning and map knowledge moreso than it does reflexes, so even people who have lower mechanical skill can still win gun duels if they can figure out the relatively easy task of stabilizing their aim at head height when rounding a corner. arcade shooters like OW are more mechanically demanding by far, and while that's certainly entertaining for audiences like myself, it's loving unbearably frustrating for a lower skilled player to try and hit a midair genji or a strafing tracer at anything more than, like, 20% accuracy, and that's gonna be a big quit moment for a lot of people
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The loving CS spray patterns is probably the least fun mechanic I've ever encountered.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:that's definitely a cherry picked clip, but also it is really bad. but their games already have a self-balancing mechanism called SBMM! and games with extreme skill disparities are extremely popular! the irony is that they make their game less fun and not more fun by making these types of crippling decisions!
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icantfindaname posted:I mean that’s very fair. Counter strike does kind of suck if you look at it from a normal person perspective. It’s an acquired taste, let’s call it 
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Man, now I'm reminded of the deagle skin I sold some months/year ago. It was a pretty sick skin for a Pink rarity imo  But regardless, maybe I pick this up again. Could use a secondary game between BF2042, Starship Troopers, and Outlast Trials maybe.
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I know this isn’t related to the post you’re making but I’m shocked that TF2 is still in the top 10 at #7. And then football manager being at #10 is a surprise. Guess I forgot how much the rest of the world really, really likes soccer.
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Wow that game with autoaim sure looks successful
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comedyblissoption posted:but their games already have a self-balancing mechanism called SBMM! you have to have a gigantic concurrent population for skill-based matchmaking in a 60 player BR game, so autoaim it is
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widespread posted:But to be fair, I dunno how well adding inertia to a faster shooter would pan out. Could be good, could be bungled.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:that's definitely a cherry picked clip, but also it is really bad. the AA in these games scale proportionally with the speed of the target and yourself edit: example in an actual game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUUG_2_ykAg&t=29s comedyblissoption fucked around with this message at 21:58 on May 22, 2023 |
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buglord posted:I know this isn’t related to the post you’re making but I’m shocked that TF2 is still in the top 10 at #7. And then football manager being at #10 is a surprise. Guess I forgot how much the rest of the world really, really likes soccer. CSGO and TF2 have drop systems that are tied to being online rather than any sort of actual gameplay so you get entire servers of "players" idling for crates. Some farmers are running dozens of alts, and idle servers can make money off MOTD ads with fresh views every ten minutes on the map change. Makes it hard to tell how popular they actually are but it looks good on the stats board.
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urea posted:I think any sort of auto-aim removes a lot of the fun from the genre, and there's plenty of ways to make aiming easier without the game literally aiming for you: bigger hitboxes, making the game be based on splash-damage projectiles instead of strong hitscan, slower movement or having more inertia when changing movement directions, etc (and yes i'm basically describing tf2) Speaking of inertia, what's with OW characters pivoting literally at the feet when strafing quickly? Every character out here doing MJ moves while I'm trying to shoot at them. The REAL Goobusters posted:Its one of the most popular games. Valorant proves how popular the formula is. And those are the most normals of the normal people out there. Fans of the game literally famous for its Rule34: "yeah this is one of the most normal shooters, sigh." You can't make this stuff up.
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petition for anyone who unprompted brings up rule 34 in the overwatch thread to be thrown into the ocean
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comedyblissoption posted:also it's not cherry picked. the tracking is demonstrated like half a dozen times in that twitter thread Good. It's how it should be.
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IronicDongz posted:petition for anyone who unprompted brings up rule 34 in the overwatch thread to be thrown into the ocean
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IronicDongz posted:petition for anyone who unprompted brings up rule 34 in the overwatch thread to be thrown into the ocean What exactly would be the prompt for that? It's a part of the community, whether you like it or not. Hell it has a loving Wikipedia article lmao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overwatch_and_pornography
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MJBuddy posted:Wow that game with autoaim sure looks successful Success doesn't mean good. WoW still has like 2 mil subscribers 
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