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Does look like it hit the stern so could have damaged rudder or props.
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May 25, 2023 15:47
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Is there a poop deck / putin joke there somewhere?
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May 25, 2023 15:50
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https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1661691094973775885
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May 25, 2023 15:52
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Gripen fighters, too? https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1661718170451734528?s=20
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May 25, 2023 16:05
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https://twitter.com/LenerdoDicrapio/status/1661126393101680640 drat, John McCain called it /all/ way back in 2015.
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May 25, 2023 16:09
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Mederlock posted:https://twitter.com/LenerdoDicrapio/status/1661126393101680640 McCain is a great representation of how the American right used to be, with their heads only partially up their asses. The current crop of right wingers have plunged their skulls shoulder deep.
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May 25, 2023 16:23
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the second amendment is alive and well in Russia
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May 25, 2023 16:30
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karoshi posted:Gripen fighters, too? Maybe the Czech Gripen could be handed over to Ukraine. Hungary and Brazil have a bunch too, but I have a feeling those are more likely be handed over to Russia.
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May 25, 2023 16:36
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Scam Likely posted:McCain is a great representation of how the American right used to be, with their heads only partially up their asses. The current crop of right wingers have plunged their skulls shoulder deep. They are focused on their Christian Fascist poo poo so much that nothing else matters at this point to them.
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May 25, 2023 16:37
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Mederlock posted:https://twitter.com/LenerdoDicrapio/status/1661126393101680640 The last real man in the republican party.
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May 25, 2023 16:38
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Alan Smithee posted:the second amendment is alive and well in Russia Huge numbers of baseball bats are sold in Russia, despite almost nobody playing baseball.
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May 25, 2023 16:40
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Bluemillion posted:The last real man in the republican party. Says it all, doesn't it.
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May 25, 2023 16:41
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karoshi posted:Gripen fighters, too? I'm sure the russian media will be gripen' about this! 🤣
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May 25, 2023 16:53
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karoshi posted:Gripen fighters, too? And this right after Russia forced Sweden to close their consulate at St. Petersburg.
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May 25, 2023 16:56
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Der Kyhe posted:And this right after Russia forced Sweden to close their consulate at St. Petersburg. You figure Russia would at least realize that the threats and negative feedback isn't working anymore.
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May 25, 2023 16:57
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Bluemillion posted:I'm sure the russian media will be gripen' about this! 🤣 Ayy lmao
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May 25, 2023 17:04
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Mederlock posted:https://twitter.com/LenerdoDicrapio/status/1661126393101680640 Dude knew what Putin was and knew the risk level to Ukraine from inaction. Hell in 2015 people were mocking McCain for sounding the warning bells about Russia as a hawk. This is kind of haunting now. I'm not a fan of many of the man's stances but he was right on the money about this.
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May 25, 2023 17:05
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TulliusCicero posted:Dude knew what Putin was and knew the risk level to Ukraine from inaction. Hell in 2015 people were mocking McCain for sounding the warning bells about Russia as a hawk. It kept happening too. I will never ever forget talking to actual family like "jesus christ Vova is about to invade Ukraine" while very very knowledgeable communists online insisted it as all made up by Bloodlust Biden and besides it's kulaks who deserve it anyway, and besides the nazi azov Zelenskiy is cancelling all russian culture in the fake country because the CIA told him to, something something BANDERA
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May 25, 2023 17:10
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It kept happening too. And to be fair: Putin was openly appealing to the GOP's Christian Evangelical powerbase to try to keep them from aligning with Ukraine, and it worked for the most part until recently. He practically had the GOP eating out of the palm of his hand.
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May 25, 2023 17:11
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It kept happening too. A lot of people were laughing at Romney for calling Russia the biggest threat to US national security in 2011/2012. I had just started studying Russian, and I thought it was ridiculous. Then I started speaking to Russians using my newfound Russian, a lot of whom were fully boomer-brained already back then. It was strange to see Romney of all people actually have some idea of what's happening in the world.
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May 25, 2023 17:19
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Mederlock posted:https://twitter.com/LenerdoDicrapio/status/1661126393101680640 He was getting advice from the most distinguished experts.
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May 25, 2023 17:19
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TulliusCicero posted:Dude knew what Putin was and knew the risk level to Ukraine from inaction. Hell in 2015 people were mocking McCain for sounding the warning bells about Russia as a hawk. On the other hand, talk like this coming from him was, understandably, giving people flashbacks to the kind of rhetoric they heard to justify invading Iraq, as he was one of the big proponents of the whole "Saddam is supplying weapons of mass destruction to terrorists" thing.
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May 25, 2023 17:21
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Storkrasch posted:A lot of people were laughing at Romney for calling Russia the biggest threat to US national security in 2011/2012. I had just started studying Russian, and I thought it was ridiculous. Then I started speaking to Russians using my newfound Russian, a lot of whom were fully boomer-brained already back then. It was strange to see Romney of all people actually have some idea of what's happening in the world. Looking back at it now Obama's foreign policy towards dictators and horrible regimes was pretty centrist appeasement. Like Russia and Irsael both got major wins on him multiple times during that period. The election of Trump was clearly a precursor for recent events in Ukraine, but Russia invaded Georgia and Ukraine on Obama's watch and we just kinda  I just wonder if his foreign policy will be looked at with a different lens in the near future. I want to make clear I'm not suggesting Obama caused Russia to invade Georgia or Ukraine, I am suggesting that inaction from NATO and sanctions did jack poo poo and emboldened Putin to do crazier poo poo to the US and Ukraine in 2016.
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May 25, 2023 17:25
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Storkrasch posted:Maybe the Czech Gripen could be handed over to Ukraine. Hungary and Brazil have a bunch too, but I have a feeling those are more likely be handed over to Russia. Iirc Czech Gripens are leased so that would probably complicate things
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May 25, 2023 17:25
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Yeah, at the time any talk of russia or syria could be lumped into "we're looking for a new war, to rekindle the magic just after 9/11." If putin kept doing what he was doing pre-invasion the west would've just kept rotting away and collapsing into trumpian fiefdoms.
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May 25, 2023 17:27
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TulliusCicero posted:Looking back at it now Obama's foreign policy towards dictators and horrible regimes was pretty centrist appeasement. Like Russia and Irsael both got major wins on him multiple times during that period. Russia attacked Georgia in 2008, during the Olympics. Obama was not in office back then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War I do not like how bush skates away free from consequences, neither should anyone else.
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May 25, 2023 17:31
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TulliusCicero posted:Dude knew what Putin was and knew the risk level to Ukraine from inaction. Hell in 2015 people were mocking McCain for sounding the warning bells about Russia as a hawk. I hate to say it but Mitt Romney was also dead on the money about this, binders fulla women or not. i refuse to believe palin arrived at this conclusion except by total accident Pajser posted:Russia attacked Georgia in 2008, during the Olympics. Obama was not in office back then. Yeah that was Bush's last international whoopsydoodle in the midst of the global economy melting down HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 17:35 on May 25, 2023 |
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May 25, 2023 17:32
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TulliusCicero posted:Looking back at it now Obama's foreign policy towards dictators and horrible regimes was pretty centrist appeasement. Like Russia and Irsael both got major wins on him multiple times during that period. Invading Crimean peninsula and Donbas, or 2 small ethnically Russian regions of Georgia is also very different thing from trying to land-grab a country size of Poland and Germany combined, with a population of 40+ millions that wants nothing to do with Russia and has recently booted out a Russia-leaning dictator. Its not an excuse, but for the European NATO and EU it was too much too close, dragging the neighboring EU countries into the war one way or another. Or making them openly join the Putin's side and work against the others. It also echoes the same narratives that started the WW2 in Europe, and pretty much also showed that Russia will not stop doing these types of wars unless something is done about it. Next, anschluss of Belarus and Moldova, then its Nordics or Baltics turn.
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May 25, 2023 17:34
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Der Kyhe posted:Invading Crimean peninsula and Donbas, or 2 small ethnically Russian regions of Georgia is also very different thing from trying to land-grab a country size of Poland and Germany combined, with a population of 40+ millions that wants nothing to do with Russia and has recently booted out a Russia-leaning dictator. Its not an excuse, but for the European NATO and EU it was too much too close, dragging the neighboring EU countries into the war one way or another. Or making them openly join the Putin's side. belarus is pretty much an oblast at this point anyway and it's pretty sad to see. this would be the perfect time to try and get rid of lukashenka again because what's russia gonna do, send the metro security guards to minsk?
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May 25, 2023 17:38
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TulliusCicero posted:Looking back at it now Obama's foreign policy towards dictators and horrible regimes was pretty centrist appeasement. Like Russia and Irsael both got major wins on him multiple times during that period. I remember that at the time, conservatives thought that Obama was far too soft with Putin and was letting Putin take the lead on US-Russia relations and essentially get his way. Which made their about-face with Trump and Putin being buds especially funny.
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May 25, 2023 17:39
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steinrokkan posted:Iirc Czech Gripens are leased so that would probably complicate things If Sweden trains Ukrainians, Czechia and Sweden could possibly end the lease and provide them to Ukraine. Czechia is getting F-35s I think, and NATO could probably help them temporarily. Sweden is in a different situation, not being in NATO and relying heavily on its air force.
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May 25, 2023 17:39
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Pajser posted:Russia attacked Georgia in 2008, during the Olympics. Obama was not in office back then. Thank you for genuinely bringing this up loving Bush memory hole propaganda is powerful gently caress
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May 25, 2023 17:44
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Storkrasch posted:If Sweden trains Ukrainians, Czechia and Sweden could possibly end the lease and provide them to Ukraine. Czechia is getting F-35s I think, and NATO could probably help them temporarily. Sweden is in a different situation, not being in NATO and relying heavily on its air force. I have absolutely 0% confidence that the Baltic fleet from Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg can stage a seaborne invasion anywhere to Sweden, at least without managing to accidentally attack Poland, Finland and assorted number of other countries while doing it. But yeah, Sweden right now probably might want to hold on to all fighters and modern weapons systems they have operators for. Especially anything that works as anti-ship or anti-airborne deterrence.
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May 25, 2023 17:44
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Storkrasch posted:If Sweden trains Ukrainians, Czechia and Sweden could possibly end the lease and provide them to Ukraine. Czechia is getting F-35s I think, and NATO could probably help them temporarily. Sweden is in a different situation, not being in NATO and relying heavily on its air force. Well I mean. In NATO in all but name, however there is this https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2023/03/24/nordic-countries-move-toward-linking-their-air-forces-250-planes/ I don't think Sweden is going to have to stand alone for much longer. Just need to get off their rear end from fika and join NATO already.
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May 25, 2023 17:46
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Der Kyhe posted:I have absolutely 0% confidence that the Baltic fleet from Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg can stage a seaborne invasion anywhere to Sweden, at least without managing to accidentally attack Poland, Finland and assorted number of other countries while doing it. Not worried about full scale invasions at all, but Russia likes to fly bombers into Swedish airspace, and might try to mess with shipping or underwater cables etc.
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May 25, 2023 17:47
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Tigey posted:These ramming drone boats don't seem to have had a great track record so far, so I don't expect anything to come of this. Even if it doesn't result in a sunken vessel, any damage means that it's going to have to be taken out of commission for a while until things can be assessed and repaired.
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May 25, 2023 17:49
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I disagree about Romney. Outside of their troll farms and the nuclear arsenal (assuming that it works, of course) Russia is not anywhere close to being the main threat to the US. Now, a regional threat to their neighbors? Totally different story, as we've seen time and again.
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May 25, 2023 17:53
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HonorableTB posted:i refuse to believe palin arrived at this conclusion except by total accident
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May 25, 2023 17:56
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More Russophobia. However, due to public outcry, he will retain "Honorable Mention" in the city's Eyebrow Museum. https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1661730084494118915?cxt=HHwWhsDQ7aSt048uAAAA 
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May 25, 2023 18:05
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Nice piece of fish posted:Well I mean. In NATO in all but name, however there is this Linking air forces means Sweden probably has more commitments for its air force, not necessarily less. A big chunk of those 250 planes are Swedish. I'd be hesitant to rely on NATO fully anyway, it's an organisation that is currently at the whim of at least two authoritarian and anti-western countries. If Russia sizes their operations appropriately, I could see NATO not really bothering. Arguably Nordstream would be an example of such an operation, though I have no proof that Russia did it. Russia could e.g. "accidentally" ram oil tankers outside of Stockholm harbour or something, and I doubt NATO would do much about it, especially if Sweden isn't officially in NATO. I'd be happy if Sweden gave Ukraine a squadron or two of Gripen, but I can see why they might not.
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May 25, 2023 18:06
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