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Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.
Do global entry. You can do your interview when you return from overseas through customs in a lot of major airports.

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
Yeah you should get GE if you are considering precheck.

And lol at the dude up there thinking insane security lines are a uniquely American phenomenon. Other countries just don’t let you pay to skip em.

Chainclaw
Feb 14, 2009

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Yeah you should get GE if you are considering precheck.

And lol at the dude up there thinking insane security lines are a uniquely American phenomenon. Other countries just don’t let you pay to skip em.

Most airports I've flown out of Europe are setup like the US, but one of them, I forget where (maybe , had the security lines at each gate separately. This was great because it meant you could show up shortly before the time posted on the flight and get on, you didn't have to account for a random length security line because once you were in the security line you were getting on the flight.

When trying to look up which airport it was and I found other countries sell the equivalent of precheck/clear. The Netherlands has Privium.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
I though they killed that off because no one was using it.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
This is probably worse than EVE.

On the Manifold prediction market you don't bet with real money, just play money. I don't see the point of this, because if people aren't using real money they're not as likely to make honest predictions, but anyway, people do it. And there's a lot of silly markets people create, so it's betting on fake poo poo with fake money which seems doubly useless. You can use your real money to buy fake money, but there's no reason to do so because you can't turn the fake money back into real money. And I don't mean it's like a cryptocoin that's theoretically convertible but will get stolen from the exchange who holds it before you can find someone to give you cash for it, I mean it's strictly a play money. Like you can buy more copies of the Monopoly board game to get Monopoly money but nobody's ever going to pay you for your Monopoly money and it's worthless in any other context than Monopoly.

Anyway, this guy created a betting market he called "Whales vs. Minnows." The question to be answered was "At some particular point of time, will traders hold at least 10,000 times as many YES shares as there are traders holding NO shares?"

https://manifold.markets/IsaacKing/will-the-whales-win-this-market

So all kinds of ways to cheat. If you want the NO position to win, you can try to recruit a lot of new participants to just buy a single NO share and wait to win. But if you're of the YES position you just buy a lot of YES shares with your fake money.

The people with NO positions did just that, even to the extent of paying people in real money to join in. And then people holding YES, specifically the guy who started the market in the first place, started using real money to but more fake money to buy more YES shares so he could win this dumb bet that he started with his fake money. He spent 29,000 real dollars doing this.

And he didn't even win his dumb bet.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

.....the government selling a shortcut to a process they have mismanaged rubs me the wrong way.

Big time (I did buckle and get global entry though).

Last time I did the interview, the guy next to me got questioned about his assault conviction. I figured a loving angry felon was exactly who should not be getting a fast pass through security. But nah, they just got the quick "I see you have xxx" and were rubber stamped through, just like everyone else. Because it really is all about collecting the money.

Baddog fucked around with this message at 17:41 on May 23, 2023

ranbo das
Oct 16, 2013


On one hand I do think the European airport security is a much better experience than the US security, in the other hand I accidently brought a 3" knife on a flight from Belgium because i forgot it was on my carryon.

In summary it takes all kinds.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



You can make a decent argument that edged weapons aren't really high threat. Cockpit doors are locked and crew and passengers alike will now line up to beat the poo poo out of anyone who starts getting stabby so the 2001 stunt would only ever work once.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

ranbo das posted:

On one hand I do think the European airport security is a much better experience than the US security, in the other hand I accidently brought a 3" knife on a flight from Belgium because i forgot it was on my carryon.

In summary it takes all kinds.

Spoiler: a 3 inch knife isn’t a threat to an airplane at all in a post-locking-cabin-doors world.

I mean I get the air crew not wanting to deal with the possibility of a drunk passenger pulling a shiv on them, but no one is going to do another 9/11 with a machete, much less a pocket knife.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Midjack posted:

You can make a decent argument that edged weapons aren't really high threat. Cockpit doors are locked and crew and passengers alike will now line up to beat the poo poo out of anyone who starts getting stabby so the 2001 stunt would only ever work once.

yeah but you can't really make a decent argument that someone who misses a three-inch knife on the scanner is catching the more subtle but more dangerous stuff

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

poo poo even in some bizarro crazy edge case where literally every passenger was ISIS and they all had knives I don’t think they could get through the cabin door.

It would just be two very freaked out pilots looking for a nearby airfield to land at ASAP.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Spoiler: a 3 inch knife isn’t a threat to an airplane at all in a post-locking-cabin-doors world.

I mean I get the air crew not wanting to deal with the possibility of a drunk passenger pulling a shiv on them,

They still hand out steak knives in first class.

We still have to take our shoes off because one FAS-haver tried and failed to light his shoes on fire over 20 years ago.

Cyrano4747 posted:

It would just be two very freaked out pilots looking for a nearby airfield to land at ASAP.

Also flying as many aerobatics as a commercial airliner can handle.

Brain Curry
Feb 15, 2007

People think that I'm lazy
People think that I'm this fool because
I give a fuck about the government
I didn't graduate from high school



Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

In which OP thinks his $415 per month car payment is too expensive and searches out a cheaper solution.

The cheaper solution? Rolling over the negative equity from his car and spending over $1,000 per month on a new Lexus.

My man went out to find a way to save money on his $415 monthly car payment and ended up getting a new car with payments that are almost 1/3 of his annual post-tax income per year and costs over 100% of his annual gross income.

This is probably the most BWM car purchase (in terms of original goal and result) I have seen that doesn't involve a 20+% interest rate.

Also, upon realizing this may be a bad decision, his first instinct is to... try and trade the car in to roll it into another new car loan.

The dealership offered him such good warranties and gap insurance that he would have been losing money if he didn't buy the car!

Well, he doesn't know what gap insurance is exactly. But, it was so cheap that he had to be getting a great deal.

Some commenters have some good advice for him: Just double your income... and then buy another new car.

He takes full responsibility for this, but also Jerome Powell made him do it.

He is also very savy and the interest rate was only 5%, so how was he supposed to know that paying 100% of your annual gross income for a car in order to save money from your $415/month car payment is not a good idea? Actually, in some ways, didn't he actually get a great deal for the time we live in and did nothing wrong?

He was trying to save money by... looking at people who buy $90k cars on a $40k salary and doing better than that.

Other commenters remind him that it isn't really $60k of debt because you didn't take out a loan then ceremonially burn the money.

OP considers ways to help pay for the car and decides on... doing ride share.



He briefly considered paying $30k for a brand new Toyota instead, but "sporty reliability" was one of his red lines and therefore he had to get the Lexus.

OP's other option is maybe try to put that great gap insurance to use with some mild insurance fraud?

I like him tagging /calebhammer

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!

ranbo das posted:

On one hand I do think the European airport security is a much better experience than the US security, in the other hand I accidently brought a 3" knife on a flight from Belgium because i forgot it was on my carryon.

In summary it takes all kinds.

I was sitting at the gate in a US airport, and a woman across from me pulls out her sewing kit. As she's rummaging around in there she realizes she forgot a 3-4" folding knife, she turns to her friend and they both laugh about the oopsie.

So it's not like the extra hassle is getting us anything anyway.

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


Midjack posted:

You can make a decent argument that edged weapons aren't really high threat. Cockpit doors are locked and crew and passengers alike will now line up to beat the poo poo out of anyone who starts getting stabby so the 2001 stunt would only ever work once.

I'm reminded of that photo of the shoe bomber guy that were taken when the FBI picked him up from the airport, and it was clear that he'd experienced a significant rear end-whoopin'.

Also, while looking for that photo, I was kinda shocked to be reminded that the shoe-bombing thing happened in freaking December of 2001. For some reason I thought it was a year or so after 9/11. I wonder if the shoe ban would have happened if the attempted bombing had been later.

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


Brain Curry posted:

I like him tagging /calebhammer

Caleb Hammer salivating at the idea of people volunteering to go on his show for free instead of having to pay them (and having to pay for advertising to try and get people to come on his show)...

LanceHunter posted:

Oh hey, found a "casting call" ad out in the wild on FB for occasional thread topic Caleb Hammer...



He's doing all this through a loving Google Form.

$50 sounds like an extremely bad deal in exchange for getting publicly shamed by wanna-be Dave Ramsey.

Machai
Feb 21, 2013

SpartanIvy posted:

In actuality, people with lots of disposable income tend to not be murderers because it's easier to not be miserable when you're rich.

This is incorrect. Rich people are often quite miserable.

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007
Hair Elf

Machai posted:

This is incorrect. Rich people are often quite miserable.

Everyone is quite miserable. Rich people get miserable about not being as rich as their neighbors. Poor people are miserable about not being able to afford rent and food.

It's easier to not be miserable when you're rich.

AceClown
Sep 11, 2005

been said before, but there's a wealth to happiness ratio and it kinda starts levelling out around the point where your basic needs are met, you have a little safety nest egg and you generally don't need to check your bank account to go for a few beers and some food.

after that it flattens out and really your average millionaire isn't considerably happier than a couple of DINKy middle managers at tech-co

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


SpartanIvy posted:

Everyone is quite miserable. Rich people get miserable about not being as rich as their neighbors. Poor people are miserable about not being able to afford rent and food.

It's easier to not be miserable when you're rich.

On the one hand, the hedonic treadmill is very real, and there is no material situation one might find themselves in that will result in permanent satisfaction. But the ability to not be miserable is separate skill and it is entirely achievable for many people.

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

AceClown posted:

your average millionaire isn't considerably happier than a couple of DINKy middle managers at tech-co

if those dinks aren’t millionaires they are loving up bigly

but yes your point is still correct

money isn’t everything, but not having it is

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Mo money mo problems. Biggie answered this year's ago

LostCosmonaut
Feb 15, 2014

Phanatic posted:



Also flying as many aerobatics as a commercial airliner can handle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQRb7VT3q2g

AmiYumi
Oct 10, 2005

I FORGOT TO HAIL KING TORG

SpartanIvy posted:

So you're agreeing with me then? People with money may be sociopaths but they tend not to express it as murder.
Not getting caught/having the money and connections to make the problem go away or get off on a technicality are confounding factors here, which make this a problem we literally don’t have stats on. Maybe they are satisfied hurting people in other ways afforded to them by their status, maybe that’s not enough and they take the Epstein plane to a private island and kill trafficked child slaves and all the evidence is cleaned up.

buffalo all day posted:

I love having my priors confirmed as much as the next guy but feels like a [citation needed] situation here
This is admittedly coming off of memories of studies read over years and years; good starting points from what I remember of them would be The Psychopath Test or Snakes in Suits.

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


AmiYumi posted:

Not getting caught/having the money and connections to make the problem go away or get off on a technicality are confounding factors here, which make this a problem we literally don’t have stats on. Maybe they are satisfied hurting people in other ways afforded to them by their status, maybe that’s not enough and they take the Epstein plane to a private island and kill trafficked child slaves and all the evidence is cleaned up.

Okay, you had some points there originally but then you kinda veered off into (((lizard people))) territory at the end. We know what happened on Epstein's island and while it was extremely gross, wildly immoral, and completely criminal, it wasn't something out of the movie Hostel.

nomad2020
Jan 30, 2007

Chainclaw posted:

Costco used to sell annual passes to jets

https://www.stratosjets.com/blog/costco-private-jet-memberships-buyer-beware/

I have no idea if those annual pass plans to jets are good or bad with money. Like if you're spending ~$5,000 to $20,000 a year for a jet membership and then paying other fees on that, that's just so outside my financial comfort zone and knowledge base I can't tell if it's saving the people who use it money or what.

That definitely sounds like the kind of luxury I would love, semi-private flying, no lengthy TSA lines, etc, but there's no way in hell I could ever afford or justify it.

Paying 20,000 a year to not own a jet is fantastically GWM compared to buying one.

AmiYumi
Oct 10, 2005

I FORGOT TO HAIL KING TORG

LanceHunter posted:

(((lizard people)))
It’s pretty clear that continuing this derail would be BWM and BWL, so consider it dropped

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Baddog posted:

Big time (I did buckle and get global entry though).

Last time I did the interview, the guy next to me got questioned about his assault conviction. I figured a loving angry felon was exactly who should not be getting a fast pass through security. But nah, they just got the quick "I see you have xxx" and were rubber stamped through, just like everyone else. Because it really is all about collecting the money.

I was waiting for a traveling companion to finish his interview, and this dude walks up to the office and is being really lovely to the officer escorting him, and he's saying "I don't know why it didn't go through, it worked fine last time!" The officer asked him if he'd had any legal problems since the last time, and he said "just a DUI!"

Dude deserved to get decked.

Cerekk
Sep 24, 2004

Oh my god, JC!

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

I was sitting at the gate in a US airport, and a woman across from me pulls out her sewing kit. As she's rummaging around in there she realizes she forgot a 3-4" folding knife, she turns to her friend and they both laugh about the oopsie.

So it's not like the extra hassle is getting us anything anyway.

The TSA confiscated 6,542 guns at airport security checkpoints in 2022. They miss stuff but they don't do nothing.

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer
I'm baffled that attempting to take a gun through airport security is not a megafelony

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Cerekk posted:

The TSA confiscated 6,542 guns at airport security checkpoints in 2022. They miss stuff but they don't do nothing.

Nah, they do nothing. Literally zero of the people carrying 6542 guns were going to use them to hijack the plane.

cum jabbar posted:

I'm baffled that attempting to take a gun through airport security is not a megafelony

There's a potential 10 year penalty for it but to secure a felony conviction generally establishing intent, and mens rea is a really important legal principle.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK
Wait wait wait. The US doesn't let you take your guns on the plane?! What kind of despotic commie tyranny is that? What happens if there's a bad guy on the plane?

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Chainclaw posted:

The only problem is getting an appointment for Nexus, it's a ~2 hour drive to the appointment location and they're nearly impossible to book, they fill up the day they become available months in advance.

There's an iOS app, Global Interview, that pings the TSA servers and pushes an alert to you if times open up at your preferred interview site, which they do with some regularity as people cancel or reschedule. (I'm not sure if it's your phone doing the scanning or their server but either way I assume it's not a lot of data usage.)

I think it's $5 but arguably GWM/GWL to avoid f5'ing the TSA's website in vain hopes of finding a time on your own. I'm sure there's similar for Android as well.

honda whisperer
Mar 29, 2009

Weatherman posted:

Wait wait wait. The US doesn't let you take your guns on the plane?! What kind of despotic commie tyranny is that? What happens if there's a bad guy on the plane?

You can take guns on a plane in America, they just have to be checked not carryon.

Switchback
Jul 23, 2001

AceClown posted:

been said before, but there's a wealth to happiness ratio and it kinda starts levelling out around the point where your basic needs are met, you have a little safety nest egg and you generally don't need to check your bank account to go for a few beers and some food.

after that it flattens out and really your average millionaire isn't considerably happier than a couple of DINKy middle managers at tech-co

Oh oh one of my favorite themes: the disproven 2010 study that said that happiness doesn’t increase after a certain income level!

There was a study that measures peoples “happiness” that found that yes, after like $70k (in 2010 dollars), how much “happiness” felt day to day leveled off. However, when asked how satisfied people were with their life, that never leveled off, it just kept increasing with $$$$. More money equaled more life satisfaction. This idea that more moneyed people aren’t happier is nice to dream about when you don’t make a lot, but the truth is more money makes life better in SO many ways. So many problems can, in fact, be solved by throwing money at them! Also happiness is a temporary, fleeting feeling that comes and goes and is not a sufficient benchmark for your life. People will always feel times of stress, sorrow, anxiety, anger, etc and that doesn’t negate the overall picture of whether someone is content in their life. “Happy” is a dumb metric.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2021/02/07/new-study-shows-that-more-money-buys-more-happiness/amp/

quote:

2010 study: money doesn’t buy happiness after $75,000

In 2010, psychologist Daniel Kahneman and economist Angus Deaton (who both won the Nobel prize in Economics) undertook research to ascertain if money played a part in two aspects of people’s emotional lives. Firstly, the everyday quality of daily life, the joy, stress, sadness, anger, and affection that make one's life pleasant or unpleasant. And secondly, life evaluation–the thoughts that people have when they think about their lives.

The study found that money did have an impact for how people evaluate their lives when they think about it; that people with more money feel better about their lives. However, emotional well-being rose with income, as expected too, but only to an annual salary of $75,000 ($90,000 in today’s money). Beyond that, people were no happier with higher salaries. The seminal study concluded that whilst “low income is associated both with low life evaluation and low emotional well-being”, ironically, “high income buys life satisfaction but not happiness.”

2021 study: money improves well-being, even after $80,000

The conclusion to Killingsworth’s research has just been published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. By tracking reported happiness in relation to reported income, the study found that–like the 2010 research–both life satisfaction and experienced well-being increased with income. However, unlike the 2010 research, well-being continued to increase as steeply past an annual income of $80,000 as it did below it. The conclusion therefore, is “that higher incomes may still have potential to improve people’s day-to-day well-being, rather than having already reached a plateau for many people in wealthy countries”

Switchback
Jul 23, 2001

I’ve flown through a lot of airports and the only place worse than the USA is Moscow

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?
I get the feeling that “season tickets to the Jets” is just another signifier these people like to display to show how they’re both rich enough to afford season tickets for a pro sports team but also quirky enough that they feel it further illustrates just how interesting they are. You can almost imagine them writing their memoirs, wistful smiles on their faces, working in how devoted they were to their “beloved Jets”, a real underdog of a team… just like them, if you think about it

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
it is possible for people to actually like a thing. even if that thing is the jets.

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?
Yes I know. My grandmother who lived in Orange County NY was a diehard fan. But that wasn’t the point I was making. The fact that the tickets were listed as an accessory to their vision of their perfect lifestyle along side the multimillion dollar brownstone, extended exotic vacations, and private school for their kids struck me as very deliberate in a specific way

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powderific
May 13, 2004

Grimey Drawer
When you ask someone about their dreams for the future and set it up as "what would a nice life look like" I feel you're gonna get random nice to haves thrown in. eg Tarek's dream of a habitrail system of tubes for a cat.

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