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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



For some moronic reason I expected better from the FT

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Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

forkboy84 posted:

For some moronic reason I expected better from the FT

if money is on the line they report it accurately, but otherwise they just default to the mainstream sensible “consensus” opinion

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jel Shaker posted:

i’m more interested in how parliament is going to deal with the huge geographic societal shifts which are happening due to laissez faire neoliberalism, such as the fact that cities and expensive areas are now haemorrhaging young people and families
Where are they going if urbanization is still increasing?

Or is that one of the game the numbers thing where everyone ends up in HMOs in a ring around the city but it's still called urban?

Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor


I miss where I used to live.




Though I would disagree that sexism is at all smashing.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

"hosted by the SWP" is a bit of a red flag.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Can't wait for months of total silence from the British press only for a cavalcade of announcements that The New York Times is woke to suddenly spring up all independently.

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

OwlFancier posted:

"hosted by the SWP" is a bit of a red flag.

:rimshot:

Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



A lot of the public don't seem to realise that Kieth as DPP worked with and alongside the Government to do heinous things, and it needs to be pointed out whenever possible.

UKMT is, of course, not surprised (mostly), but perhaps the public could be swayed into the truth with the occasional revelation about how Tory Kieth actually is.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Lmao, Cohen blames woke Russian trolls for the accusations at first; when informed that 7 different women have made allegations against him, he switches to saying that it probably all happened while he was too drunk to remember.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Accusations go as late as 2018 and he's been claiming to be sober for longer than that, including a book that came out in 2017 where he claimed to no longer be an alcoholic.

Somebody is lying.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Gonzo McFee posted:

Accusations go as late as 2018 and he's been claiming to be sober for longer than that, including a book that came out in 2017 where he claimed to no longer be an alcoholic.

Somebody is lying.

hopefully a hard hitting and uncompromising investigative paper like the Private Eye will be on the case and answer all these questions any minute now…

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe
Good morning thread - I have a 'homework' request.

A little while back in a previous version of UKMT someone made a post about JSO and its tactics, including a link to a twitter thread. The gist of it was that while the JSO/XR style public disruption doesn't go down at all well with the general public in the short term, it does at least get and keep the issue at hand in the public consciousness and can actually boost the support for action in the long term. The twitter thread had polling graphs supporting that.

Does anyone know when that was? Or can they dig out the twitter thread? I thought I had it bookmarked but it seems not.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Pistol_Pete posted:

Lmao, Cohen blames woke Russian trolls for the accusations at first; when informed that 7 different women have made allegations against him, he switches to saying that it probably all happened while he was too drunk to remember.

My man was known as the Octopus for how frequent his groping was bit sure, definitely only happened when he was drinking.


OwlFancier posted:

"hosted by the SWP" is a bit of a red flag.

Seems like it should be quite easy to just not platform the SWP, especially after the big cover-up but apparently people on the left will accept any offer to speak. That or they just don't give a poo poo

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

forkboy84 posted:

My man was known as the Octopus for how frequent his groping was bit sure, definitely only happened when he was drinking.

Calling a Jewish man "Octopus"? Clearly an anti-Semitic attack, all these women are from the pro-Palestine lobby etc etc.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Woke Russians put a powerful hypnotic in my afternoon fifth of gin, causing me to lose all memory.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Is this... an actual socialist policy from the Labour Party???

Labour plans to tackle housing crisis by forcing landowners to sell at lower prices

Given 75%-80% of the cost of building a house is the cost of getting the land for it, this actually might make affordable housing possible.

Link should avoid FT paywall, if not can copy text.

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde
It's a policy from keith, so it will be dropped once he gets elected.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


sinky posted:

It's a policy from keith, so it will be dropped once he gets elected.

Might not even last that long. If there's one thing you can trust about Kieth is that he's a lying toad

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It is still paywalled for me but would that not just be a big handout to property developers who could then simply sell the houses at the current rate? I don't think many people have the ability to just buy undeveloped land and then go through the rigamarole to get planning permissions and then contract someone to build them a house.

grobbo
May 29, 2014
https://twitter.com/wariotifo/status/1663480779006001153/photo/1

Very excited that we've arrived at the apex of accountability in journalism, "it is sneering foreign paternalism to report on our covering up of the sex pesting, and also, did you ever reflect on the fact that the poor man was DRUNK all those times he's accused of groping colleagues while at work?"

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
The best way to do land reform would involve a guillotine and the Dukes of Buccleauch, Sutherland, Westminster, and Cornwall.

edit: The 'failing' New York Times once again exposing Brit Media as a bunch of cunts and dangers.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


OwlFancier posted:

It is still paywalled for me but would that not just be a big handout to property developers who could then simply sell the houses at the current rate? I don't think many people have the ability to just buy undeveloped land and then go through the rigamarole to get planning permissions and then contract someone to build them a house.

It's for councils doing compulsory purchase orders. Full text below


Financial Times posted:


Labour is drawing up plans that would force landowners to sell plots for a fraction of their potential market price in an effort to cut home-building costs in England, according to party officials. Lisa Nandy, shadow levelling-up secretary, intends to reform how land is valued when acquired by councils through “compulsory purchase orders” (CPOs), if Labour wins the next general election.

The Labour proposal for sweeping land reform would go far beyond recent government moves to allow ministers to make landowners sell their holdings more cheaply on limited occasions. Housebuilding is set to be one of the big themes of the next election, with Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer promising to massively increase construction to ease the country’s property crisis, while the Conservatives are more cautious. At present, many potential first-time buyers are unable to get on the housing ladder because of high prices. CPOs allow public bodies or local authorities to force property owners to sell if land is deemed essential for building homes or critical infrastructure.


Under the proposals, a future Labour government would introduce legislation allowing local authorities to buy land at a price that does not reflect the value of potential planning permissions. This would overwrite the 1961 Land Compensation Act, which prevents councils from buying plots for development at their agricultural value. At present, local authorities acquiring sites through CPOs must factor the “hope value” into the purchase price. This is the added value based on the expectation that land will gain planning permission in future. In recent decades, the gap between the value of agricultural land and fields with permission has widened dramatically.


Land worth £22,520 per hectare as agricultural land can on average be worth £6.2mn per hectare with permission — 275 times more — according to the Centre for Progressive Policy think-tank. “We want local areas to capture and benefit from a lot more of the uplift than they currently do when development occurs,” said one Labour aide. “We want to tilt the balance of power. It feels like the scales are tilted towards . . . landowners, we want to re-tilt it towards the communities that want to see more houses built,” the aide added. Labour maintains that the plan would bring England more in line with land valuation systems in Germany, France and the Netherlands.


The proposals are likely to anger some landowners, especially those with fields suitable for development. But Hugh Ellis, director of policy at the Town and Country Planning Association, a charity, said Britain’s “new towns” programme of the 1940s and 1950s had been successful because development corporations could buy vast tracts of land at agricultural value. He said Labour was “quite right” to look at potential reforms, arguing that property holders had enjoyed “an absolute licence to print money”. “Labour need to strike the right balance with landowners, giving them some kind of uplift but nowhere near the extent that we have seen over the last 15 years,” he said.


In 2018, a government review by Sir Oliver Letwin, a former cabinet minister, stopped short of recommending that authorities be allowed to buy up land at its agricultural price. The government launched a consultation in 2022 into capping or abolishing hope value. In April this year, it announced new powers allowing the levelling-up secretary to limit or suspend hope value compensation payments, on a scheme-by-scheme basis. That new rule is set to be introduced through an amendment to the levelling-up and regeneration bill. At the time, the department said the “scheme by scheme” approach would allow cases to be assessed in relation to the European Convention on Human Rights. The Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities said hope value payments could often increase costs for councils. “Our reforms will ensure the taxpayer gets best value for money, by removing ‘hope value’ where justified and in the public interest,” it said. “It will ultimately be for the secretary of state to decide whether a compulsory purchase order can be approved and if the removal of hope value is appropriate.”


Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
"People die eventually anyway, better not look too closely." - journalists

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


keep punching joe posted:

The best way to do land reform would involve a guillotine and the Dukes of Buccleauch, Sutherland, Westminster, and Cornwall.

edit: The 'failing' New York Times once again exposing Brit Media as a bunch of cunts and dangers.

Oh yes please on the Sutherlands. Don't forget Argyll. And honestly Atholl too, if you're legally able to own a private army then bye bye.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

In isolation it sounds good but I would still have concerns over what the council then does with the land, as presumably they would still be getting private developers to build on it.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
If they do get this through & councils get to buy land cheaply and build more social housing, they absolutely MUST find a way of binding it 'in perpetuity' from being sold off under any sort of 'right to buy' scheme and thus entering the private sector making huge profits for private owners and losing the housing for those who can never afford to buy.

One of my friends bought her south London flat under 'right to buy' at a huge discount because her deceased parents had lived in it (not herself once she turned 18) as a 'council flat' and it's now worth a fortune should she choose to sell up.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

grobbo posted:

https://twitter.com/wariotifo/status/1663480779006001153/photo/1

Very excited that we've arrived at the apex of accountability in journalism, "it is sneering foreign paternalism to report on our covering up of the sex pesting, and also, did you ever reflect on the fact that the poor man was DRUNK all those times he's accused of groping colleagues while at work?"

Also, it's a well known legal fact that if you did something while drunk, you can't be found guilty of it. That's why there is no offense of drink driving.
He was drunk when he did all those awful things. He now no longer drinks, so why are these women dwelling on the past? Don't you realize how insensitive it is to be reminding this man about his drink problem he used to have?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Ah but he is a rich alcoholic. Poor alcoholics can be beaten just for being drunk in a public place, because nobody wants to see that. Rich alcoholics, we all have to pause and meditate about how one day they shall die, and never do anything about anything until then.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
https://twitter.com/pipmadeley/status/1663245985810612229

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

guardian opinion on schofield “In the post-#MeToo era we are much more alert to power imbalances in relationships; it’s time employers started exercising their duty of care”

guardian option on cohen *i sleep meme*

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
If you read the full article, the contrast between Cohen's extremely open and unconcealed behaviour and the conveyor belt of senior executives going: "Well golly-gosh, we had absolutely no idea any of this was going on!" when questioned is particularly puke-inducing.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pistol_Pete posted:

If you read the full article, the contrast between Cohen's extremely open and unconcealed behaviour and the conveyor belt of senior executives going: "Well golly-gosh, we had absolutely no idea any of this was going on!" when questioned is particularly puke-inducing.

Mind doing us the courtesy of posting it from behind the NYT paywall? Insofar as providing exhaustive detail of Nick Cohen being a sex weird can be considered a 'courtesy'.

grobbo
May 29, 2014
The Guardian's HR pipeline of "we won't take action, but we're here if you want to discuss your feelings further. no? ok, then" to "well, she refused the offer of another meeting about the issue, I guess she's the real problem here" is all too familiar and too all grim, too.

Also, full credit to Jane Bradley, this is a great punchline:

quote:

In a phone interview, Mr. Cohen said he did not have the “faintest idea” about Ms. Siegle’s accusation and questioned why she had waited so long to report it. He said the conversation with the copy editor was “joking” among friends. He blamed their accusations on a campaign by his critics, including advocates for Russia and for transgender rights.

Informed that seven women had come forward with sexual misconduct complaints, Mr. Cohen exclaimed, “Oh, God.”

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

loving hell, he's incredibly bad at this
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1663489680090845186

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Darth Walrus posted:

Mind doing us the courtesy of posting it from behind the NYT paywall? Insofar as providing exhaustive detail of Nick Cohen being a sex weird can be considered a 'courtesy'.

Sorry, I read it on my vpn-enabled work computer, then phone posted about it here!

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Anyone still getting stumped by pay walls needs to bookmark archive.ph immediately. You put the url in, click a button, and get to see the article!

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
^^^ I was just typing that when you posted LOL - I learned this trick from reddit a few months ago.

NYT - Octopus Cohen article unpaywalled:

https://archive.is/7DqjI

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

I get around the NYT paywall by just turning off javascript for the site. A lot of paywalls can be circumvented using that neat trick.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009

Microplastics posted:

Anyone still getting stumped by pay walls needs to bookmark archive.ph immediately. You put the url in, click a button, and get to see the article!

I have a browser add on called "bypass paywalls clean" which automatically does it when you load a page. Very useful.

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The Wicked ZOGA
Jan 27, 2022

Sexual predators: trans people
Not sexual predators: Woody Allen, Nick Cohen

Words cannot express how much contempt I have for 'journalists' in this country

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