Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/intercosmonaut/status/1660084256645828608

Lostech Leopard Factories

Regarde Aduck posted:

does this mean they can't build their potential replacement the KF51 either? Trying to figure out if this was just a half baked plan to force a shift to the new tank or if it's just them having no idea what's going on

Regarde Aduck posted:

does this mean they can't build their potential replacement the KF51 either? Trying to figure out if this was just a half baked plan to force a shift to the new tank or if it's just them having no idea what's going on

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

The KF51 is expo bait. It's not a serious suggestion for a replacement. It's just there to make people give Rheinmetall money.

The vast majority of new stuff that gets announced is never intended for production. You could think of it as a kind of industry propaganda.

Frosted Flake posted:

In the shadowy past of Terra, before the ascension of the Omnissiah and the founding of the sacred Mechanicus, the might of the armaments industry lay not in the hands of sprawling interstellar corporations but within the firm grip of the nation-states themselves. It was a time steeped in mystic lore, when individual nations guided their destinies, mastering the tools of war and industry, not at the behest of disembodied, profit-hungry shareholders, but in service of the state, the populace, and the dire demands of survival and sovereignty.

In the age known as the "Cold War", Western Europe's lands were overseen by nations that held the arcane keys to their own armamentariums. Each nation's war-forges and manufactoria hummed with industrious might, a glorious symphony of strategic machination and national pride. There was no divine machine spirit, no blessed forge worlds guided by the mechanical wisdom of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Instead, mortal men and women, leaders of nations and ministers of state, made the critical decisions that shaped the creation of deadly armaments.

The sanctum of the national industry was a hallowed ground, each country boasting its own formidable arsenals, its own enigmatic methods. This was a time before the age of monolithic multinationals, before the rise of entities such as General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, or BAE. Back then, nations were the masters of their own destiny, guided by an innate sense of strategic necessity rather than the relentless pursuit of profit. This approach, driven by national self-interest, became lost in time, replaced by a colder, impersonal system that serves not the citizens of nations but the silent, insatiable shareholders.

The armaments conjured by these nations were not mere tools but symbols of their sovereignty. Every weapon forged, every tank built, every missile assembled was a testament to the country's survival instinct and industrial might, an emblem of a nation's determination to remain master of its own destiny.

Now, in the Age of the Imperium, we gaze back at this lost epoch with a sense of bewildering wonder. This age of state-controlled armament creation, of national war-forge sovereignty, seems as enigmatic and unreachable as the holy relics of the Dark Age of Technology. In an era of immense interstellar corporations, where profit margins can outweigh the survival of worlds, this past age of state-guided armament production feels like an arcane, mystic world lost to the mists of time.

Frosted Flake posted:

In the shadowy past of Terra, before the ascension of the Omnissiah and the founding of the sacred Mechanicus, the might of the armaments industry lay not in the hands of sprawling interstellar corporations but within the firm grip of the nation-states themselves. It was a time steeped in mystic lore, when individual nations guided their destinies, mastering the tools of war and industry, not at the behest of disembodied, profit-hungry shareholders, but in service of the state, the populace, and the dire demands of survival and sovereignty.

In the age known as the "Cold War", Western Europe's lands were overseen by nations that held the arcane keys to their own armamentariums. Each nation's war-forges and manufactoria hummed with industrious might, a glorious symphony of strategic machination and national pride. There was no divine machine spirit, no blessed forge worlds guided by the mechanical wisdom of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Instead, mortal men and women, leaders of nations and ministers of state, made the critical decisions that shaped the creation of deadly armaments.

The sanctum of the national industry was a hallowed ground, each country boasting its own formidable arsenals, its own enigmatic methods. This was a time before the age of monolithic multinationals, before the rise of entities such as General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, or BAE. Back then, nations were the masters of their own destiny, guided by an innate sense of strategic necessity rather than the relentless pursuit of profit. This approach, driven by national self-interest, became lost in time, replaced by a colder, impersonal system that serves not the citizens of nations but the silent, insatiable shareholders.

The armaments conjured by these nations were not mere tools but symbols of their sovereignty. Every weapon forged, every tank built, every missile assembled was a testament to the country's survival instinct and industrial might, an emblem of a nation's determination to remain master of its own destiny.

Now, in the Age of the Imperium, we gaze back at this lost epoch with a sense of bewildering wonder. This age of state-controlled armament creation, of national war-forge sovereignty, seems as enigmatic and unreachable as the holy relics of the Dark Age of Technology. In an era of immense interstellar corporations, where profit margins can outweigh the survival of worlds, this past age of state-guided armament production feels like an arcane, mystic world lost to the mists of time.

Ardennes posted:

Well, there probably has to be some type of replacement of the Leo 2 at some point, the question is if the KF51 is actually a good one. It has some issues.

Mister Bates posted:

as history has repeatedly shown us, the side that can manufacture and deploy large quantities of good-enough weapons and keep them consistently supplied with ammunition and spare parts will nearly always lose against the side that instead produces very small quantities of extremely expensive bespoke wonder weapons

(lol one of the things they're short of is even literally a German tank, it's like poetry, it rhymes)

Turtle Sandbox posted:

Chinese cheap poo poo military hardware can't compete with artisan bespoke high end elite military hardware.

Someday it will cost a mil and then you will see how good they are!

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1660423908091211776

holy poo poo lmao

Turtle Sandbox posted:

Chinese cheap poo poo military hardware can't compete with artisan bespoke high end elite military hardware.

Someday it will cost a mil and then you will see how good they are!

Iriscoral posted:

gradenko_2000 posted:

The F-37 Kamala

gradenko_2000 posted:

The SSN(X)
The DDG(X)

These are such unimaginative names

Where's the Obama-class nuclear subs

The Trump-class battleships

The Bush-class fleet carriers

Come on, man

The F-37 Kamala

Bar Ran Dun posted:

what is the relative and recent build quality and steel quality in current Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and US shipyards?

I’ll write about that tomorrow.

Bar Ran Dun posted:

what is the relative and recent build quality and steel quality in current Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and US shipyards?

I’ll write about that tomorrow.

Iriscoral posted:

Meanwhile, the PLAN names its surface combatants after provinces (carriers) and cities (destroyers) respectively. Fun fact; if the city name gets chosen by the PLAN, the city government actually has to do some public outreach program for the PLAN wrt to the ship itself.

Bar Ran Dun posted:

for a sense of comparison…

MSC ordered five containerships back in 2019 for 762 million. a new normal sized containership is 150-250 million depending on specifics built in an Asian yard. A recent big Evergreen ship 24,000 teu plus built in China half a billion to 550 million.

Three new Matson vessels (the aloha class ships) 4,000 teu each will be a billion together.

I guess what I’m saying is it’s about 50% to 100% more at a US yard.

Iriscoral posted:

Oh boy, just for fun lemme show some comparisons

the SSN(X) (Seawolf/Virginia-Class replacement) costs 7.2 billion USD and the new Columbia-Class costs a whopping 9 billion per boat.