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Jerusalem posted:Out of curiosity have you read Homicide and The Corner? It's cool seeing the inspiration for a ton of characters and events from The Wire of course, but they're also incredibly well-written books in their own right. Neither, no. I've watched some of The Corner but god drat is it depressing.
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I've only read homicide and seen the corner on HBO, but yeah with homicide at least, you can really see the DNA for a lot of the scenes and characters from the wire in it (sometimes literally; I think the "when it was time for you to gently caress me, you were gentle" "well i knew it was your first time" scene with bunk and jimmy is borrowed from a real conversation he heard two cops have that he mentions in the book)
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Ainsley McTree posted:I've only read homicide and seen the corner on HBO, but yeah with homicide at least, you can really see the DNA for a lot of the scenes and characters from the wire in it (sometimes literally; I think the "when it was time for you to gently caress me, you were gentle" "well i knew it was your first time" scene with bunk and jimmy is borrowed from a real conversation he heard two cops have that he mentions in the book) The bit with Ed Norris in the show tricking a suspect into thinking a photocopier is a lie detector machine was straight from the book too if I remember right. Might not have literally been Norris but it was one of the homicide guys. E: on reflection of course couldn’t have been Norris himself since he came up through the NYPD, not BPD. Pirate Radar fucked around with this message at 16:26 on May 24, 2023 |
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Pirate Radar posted:The bit with Ed Norris in the show tricking a suspect into thinking a photocopier is a lie detector machine was straight from the book too if I remember right. Might not have literally been Norris but it was one of the homicide guys. The same scene was used in Homicide Life on the Street as well. It's was always so funny to me to see Ed Norris on the show since I first knew him after he took charge of the Maryland State Police and was then forced out due to... well... criminal indictments from his time in the NYPD.
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What the actual gently caress. Not only was Norris played by himself but:quote:Norris, a 20-year veteran of the New York Police Department, served as Police Commissioner for Baltimore from 2000 to late 2002 and Superintendent of the Maryland State Police in 2003. Norris played the eponymous detective Edward Norris in HBO's The Wire. In 2003, Norris was convicted of a felony and spent six months in federal prison. Is there a book or something that goes over all the actors and their backgrounds? I thought I knew about most of the interesting ones but now you tell me Norris was the commissioner? I'm floored.
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May 25, 2023 13:50
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Colicchio is a Marine I think, and obviously turns up in Gen Kill.
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May 25, 2023 14:00
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I followed Jamie Hector on Twitter for a while and it was so jarring to see what a bright, sunny guy he was. He’d tweet every morning something like “rise and shine! Have a glorious day everyone! We can do it!” lol
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Count Roland posted:What the actual gently caress. Not only was Norris played by himself but: Iirc Norris was even taken out by the "head shot" they threatened Clay Davis with (disguising loans from family members to buy a house)
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Jewmanji posted:I followed Jamie Hector on Twitter for a while and it was so jarring to see what a bright, sunny guy he was. He’d tweet every morning something like “rise and shine! Have a glorious day everyone! We can do it!” lol There’s an Anthony bourdain episode with Michael k Williams in it and they run into Jamie hector on camera in (what appears to be anyway) a complete coincidence at a restaurant. Seems like a friendly guy yeah. Also I just made myself sad realizing that 2/3 of that scene is now dead
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Oh, that photocopier scene. When Bunk calls Landsman, "Professor." 
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May 25, 2023 18:18
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deoju posted:Oh, that photocopier scene. the "what are they doing....?" thought to "ohhhhh.......OMFG" moment for me was pretty great.
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The McDonalds ploy they use is also great. Making sure the guy has stuffed his mouth with chips as he walks by the other interrogation room and his partner's all,"WHAT THE gently caress!?!?!" 
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Some more behind the scenes https://twitter.com/Ziggys_Duck/status/1661730336605364225?t=mtoO4JeaKhf1UJY3GjDWxw&s=19 Bubbles story https://twitter.com/Ziggys_Duck/status/1661703331172032514?s=19
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algebra testes posted:Colicchio is a Marine I think, and obviously turns up in Gen Kill. IIRC, he was last seen in Ukraine helping prep volunteers.
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tuning in for my daily episode of All Things Considered as I casually transport drug dealing minors across state lines
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gently caress S4 is so depressing. Probably 9 out of 10 people end up in a worse spot than at the start of the season.
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Bird in a Blender posted:gently caress S4 is so depressing. Probably 9 out of 10 people end up in a worse spot than at the start of the season. I love George Pelecanos, and "you got my back Sgt Carver?" Is a highpoint in an already packed season.
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Ok I started S5 and the journalism stuff doesn’t even bother me, but the Jimmy serial killer stuff just seems so out of left field.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Ok I started S5 and the journalism stuff doesn’t even bother me, but the Jimmy serial killer stuff just seems so out of left field.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Ok I started S5 and the journalism stuff doesn’t even bother me, but the Jimmy serial killer stuff just seems so out of left field. The only unrealistic thing about the Jimmy serial killer plot is that he's using the extra money for actual police work. Other than that, I don't think it's worse than Bunny doing Hamsterdam.
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If you think The Wire Season 5 is unrealistic, just watch We Own This City directly after for some perspective.
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Orange Devil posted:If you think The Wire Season 5 is unrealistic, just watch We Own This City directly after for some perspective. This. Or if they had ever made a season depicting the police running torture black sites people would be like…. Okkkk Simon a little on the nose with the Iraq allegories….
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Jewmanji posted:This. Or if they had ever made a season depicting the police running torture black sites people would be like…. Okkkk Simon a little on the nose with the Iraq allegories…. Could just be an adaptation of the Chicago PD sites where they tortured people.
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That’s what I was getting at
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The real life BPD actually utilized 6 black op torture sites, but according to Simon they changed it to 4 black op torture sites to make it more digestible for television audiences
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V-Men posted:The only unrealistic thing about the Jimmy serial killer plot is that he's using the extra money for actual police work. Other than that, I don't think it's worse than Bunny doing Hamsterdam. While Jimmy was always a guy who would do whatever it takes to bring the case in, he didn't seem like a guy that would actually break the law in order to do it. I'm struggling to think of another time where McNulty intentionally went outside the law, and I can't think of anything. McNulty knows it's against the law, and Bunk makes that clear to him many times. I guess it's not super duper crazy, but still felt like a stretch. Adding Lester to the mix really stretched it beyond belief too. Seemed like the writers wanted a parallel to the journalism storyline maybe a little too much. Hamsterdam wasn't illegal, it was just selective non-enforcement of drug laws. So it didn't seem as egregious as the serial killer thing, plus Hamsterdam at least had a point it was driving home. Bird in a Blender fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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Didn't he tamper with Stringer's body in some way? Did I imagine that? Also he clearly has no compunction about breaking the law in a non-work context, and spends his entire professional career being directly and intentionally insubordinate. It's not much of a stretch. And you constantly see the BPD doing sketchy poo poo in the interview rooms. We also see other cops inventing CIs all the time. Obviously that's an order of magnitude less insane, but it's still the same species of problem.
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is turning a blind eye to murder against the law
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Bird in a Blender posted:While Jimmy was always a guy who would do whatever it takes to bring the case in, he didn't seem like a guy that would actually break the law in order to do it. I'm struggling to think of another time where McNulty intentionally went outside the law, and I can't think of anything. McNulty knows it's against the law, and Bunk makes that clear to him many times. I guess it's not super duper crazy, but still felt like a stretch. Adding Lester to the mix really stretched it beyond belief too. Seemed like the writers wanted a parallel to the journalism storyline maybe a little too much. Didn't McNulty sign for a non-existent stakeout on a phone call that turned out to be key to the case? Or was that Lester? I'm thinking of the one where Prez is there. That said, I was totally with you on this when I watched S5 for the first time.
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Bird in a Blender posted:While Jimmy was always a guy who would do whatever it takes to bring the case in, he didn't seem like a guy that would actually break the law in order to do it. I'm struggling to think of another time where McNulty intentionally went outside the law, and I can't think of anything. McNulty knows it's against the law, and Bunk makes that clear to him many times. I guess it's not super duper crazy, but still felt like a stretch. Adding Lester to the mix really stretched it beyond belief too. Seemed like the writers wanted a parallel to the journalism storyline maybe a little too much.
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Ainsley McTree posted:is turning a blind eye to murder against the law Not really, in common law there's not some inherent duty to render aid to really anyone, unless you are "a caretaker" and what that means changes based on state and country. In civil law countries there's often a "duty to render aid", but I'm not sure that would make this scene illegal either since the person is dead. Not investigating a crime of higher than: (department policy: severity) could be against BPD rules, like some departments do it. Meaning, just as an example, that no officer is required by policy to investigate any misdemeanor, unless it is of domestic violence, and no felony under a certain degree. This is meant to make it so that you won't be held liable for random poo poo beyond your control. Not a lawyer, not legal advice, etc.
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Of course it was in character for McNulty. Didn't y'all listen to the profiler?
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Dango Bango posted:Didn't McNulty sign for a non-existent stakeout on a phone call that turned out to be key to the case? Or was that Lester? I'm thinking of the one where Prez is there. Yes, you're right. I can't remember the exact details, but he did fudge that one. The profiler getting Jimmy on the money is another point against my argument. Alas, I may have to concede that Jimmy McNulty would indeed fake a serial killer to get more money to investigate Marlo Stanfield.
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Each time I rewatch season 5 my esteem of the journalism bit goes down while the fake serial killer goes up. Also every time I start season 5 I think "this is better than I remember it".
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pokeyman posted:Each time I rewatch season 5 my esteem of the journalism bit goes down while the fake serial killer goes up. That's the thing of it--the bad parts are bad enough to be the memorable parts, but there's also a season of the wire in there
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Do it for Bubbles
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S5 has Marlo, Chris, Snoop, Prop Joe and many more, all at their best. The Serial Killer is kinda the main plot but the gangster poo poo, which is probably my favorite part of the show, is too notch. The City Hall stuff is great too, especially how they deal with the fake killer and the fallout.
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I always feel like prop joe goes out before season 5. Outside of Bodie he's maybe my favourite player in the game, recognises exactly how it works and when his time comes understands that it's his time. He respects the game. I suppose Avon understands when his time is up too
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Bird in a Blender posted:While Jimmy was always a guy who would do whatever it takes to bring the case in, he didn't seem like a guy that would actually break the law in order to do it. I'm struggling to think of another time where McNulty intentionally went outside the law, and I can't think of anything. McNulty knows it's against the law, and Bunk makes that clear to him many times. I guess it's not super duper crazy, but still felt like a stretch. Adding Lester to the mix really stretched it beyond belief too. Seemed like the writers wanted a parallel to the journalism storyline maybe a little too much. I got your back on this one and totally agree. The serial killer poo poo strained credulity and took me out of the show a bit. It was made even worse for me that Lester decided to hop aboard out of loving nowhere. I just decided to chalk it up to Jimmy's raging alcoholism but I could never mentally jam Freamon into that plot. But like you mentioned, it was all worth it just to get the profiler scene. Hamsterdam, IIRC, was actually based on a real project someone tried somewhere in some large city with mixed results but I don't think it was Baltimore.
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Lester spent thirteen years working the pawn shop unit because he cared more about his personal sense of justice than not loving over his bosses. He loving hates the bosses, he’s just not a drunk child (McNulty) so he messes with them productively. Don’t let the father-you-never-had demeanor fool you, he’s a cold calculating motherfucker. Remember when he went undercover meeting Bernard? Part of that was he showed he knew how to run a no poo poo con. That’s just a thing Lester happened to know. Lester finally was making progress on getting Marlo and was desperate for a way to fund it. He’d carry Rawls around in a little rickshaw if he got to keep that wire up, of course he’s going with the serial killer thing.
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