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well it is an alternate dimension / time travel story, that's just not a part of it
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For the record, the book is called "Forever Twenty Summers" and it's an optional book you can find during the quest "Hitting the Books" (the actual clickable object is labeled as "Well-worn Manual").Forever Twenty Summers posted:My beloved seekers of knowledge. Have you ever put learning before your health, and neglected to feed and rest your body as you should? Notably, Y'shtola claims to be twenty-three.
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May 27, 2023 04:54
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Isn't this all a reference to a famous Japanese actress who has insisted that she's 18 for the last 20 years or so?
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May 27, 2023 05:01
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Ibblebibble posted:Isn't this all a reference to a famous Japanese actress who has insisted that she's 18 for the last 20 years or so? I kind of doubt it's a reference to anything specific because I feel like I've been hearing variations on that joke for most of my life
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May 27, 2023 05:27
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Ibblebibble posted:Isn't this all a reference to a famous Japanese actress who has insisted that she's 18 for the last 20 years or so? I think it's not really a one exclusive person thing, there's just an ongoing joke about "I've been 23 for the last 15 years" kinda stuff on both sides of the ocean.
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May 27, 2023 05:32
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One of Y'shtola's subtle points of characterization is that she's very careful about constructing a particular polished-and-wise image of herself. Some of this that didn't make it into the English text but did show up in the French is that in the French localization, almost all Miqo'te NPCs roll their Rs at least a little. Though I have not played through the entire game in French, every time I've checked in with Y'shtola, she does not exhibit this particular speech quirk. I choose to believe she's doing that very purposefully. Additional fun related fact: G'raha Tia rolls the occasional R. It even shows up in some voiced cutscenes. The Crystal Exarch does not.
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May 27, 2023 05:37
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Huh. And all this time, I thought that one female Miqo'te that spoke like a cat was just being weird.
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May 27, 2023 06:10
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Huh. And all this time, I thought that one female Miqo'te that spoke like a cat was just being weird. It's the way Mithra talk in FFXI
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May 27, 2023 06:24
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Since Shadowbringers there's also the weirdness where Y'shtola (along with Thancred and Urianger) is like 5 years older than the body she inhabits, which adds some additional wrinkles to her lying about her age lmao. I think overall I agree that Y'shtola is a good character where she's at, but in considering what sort of development she could get, that's where I feel she's in a weird spot. She doesn't necessarily need development. Sometimes you've got a work buddy or colleague you just never get to know that well and has their own poo poo going on.
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May 27, 2023 06:32
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Y'shtola was absolutely a turbo nerd growing up; braces, coke bottle glasses, sailor moon wallscrolls, etc etc. She did the whole "reinvent yourself in college" thing, and is determined to make sure it sticks.
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May 27, 2023 06:33
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the_steve posted:Y'shtola was absolutely a turbo nerd growing up; braces, coke bottle glasses, sailor moon wallscrolls, etc etc. Case in point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ldTM27mlc4
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May 27, 2023 07:02
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bobtheconqueror posted:Since Shadowbringers there's also the weirdness where Y'shtola (along with Thancred and Urianger) is like 5 years older than the body she inhabits, which adds some additional wrinkles to her lying about her age lmao. There is an element where wanting a Y'shtola arc is almost selfish; she doesn't have personal growth she needs to go through like Alphinaud, she doesn't have unfulfilled needs like Thancred. She's already sorted her poo poo out before we met her, and that's great. If FFXIV were a game with an expanded universe going on, she'd be a perfect protagonist for a prequel. We just want to see Y'shtola get more story because even the people who don't like Y'shtola know she's good for it. She gets so few scenes ABOUT her, but can really steal the show if given them, you know she'd have a fantastic character arc if they gave her one.
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Ibblebibble posted:Isn't this all a reference to a famous Japanese actress who has insisted that she's 18 for the last 20 years or so? This is a very common phenomenon so this is almost certainly not a reference, but Kikuko Inoue's version of that joke is one of the best in the business
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Blockhouse posted:It's the way Mithra talk in FFXI Yup, it has always struck me as referencing that. There are a handful of ARR NPCs that exhibit this dialogue quirk, just like you get a few lalas that do the alliteration thing that tarutaru were known for in FFXI, but the English localization very swiftly abandoned both of those things. The French, however, carried on with it so much that even Miqo'te dialogue from recent seasonal events will have the quirk incorporated. It's kinda neat!
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May 27, 2023 10:44
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The 'normal' male miqo'te retainer also rrrolls his rrrs.
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It's actually really easy to forget that the base races are all essentially based on the XI races
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Waffleman_ posted:It's actually really easy to forget that the base races are all essentially based on the XI races Yeah. This is XI art:  Just need to add a few to update it for XIV
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May 27, 2023 14:48
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FFXI's art had such good vibes  I should give the weird new single-player-viable incarnation a shot one of these days. Most of the game mechanics went over my head as a 12 year old.
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Re: Y'shtola's Age, I decided to see what the Fandom Wiki had to say: Age: Claims to be 23 It then has the following note: Y'shtola's younger sister Y'mhitra Rhul is 26, and Y'shtola said she was Alphinaud's age when the Sharlayan Colony was abandoned, 15 years ago, which would make her approximately 32. And then, of course, there's also this to consider: bobtheconqueror posted:Since Shadowbringers there's also the weirdness where Y'shtola (along with Thancred and Urianger) is like 5 years older than the body she inhabits, which adds some additional wrinkles to her lying about her age lmao.
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May 27, 2023 15:32
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Cephas posted:FFXI's art had such good vibes Good news, a significant amount of ffxi is single player viable now
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FeatherFloat posted:Yup, it has always struck me as referencing that. There are a handful of ARR NPCs that exhibit this dialogue quirk, just like you get a few lalas that do the alliteration thing that tarutaru were known for in FFXI, but the English localization very swiftly abandoned both of those things. The French, however, carried on with it so much that even Miqo'te dialogue from recent seasonal events will have the quirk incorporated. It's kinda neat!
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you can pretty much roll through all of the mission quests (basically msq) in ff11 with a trust party - I think you'd need a particular setup for the very last boss of rhapsodies, but maybe that was just me playing white mage at the time. and, I mean. you can't say you've played every final fantasy until you play 11.
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May 27, 2023 19:56
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IIRC Thancred 5 years older mentally, Y'shtola and Urianger 3 years, and the twins 1 year.
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May 27, 2023 20:03
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My ff11 experience was playing it like 6 years ago for the first time, it was cool although the UI was hard to get used to. The quest to become a dark knight was really funny and I almost hosed up counting the amount of enemies or w/e I had to kill with the lovely scythe they give you.
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The hardest part of FF11 is setting up an account and logging in. I've never seen anything like it.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Right after you meet up with Krile and she says she'll deal with the paperwork to get you into the Aetherfront, she complains to herself that she still has so much more work to do and then the she looks at an envelope on the desk, while the camera zooms in on it. There's also a whole-rear end cutscene about the auracites and the Ultimas if you talk to Claudien again after finishing the last raid quest.
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stev posted:The hardest part of FF11 is setting up an account and logging in. I've never seen anything like it. This and getting used to the weird rear end control scheme that you can’t rebind. I played for the free login campaign a few months ago and it was fun but you def need a lot of time to play through it. I was lv50something and still working through the 1.0 quests
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Badger of Basra posted:This and getting used to the weird rear end control scheme that you can’t rebind. I heard there's some sort of third party addon that lets you play it like a hotbar MMO but I haven't googled this
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i'm pretty shocked there hasnt been an option to pay an extra 2 bucks a month to bake a ffxi sub into your ffxiv one, or something similar
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Yeah I guess that's the equivalent of WoW adding Classic to its sub, since 1.0 ain't ever going to be brought back.
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it feels like something I've heard rumors about for half a decade now, at this point I just assume it isn't happening since they either think everyone playing FFXI now is like 95% of the population who'd play it even if it was free, or they just straight up don't know how to integrate the payment systems.
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stev posted:Yeah I guess that's the equivalent of WoW adding Classic to its sub, since 1.0 ain't ever going to be brought back. NIGHTMARE.
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when 1.0 came out there was a combined sub option but it got dropped when tanaka left and didn't get picked back up when the legacy sub came online at the end.
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I will say that the lack of any real way to experience 1.0's plot is probably my biggest complaint with the game. I obviously don't *want* them to bring back 1.0 but it would be nice if they had something that allowed you to go through the plot, even in a reduced format.
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ImpAtom posted:I will say that the lack of any real way to experience 1.0's plot is probably my biggest complaint with the game. I obviously don't *want* them to bring back 1.0 but it would be nice if they had something that allowed you to go through the plot, even in a reduced format. There were 5 actual plot points in 1.0's plot and they added 3 more leading up to 1.2x when it ended. There's almost nothing to experience there that isn't repeated in ARR or brought back and reworked later.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:There were 5 actual plot points in 1.0's plot and they added 3 more leading up to 1.2x when it ended. There's almost nothing to experience there that isn't repeated in ARR or brought back and reworked later. Eh, it'd be nice ot see Louie as something besides a cutscene man.
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This is probably as a succinct and comprehensive look at 1.0 - 1.23 as we can get. To my knowledge quests, and thus plot, was actually quite sparse compared to ARR anyways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZgp8mUrog
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ImpAtom posted:Eh, it'd be nice ot see Louie as something besides a cutscene man. He was basically a cutscene man back then as well because all there was plot wise was essentially a handful of cutscene between dozens of hours of leve grinding.
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