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Brendan Rodgers posted:I'm trying to explain to a friend about how the IPCC are super hosed up. Created by Ronald Reagan, lead by people whose qualifications are in Economics or Engineering etc, and whose previous work experience is in working for Exxon-Mobil. 
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May 29, 2023 04:16
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MightyBigMinus posted:the ipcc is good and you are a dumbass making poo poo up Which part of my post was made up? Who is the current chair of the IPCC, and was Ronald Reagan instrumental in its creation because he cared so much about the environment? Like I literally took my information for that post from Wikipedia, which isn't rigorous research, but it's not something I just invented out of thin air. Trabisnikof posted:The politicization comes in from how questions are framed and which sections get elevated to the Summary for Policymakers and thus get reported to the media at all. Thanks, this makes sense.
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May 29, 2023 06:18
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cat botherer posted:Just spitballing here, but is there a way to make planes run on coal? That could really help things out.
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May 29, 2023 06:27
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You're thinking too small, we have to make the plants run on coal
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May 29, 2023 06:38
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IT'S HAPPENING quote:Mars bars have been given a new look with recyclable paper wrappers instead of plastic. INCREMENTAL CHANGE IS HAPPENING
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May 29, 2023 07:28
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Lol old spice rolled out deoderant in paper compostable tubes and already discontinued them.
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May 29, 2023 07:45
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silicone thrills posted:Lol old spice rolled out deoderant in paper compostable tubes and already discontinued them. Spray or roll?
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May 29, 2023 07:48
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Spray or roll? The uh white paste style? This is back when they announced it https://us.pg.com/blogs/major-brands-introduce-all-paper-packaging/ I buy stuff from a niche small company in the same containers and they work well but people are big babies mostly so i figured a big brand wouldnt last long doing it and i was right. silicone thrills has issued a correction as of 07:53 on May 29, 2023 |
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May 29, 2023 07:50
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Spray or roll? Imagine putting pressurised deodorant in a paper tube
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May 29, 2023 09:03
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Trabisnikof posted:I think you need to slice this carefully. the imf works on the same model. every year the research wing with no political power comes out with papers saying austerity is bad, forgiving loans makes sense, etc., and the policy wing with all the political power buries it and goes "more money for capital, gently caress you."
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May 29, 2023 09:06
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"Believe science" means "shut the gently caress up and quit asking questions peasant." How are north americans going to understand scientific info when half of them can't read? Something to think about the next time a liberal tries to tell you what your opinions should be.
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May 29, 2023 11:52
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we're saved https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1663163477228154880
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May 29, 2023 13:41
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Which part of my post was made up? Who is the current chair of the IPCC, and was Ronald Reagan instrumental in its creation because he cared so much about the environment? Like I literally took my information for that post from Wikipedia, which isn't rigorous research, but it's not something I just invented out of thin air. #1 - the chair of the ipcc graduted with his phd in 1975 and worked for three years as an economist at exxon mobile. IN THE SEVENTIES. in 1992 he joined the ipcc and has worked there now for twenty+ years. for you to dismiss him as an "exxonmobile economist" is a genuinely stupid take. a perfect example of using vague keyword association because you lack any actual understanding of a subject. #2 - raygun gave zero shits and had zero involvement in the ipcc. just because something happens during a presidential administration doesn't mean the president did it. another very typical stupid opinion pattern. this really isn't about the ipcc, its about you trying to pretend you're smarter than and can therefore be dismissive of the single most authoritative organization on a given topic because you skimmed wikipedia.
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May 29, 2023 13:51
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MightyBigMinus posted:doing a surface skim of a page or two on wikipedia and then dismissing the entire org based on two lines is *exactly* what makes you a dumbass. that is the signature pattern of a stupid person looking for the most threadbare justification they can find for their contrarian spit take. this isnt even an ipcc thing, this is a you being a poo poo thinker/poster thing. I didn't think I'm smarter than them, I thought their goals have been subverted. Trabisnikof already posted a great explanation to me about how the political process can obscure the science.
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May 29, 2023 14:10
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Brendan Rodgers posted:I'm trying to explain to a friend about how the IPCC are super hosed up. Created by Ronald Reagan, lead by people whose qualifications are in Economics or Engineering etc, and whose previous work experience is in working for Exxon-Mobil. The issue people have with criticizing the IPCC is there is no alternative, the only way anyone can imagine of tackling the climate crisis with any effect is a big international agreement, and all the actual do gooder boffins are investing everything they have into the IPCC process.
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May 29, 2023 16:53
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DynamicSloth posted:The IPCC is comically corrupt, I would say hopelessly so after 2002 when the Bush Administration arranged to have the Robert Watson who chaired the body removed in response to a very public request from ExxonMobil. The chilling effect was catastrophic and this was the last time the IPCC was lead by an atmospheric scientist. The current Chair is an economist who started his career at ExxonMobil you are phenomenally stupid having worked at exxon for 3 years 50 loving years ago doesn't mean poo poo, hth
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May 29, 2023 16:59
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:you are phenomenally stupid what if it was working at exxon for 50 years 3 years ago????
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May 29, 2023 16:59
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:you are phenomenally stupid So you think Dick Cheney wasn't funneling business to Halliburton since he wasn't working there when he was VP? 
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May 29, 2023 17:02
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:you are phenomenally stupid Ok, has he done anything in the intervening 50 years to suggest he wasn't exactly the kind of person Exxon wanted in the job when they had Watson replaced?
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May 29, 2023 17:16
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:you are phenomenally stupid
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May 29, 2023 17:21
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:you are phenomenally stupid Not only that, in the 70s Exxon had already recognized the existence of climate change and was pursuing research into alternative energy. They didn't really commit to denial as a strategy until the mid-80s, way after this guy had moved on
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May 29, 2023 17:50
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So when this totally objective economist person with no then-current ties to Exxon got appointed, did Exxon or another oil company send more unhappy letters or say something along the lines of being glad that thoughtful scientific balance as opposed to radical left wing politics was now in charge?
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May 29, 2023 17:57
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/dashcam-video-shows-out-of-control-nova-scotia-wildfire-1.6417621 halifax and nova scotia are now also on fire
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May 29, 2023 17:57
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No doubt there's lots of political pressure to highlight optimistic future scenarios in the IPCC summaries and bury any critique of the growth-obsessed system that got us into this mess but even if they were brutally honest about that in the summaries, I doubt it would move the needle at all. We haven't done poo poo and won't do poo poo.
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May 29, 2023 18:37
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Mayor Dave posted:Not only that, in the 70s Exxon had already recognized the existence of climate change and was pursuing research into alternative energy. They didn't really commit to denial as a strategy until the mid-80s, way after this guy had moved on antipattern posted:No doubt there's lots of political pressure to highlight optimistic future scenarios in the IPCC summaries and bury any critique of the growth-obsessed system that got us into this mess but even if they were brutally honest about that in the summaries, I doubt it would move the needle at all. We haven't done poo poo and won't do poo poo. What was lost when Exxon publicly had Watson replaced was any ability of the IPCC to exert independent pressure. Hoesung Lee is non-entity by design. If it was lead by a famous and credible scientist IPCC reports might actually matter, though that is probably hard to imagine after two decades under the cowed IPCC. DynamicSloth has issued a correction as of 19:18 on May 29, 2023 |
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May 29, 2023 18:49
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silicone thrills posted:The uh white paste style? Americans flip out at the idea of replacing plastic anything with not plastic. Should have heard how butt rustled my family in Florida was over the thought they might get a paper straw, somewhere, somehow, and it would be the worst thing.
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May 29, 2023 19:17
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cash crab posted:https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/dashcam-video-shows-out-of-control-nova-scotia-wildfire-1.6417621 seems bad
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May 29, 2023 19:21
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cash crab posted:https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/dashcam-video-shows-out-of-control-nova-scotia-wildfire-1.6417621 Important question: has the fires destroyed Oak Island yet? Want the Laginas/History Channel to loose their cash cow...
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May 29, 2023 19:26
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Turtle Sandbox posted:Americans flip out at the idea of replacing plastic anything with not plastic. Should have heard how butt rustled my family in Florida was over the thought they might get a paper straw, somewhere, somehow, and it would be the worst thing. If it makes them feel any better the plastic straws are still basically plastic treated
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May 29, 2023 19:28
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The plastic straws thing confused the poo poo out of me because like i never fuckin use straws. If they give them to me I always ignored them anyway. Then there's the weird petroleum/plastic funded weirdos who tried to make it into "you are stealing straws from disabled people!!!" part of that culture war that was like uhhhhHHH there's still straws. lots of straw options.
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May 29, 2023 19:31
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You can grow straws for free they're called reeds
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May 29, 2023 19:37
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i think they're called straw
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May 29, 2023 19:40
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You need a straw? Are you a toddler? Little baby can't hold a glass?
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May 29, 2023 19:46
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Puppy Burner posted:You need a straw? Are you a toddler? Little baby can't hold a glass? Disabled people can need straws.
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May 29, 2023 19:48
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RadiRoot posted:seems bad There's only one way to stop these fires. Cut down every tree and sell them for profit.
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May 29, 2023 19:50
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f a s t e r t h a n e x p e c t e dquote:Antarctic alarm bells: Observations reveal deep ocean currents are slowing earlier than predicted
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May 29, 2023 20:28
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Brendan Rodgers posted:There's only one way to stop these fires. Cut down every tree and sell them for profit. build MORE houses you say?
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May 29, 2023 20:51
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so if everything is happening faster than expected, is it the sort of deal where 10 things being 10% faster makes the whole system go 10% faster, like they all are in parallel, or like 10 things being 10% faster is 1.1^10 = 2.6x faster. cause if all the catastrophes are synergizing it will get stupid really fast
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May 29, 2023 20:54
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celadon posted:so if everything is happening faster than expected, is it the sort of deal where 10 things being 10% faster makes the whole system go 10% faster, like they all are in parallel, or like 10 things being 10% faster is 1.1^10 = 2.6x faster. cause if all the catastrophes are synergizing it will get stupid really fast Even when you know it's going to happen faster than you expected, and you try to factor that into a new expectation. It will still happen faster than expected. Brendan Rodgers has issued a correction as of 22:53 on May 29, 2023 |
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May 29, 2023 22:11
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celadon posted:so if everything is happening faster than expected, is it the sort of deal where 10 things being 10% faster makes the whole system go 10% faster, like they all are in parallel, or like 10 things being 10% faster is 1.1^10 = 2.6x faster. cause if all the catastrophes are synergizing it will get stupid really fast Depends on your expectations
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May 29, 2023 22:18
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