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Frosted Flake posted:If I could just manage to get hired as the military consultant for one of these games and then somehow get put in charge... The stuff in Shogun is pretty half-assed, and it's telling that this "fat guy" trait is by far the most common despite being one of the most negative in the game lol. The same trait and same phenomenon was in Empire/Napoleon too. CA is sort of like Paradox in that I suspect that they're run incompetently and succeed by virtue of being the only devs in a genre. Even in the fun games they had wacky stuff going on. The difference was that they were mostly fun, rather than sometimes fun sometimes tedium, or worse
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Mantis42 posted:I'd be happy if the AI could just maintain a line and and such. Play Shogun 1 or Medieval 1. The battle AI used to be able to manage that much, at least.
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The point of Total War AI is to do stupid things that let you feel smart, and it does the job well enough. If I wanted to actually plan strategy against someone capable of counterplay, I'd play Dominions5. (And I did play 11 games of it, won 3 or 4, and retired because I just didn't have the time for it anymore)
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:CA is sort of like Paradox in that I suspect that they're run incompetently and succeed by virtue of being the only devs in a genre. Even in the fun games they had wacky stuff going on. The difference was that they were mostly fun, rather than sometimes fun sometimes tedium, or worse Most likely, yeah.
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Orange Devil posted:Play Shogun 1 or Medieval 1. The battle AI used to be able to manage that much, at least. The last TA game I played war medieval and yeah, I remember the AI managing to move blocks of dudes around coherently and stuff but it was still really passive overall, like it was made for you to be able to do some sick Alexander flanking moves but never ever get them done to you in return.
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https://store.steampowered.com/app/489630/Warhammer_40000_Gladius__Relics_of_War/ - Warham Gladius is available free until June 1. It's an AoW-type game but Warhams.
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Victoria 3 is good you dorks. Anyone advocating vicky 2 over it should be committed
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'Wahhh they put too much of the good stuff into the free patch and not the dlc abloo bloo' Eat my fart, ive solidified it in the freezer on a popsicle stick and im handing it to you, eat it you worthless gd gamer pigs
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Anarcho Liberal i think v3 is better then 2 by a mile idgaf about controling ur stupid army mans theres like 12043 other paradox map games that let u do that i just want to industrialize Persia and get into hell wars with russia
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Shogun 2's trait system was weirdly bugged iirc and a lot of the traits were vanishingly rare when they weren't supposed to be. I think S2 was actually sorta their peak for strategy layers- it was ruthless but pretty simple to figure out most of the time, whereas after that they dumped a bunch of complexity into province management which didn't really add much, as well as making it so there was much less of a serious endgame threat. E: vv fair yeah, reminds me I need to try 3k again once I get a computer that can actually run it well StashAugustine has issued a correction as of 04:09 on May 28, 2023 |
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Id say shogun 2 was peak until 3k, which has a fantastic top layer
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I heard the Company of Heroes community is mad at the third gamez what did it nor show enough difference to the Nazis?
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KomradeX posted:I heard the Company of Heroes community is mad at the third gamez what did it nor show enough difference to the Nazis? Yes
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I think relic just stopped supporting cause they are spread real thin (they also did the new age of empires). I guess they just had a bunch of layoffs. Shame cause i thought this one was decent
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KomradeX posted:I heard the Company of Heroes community is mad at the third gamez what did it nor show enough difference to the Nazis? no there's a bunch of problems with it
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Vicky 2 and 3 are similar in that both have conceptually interesting military mechanics that are let down by insane UI deficiencies.
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The secret to Shogun 2's map AI seeming competent: They heavily constrained places that can be pathed to by using the mountains to restrict movement. Once you take out the dumbest options, the remaining ones are passably ok.
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This is also known as good design.
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Well, yes, that wasn't a complaint. 
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my dad posted:The secret to Shogun 2's map AI seeming competent: They heavily constrained places that can be pathed to by using the mountains to restrict movement. Once you take out the dumbest options, the remaining ones are passably ok. they are also not competent. The metagame is conquering a corner of japan and then trigger realm divide lol.
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We probably have different criteria for competent when it comes to total war game AI, but the corner strat would work regardless of AI because limiting how many places you have to defend is just a good practice in that situation. Hell, I did that with the Saga clan, take the west side of Japan with artillery-backed traditionalist armies and multiple fleets of cheap lovely ships to guard my flanks, stop conquests a few provinces short of triggering realm divide, industrialize the poo poo out of my lands, and then switch gear to full modern warfare and roll over the rest of Japan. Regular Shogun 2 I mostly played ashigaru focused Oda. It gives me a fun positional challenge throughout the game, gives me a bump early on when high difficulty can be a bit too punishing, and gives me interesting enemies to overcome later on. The other expansion... I really want to like it, but it's just... I dunno, empty? I get the idea, and it should have been something fun, but it's just not.
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Look your vassals betraying you because some number went too high is just the AI being a poo poo. 3K by contrast had a lot of systems (color coded even!) that let you play either tall or wide, specialize your provinces to an incredible degree based upon natural resources and generally provide a complete if somewhat simplistic mapgame to set the stage for your battles.
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Oh. I didn't count that one since I saw it as a flaw of the realm divide mechanic itself, but yeah, it's absolutely bullshit. I've never played 3K! My computer can't handle the modern total wars, so I can't comment on these much. Sounds pretty cool, tho.
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Tankbuster posted:Look your vassals betraying you because some number went too high is just the AI being a poo poo. 3K by contrast had a lot of systems (color coded even!) that let you play either tall or wide, specialize your provinces to an incredible degree based upon natural resources and generally provide a complete if somewhat simplistic mapgame to set the stage for your battles. You are starting to sell me on 3K.
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3k is the abraham lincoln of total war games, gone right when poo poo was starting to get good.
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I agree with most of that about Three Kingdoms except that I don't like the building variety at all, far too much in the way of tiny tweaks and minuscule differences where it feels more like having the best setup slightly obfuscated rather than having meaningful choices about how you build provinces.
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Oh boy it's coming up the anniversary of the Battle of Midway PYF Pacific ww2 game, book, or story
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gradenko_2000 posted:Allied General is still the only one that tries to model Operation Jupiter UOC2 does have Unthinkable too, it’s a bonus mission in the campaign
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gradenko_2000 posted:Oh boy it's coming up the anniversary of the Battle of Midway war in the pacific (when someone else is playing it for a Let's Play)
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:The stuff in Shogun is pretty half-assed, and it's telling that this "fat guy" trait is by far the most common despite being one of the most negative in the game lol. The same trait and same phenomenon was in Empire/Napoleon too. I swear hardly anyone has heard of it but King Arthur: The Roleplaying Wargame was a far superior Total Warhammer, and it predated it by like a decade. Genuinely it was great. Slim Jim Pickens posted:Battlestations: Midway (NOT Pacific) gently caress that game was good. I'm so mad the franchise died. Zeppelin Insanity has issued a correction as of 19:20 on May 28, 2023 |
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the thing with warhammer total war is it has the warhammer setting and so you can play satanic industrialist dwarfs and dinosaurs with lasers this inevitably leads to somewhat greater variety than most other total war settings
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Fuligin posted:Id say shogun 2 was peak until 3k, which has a fantastic top layer It's probably the best total war game they've made, the fall of the samurai expansion was so good. I had a friend refuse to play the expansion because the new gun units absolutely disseminated all the OG samurai units. Like yes you idiot, that is the whole point.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:I swear hardly anyone has heard of it but King Arthur: The Roleplaying Wargame was a far superior Total Warhammer, and it predated it by like a decade. Man I remember that. Forgot where I bought it though.
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V. Illych L. posted:the thing with warhammer total war is it has the warhammer setting and so you can play satanic industrialist dwarfs and dinosaurs with lasers They balance it out by having the battles be shallower than usual. The games are still near the peak for the series but variety is overstated when you can lump most of the units into like 5 types and use them the same way on the same maps.
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Danann posted:https://store.steampowered.com/app/489630/Warhammer_40000_Gladius__Relics_of_War/ - Warham Gladius is available free until June 1. It's an AoW-type game but Warhams. I want to like that game but the fact that ingame research tree constantly tells you are you are locked out of the DLC content and tells you to pay for it really turned me off tbf tho apparantly it's made by a team of 3 ppl, so I get why they need the money
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John Charity Spring posted:I agree with most of that about Three Kingdoms except that I don't like the building variety at all, far too much in the way of tiny tweaks and minuscule differences where it feels more like having the best setup slightly obfuscated rather than having meaningful choices about how you build provinces. you use them to specialize provinces based on local resources. Make a massive city and turn the wider province into an armory where it sucks up food from nearby provinces but you can use it to create massive high tier armies on the cheap, something that was very easy to do with the the Sun family.
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