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The way I envision them adding foreign investment is that you will have the ability to build stuff in the land of any country that is either in your customs union or you have a trade agreement with. (or maybe if you are both free trade?) Your pops should be given ownership of the building somehow (which is probably the trickiest part to implement), but the labor should come from the province you build the building in. If this is restricted to customs unions only, then the question of where the produced goods go or the consumed goods come from is easily answered, but it's a little bit trickier if this feature gets extended to countries outside your customs union. If you have a trade agreement, then I guess it's okay to just let all consumption and production be local to the country being invested in, and you make the investor set up trade routes to take advantage of that production if they want. It will be tricky balancing this with the potential for foreign investors to royally gently caress with a country's economy. But I guess that's kind of historical, so... That's the simple version of what I want to see. The more complex version would involve a total economy overhaul with an implementation of companies as discrete entities, modeling the rise of global capitalism with large corporations (or state-owned/colonial enterprises?) expanding internationally if given the freedom to do so. But that is a much, much bigger ask than a simple foreign investment system. Fister Roboto posted:Haha, they made the Corn Laws trick a little harder to pull off. Now you also need to have the price of grain at least 25% above average. You also only get a market liberal landowner agitator instead of IG leader, which is a huge nerf.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The way I envision them adding foreign investment is that you will have the ability to build stuff in the land of any country that is either in your customs union or you have a trade agreement with. (or maybe if you are both free trade?) Your pops should be given ownership of the building somehow (which is probably the trickiest part to implement), but the labor should come from the province you build the building in. If this is restricted to customs unions only, then the question of where the produced goods go or the consumed goods come from is easily answered, but it's a little bit trickier if this feature gets extended to countries outside your customs union. If you have a trade agreement, then I guess it's okay to just let all consumption and production be local to the country being invested in, and you make the investor set up trade routes to take advantage of that production if they want. It will be tricky balancing this with the potential for foreign investors to royally gently caress with a country's economy. But I guess that's kind of historical, so... Another way to do it would be to use the new private production queue system and let other countries or their pops invest into the private queue and get a share of the result. Almost like a stock market. With diplomatic effects for countries where a greater share of the building is from foreign investment.
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May 22, 2023 23:59
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Haven't played yet but did they change the springtime of the peoples event? I heard they were retooling it to check agitators instead of leaders but I didn't see it in the notes
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The way I envision them adding foreign investment is that you will have the ability to build stuff in the land of any country that is either in your customs union or you have a trade agreement with. (or maybe if you are both free trade?) Your pops should be given ownership of the building somehow (which is probably the trickiest part to implement), but the labor should come from the province you build the building in. If this is restricted to customs unions only, then the question of where the produced goods go or the consumed goods come from is easily answered, but it's a little bit trickier if this feature gets extended to countries outside your customs union. If you have a trade agreement, then I guess it's okay to just let all consumption and production be local to the country being invested in, and you make the investor set up trade routes to take advantage of that production if they want. It will be tricky balancing this with the potential for foreign investors to royally gently caress with a country's economy. But I guess that's kind of historical, so... Yeah having Corporations/NGOs as distinct entities would be great, Stanford Oil in particular here, and then of course Krupp, Ford, etc; as being a further extensions on the idea earlier a couple of pages ago of having IGs prodding you into Imperialism or actions that might cause either geopolitical or domestic political tensions. Cantorsdust posted:Another way to do it would be to use the new private production queue system and let other countries or their pops invest into the private queue and get a share of the result. Almost like a stock market. With diplomatic effects for countries where a greater share of the building is from foreign investment. Yeah kinda like how going bankrupt in V2 gave CBs. But also maybe a bad gamble results in something like a stock market crash and massive radicalism?
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May 23, 2023 00:14
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:You also only get a market liberal landowner agitator instead of IG leader, which is a huge nerf. Oof. I never even got it to fire in my Sikh Empire game because I produce so much grain. TBF it was a really cheesy trick and I'm not surprised by this at all.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Yeah kinda like how going bankrupt in V2 gave CBs. But also maybe a bad gamble results in something like a stock market crash and massive radicalism? Or if a communist revolution results in seizing all foreign-owned properties, giving a CB to all foreign investors. It would also give a capitalist player a reason to prevent the spread of communism internationally. And vice versa a communist player might want to spread communism internationally to break capitalist profits.
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Is it worth colonizing africa as a middling south america country that isn't brazil?
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Asproigerosis posted:Is it worth colonizing africa as a middling south america country that isn't brazil? But large scale colonization probably isn't super helpful if you don't have the spare construction capacity to develop the plantations and mines enough to have it make a difference to your market.
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Deltasquid posted:Like, day 1 you get a few re: Algeria and the monarchist houses well poo poo, guess i gotta restart e: a middling south american country should probably consider grabbing Niger or Colonizable Indonesia or invadable Borneo, but realistically speaking, you're going to get at least as much mileage out of grabbing the rest of south and central america Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 04:25 on May 23, 2023 |
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May 23, 2023 04:08
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frankly, if there's a priority target for a south american country, it's probably a major opium producer - everything else is right there on your continent, in your cultural group, and with the exception of brazil and mexico very squishy
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Sweet, the first expac is going to fix my biggest problems. Pretty far off, though.
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I'm reading David McCullough's book about the building of the Panama Canal and it does make it clear that there's an opportunity to make the in-game canal more mechanically involved.
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Hellioning posted:Sweet, the first expac is going to fix my biggest problems. It's a remarkably unambitious approach to development, considering the mixed reception V3 has received.
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Lmao the landowners owned themselves I was trying out France with the new dlc, got an opportunity to pass Homesteading with a grassroots pop movement supported by the rural folk - and since I'm all "gently caress the landowners", jumped on the chance. This is super early game, when you still have the landowners+church+armed forces+industrialist all in government. Took around forever to actually go anywhere with the law enactment, so the landowners had all the time to start fuming about it and start a would-be revolution. Only, the fact that they went all pissy and started a revolutionary faction means they had to leave government; cue me immediately suppressing their stupid rear end - good thing I didn't get around to removing Censorship yet! - making their movement literally unable to finish up the revolution (from a 130 critical radicalism they went to like 60). While this was happening, the law enactment got stalled due to illegitimate government but luckily elections came along soon after, and the intelligentsia+rural folk+industrialist(thanks for switching sides btw!) party got a majority vote and was quickly put in power, the law got passed and bye bye landowners. They're still pissy and still kinda strong (like 18% clout?) but I got my foot in the door and they're going to get screwed over now, especially since they don't have the +25% from tenant farmers anymore. They still managed to make me pass Laissez Faire before getting ousted, but that doesn't seem too bad. My investment pool is pretty gigantic now and as France making more construction sectors so you can actually build a reasonable amount of what you want rather than just what the AI wants isn't an issue at all TorakFade fucked around with this message at 08:00 on May 23, 2023 |
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I don't understand why my trade union opposes the right to assembly...
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Asproigerosis posted:I don't understand why my trade union opposes the right to assembly... Edit: Or their leader is patriarchal or patriotic? I don't know if trade unions can have a leader like that, but that would reverse their preference of free speech laws. Edit2: Wait, "Fascist" is the only leader trait that'd reverse free speech preference. Is your trade union fascist? Eiba fucked around with this message at 13:30 on May 23, 2023 |
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May 23, 2023 13:18
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this is our trade union leader Blut Boden
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Asproigerosis posted:I don't understand why my trade union opposes the right to assembly... lol
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Pshaw, typical vanguardists
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It’s a police union
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Only 16 years to abolish industry, dang it US, be more luddite.
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The leader was authoritarian which wants more censorship and less free speech. I guess he was part of the national socialist trade union school of thought. Playing brazil, should I annex my puppet columbia or just leave them as an income nub?
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So anyone played a full game with the new patch? Does it feel different enough? I was thinking of doing a Prussia run
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The diplomatic AI seems more aggressive and willing to join in plays. Started a MP game as Austria and GB day 1 invaded and puppeted Sardinia. Then repeated hell wars in both the MP and SP Sweden game I had today.
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I'm nearing the end of an obligatory France game, and I can definitely agree with that assessment--if you try to make any waves in Europe, even to the extent of the natural borders journal you will be fighting several European wars, and I've had a hearty back-and-forth with perfidious Albion as they jump in to support colonial rebellions on truce cooldown. (The AI doing so is something that probably makes it easier to powergame, though; every time they try you can peel off a state or two.) Bad boy points seem to be working a lot more reasonably/probably-as-intended where 100 is "you're sure to attract a coalition" and 50s or 60s is "you might attract a coalition or have an ally nope out". No more of the "go over 100 and every other GP will just line up to take shots at you one-by-one". On the other hand, they're still a bit reluctant to really be energetic, I "lost" my war to eat Flanders and Wallonia but still got them because Belgium capitulated early, and my cost for my own capitulation was puppeted Dai Nam getting two laws of the US's choice. Agitators makes endgame law-tidying a lot easier for leftist playthroughs, you can reach out and find a feminist and install them as head of the intelligentsia or rural folk and get your Women's Suffrage that way rather than having the socialism/feminism event chains overwrite each other. Mandoric fucked around with this message at 00:01 on May 24, 2023 |
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german unification triggers  still don't know what caused a random-rear end little war between Hanover and Hamburg, where I stepped in and then Prussia stepped in but didn't get any wargoals, to make germany, but that was that for that france run
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I just thought this was funny. I'm playing as an atheist technocratic monarchist Spain and I've empowered the intelligentsia and industrialists so much that the landowners are now siding with the trade unions in demanding voting. Fear not, I won't let the rabble stand in the way of the Queen of Spain leading humanity into a scientifically calculated future. (Also I laughed out loud when the achievement popped for going state atheism.)
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so steam has this dlc at mostly negative. is it steam users just being steam users?
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Isn't the DLC basically just an event pack for the French, with everything of real substance in the patch itself
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buglord posted:so steam has this dlc at mostly negative. is it steam users just being steam users? The DLC is overpriced in terms of value for money and some of the paid content is somewhat basic as well so it makes sense. If I'd paid for the Grand Edition and got this as a DLC "valued" at $15 I'd be pissed off. Not the say that the content itself is bad but it doesn't feel like a good buy
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It does suffer from being devoted to a nation I never ever want to play due to its preeminent starting position.
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RabidWeasel posted:The DLC is overpriced in terms of value for money and some of the paid content is somewhat basic as well so it makes sense. If I'd paid for the Grand Edition and got this as a DLC "valued" at $15 I'd be pissed off. I feel like they can't really win with this one. If they lock the most anticipated features behind the DLC then people get upset about needing to buy the DLC to get the most out of the game, and if they don't then people just feel like the DLC isn't worth the money and get upset about that instead. That said, I agree that it is really expensive for what it offers and definitely not a good buy if you don't like playing as France.
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So if I'm fighting a multi year slog of a political battle to pass a law for an interest group in government, they probably shouldn't demand I pass a completely different and much less important law at the same time. The government petition thing should only fire when an IG is feeling neglected, not as a thing that undermines their other goals I'm already working on.buglord posted:so steam has this dlc at mostly negative. is it steam users just being steam users? The free patch is pretty exciting though. It's a good update. But the flavor pack is just a flavor pack.
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I started a game as France and decided to go Bonapartist, swayed the leader of the Military Forces and then just watched as the bar filled up without so much as an event on the power struggle or anything relating to it, leading to the lesser Napoleon getting installed without so much as a reaction. Is this in line with everyone else's experience?
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The beauty of history and politics is that for every unintuitive in-game edge case, something as stupid or stupider has absolutely happened in real life. Quick question while I wait for the performance issues update that's allegedly coming - is it better to build industry top down, by building factories and importing materials, or bottom up, by developing the mines etc first?
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The DLC probably would have been received a lot more positively if it were a flavour pack for the Francosphere (eg France, Belgium, Switzerland, Haiti, maybe even independent Quebec) with of course the main draw being France. At least it would have provided a few unique playthroughs with smaller nations as well.
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Countzer posted:I started a game as France and decided to go Bonapartist, swayed the leader of the Military Forces and then just watched as the bar filled up without so much as an event on the power struggle or anything relating to it, leading to the lesser Napoleon getting installed without so much as a reaction. Is this in line with everyone else's experience? Yep, was exactly the same for me.
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Somehow the patch killed performance on my 2016 MacBook Pro to a point where I can‘t play past the 1850s.
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AG3 posted:I feel like they can't really win with this one. If they lock the most anticipated features behind the DLC then people get upset about needing to buy the DLC to get the most out of the game, and if they don't then people just feel like the DLC isn't worth the money and get upset about that instead. That said, I agree that it is really expensive for what it offers and definitely not a good buy if you don't like playing as France. I totally agree with this, I think they needed to just make the DLC part bigger by adding more countries, but they probably didn't want to spend any more time on it I guess
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It feels similar to first CK3 immersion pack to me. It was about Vikings and it felt extremely strange to me cause Vikings already had more unique stuff than anyone in the game, and a lot of recommended characters are Vikings with tuned situation. France is even worse and stranger. Maybe when the game has complex diplomacy you'll have a fun time with majors, but for now I feel Victoria 3 is all about becoming major, and when you are one it's all straightforward and boring unless you set up very ambitious goals - and this DLC doesn't have those ambitious goals I understand, it's like annexing Spain and Algeria.
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