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Battle passes are as much about fostering daily checkins as they are about revenue. BPs in 95% of games are extremely high value compared to other in-game purchases, on the order of 5x more in game currency than just buying currency. So they meet multiple design goals. The first is offering a cheap, obviously better thing that can only be bought once every so often to encourage players to open their wallet up for the first time (opening the door for them to spend more later). The second is conditioning players to log in daily so that they don't quit. The third is that there's a demand from the player for the battle pass rewards so that topping up doesnt seem like an insultingly bad rate by comparison for the swipers. I don't think giga dopamine is really the primary factor for how BPs are designed its usually a really stable grind with zero volatility meant to condition you to play regularly. No Wave fucked around with this message at 20:48 on May 30, 2023 |
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victrix posted:do we have a comfy couch gaming thread? I use this thing https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FSGZ6A4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Not sure if it will work for you but I use it with my couch and it's pretty great, swivels all over the place, plenty of room for mouse and keyboard. I've had it for a year and a half and it's still fine.
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Lotta people itt glossing over how most battle passes let you buy progress. They aren't necessarily a one time fee. Though at least some have long since removed the most overt FOMO pressure by making them never expire once purchased. And/or not making their contents 100% never coming back ultra exclusive. Also a reminder that while other games popularized the concept, just like loot boxes and other questionable forms of monetization we can look back at Valve to see some of the early forms. Dota 2 had (maybe still has idk) some real sinister poo poo. Like a loving leaderboard for compendium levels. deep dish peat moss posted:The level in Titanfall 2 where you're fighting inside a giant prefab house factory was cool as hell I liked the concept but in practice it wasn't a very fun level, imo. Though chalk me up as another person who thinks Titanfall 2 is overhyped.
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I'm curious what FPSes people who disliked Titanfall 2 love. Is there something recent that you like better? In the past decade the only FPSes I've enjoyed are Titanfall 2, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal-- and I'm open to trying other games with good single player campaigns, as long as they're not jingoistic/imperialist trash.
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AfricanBootyShine posted:I'm curious what FPSes people who disliked Titanfall 2 love. Is there something recent that you like better? In the past decade the only FPSes I've enjoyed are Titanfall 2, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal-- and I'm open to trying other games with good single player campaigns, as long as they're not jingoistic/imperialist trash. basically every boomer shooter of any quality, the AAA space is pretty meh in terms of raw gameplay imo like there's no world where I want to play the MW2 campaign over Amid Evil, Dusk, HROT, Cultic, etc (which isn't to say I disliked TF2, it's one of the gooduns, and the MP was too good for this world, but AAA sp campaigns are... ehhhhhhh)
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victrix posted:basically every boomer shooter of any quality, the AAA space is pretty meh in terms of raw gameplay imo This makes a lot of sense to me. Boomer shooters aren't my thing (playing a first-person bullet hell is my version of well, hell), but if that's your ideal a game like Titanfall 2 would definitely disappoint.
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AfricanBootyShine posted:I'm curious what FPSes people who disliked Titanfall 2 love. Is there something recent that you like better? In the past decade the only FPSes I've enjoyed are Titanfall 2, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal-- and I'm open to trying other games with good single player campaigns, as long as they're not jingoistic/imperialist trash. Ultrakill
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Yeah, I didn't particularly dislike Titanfall 2, but I mostly like games that do new or novel things and TF2 felt like a refined version of the AAA FPS which is something I'm not too interested in. I think the last FPS I put a significant amount of time into were Gunfire Reborn, Remnant, and Prodeus (though I didn't actually play the campaign in Prodeus, just user-created levels) e: And Darktide. For all of the complaints about that game, it has the absolute best-feeling moment-to-moment FPS gameplay of all time and I put over 300 hours into it based purely on the strength of how fun it is to move around and shoot things in it, which is saying a lot for me because, well, I generally only like games that do new and novel things, not games that do old things incredibly well. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 22:58 on May 30, 2023 |
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AfricanBootyShine posted:I'm curious what FPSes people who disliked Titanfall 2 love. Is there something recent that you like better? In the past decade the only FPSes I've enjoyed are Titanfall 2, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal-- and I'm open to trying other games with good single player campaigns, as long as they're not jingoistic/imperialist trash. I never played Titanfall games, but since you mention the past decade and we're still in May, Call of Juarez: Gunslinger qualifies, and I absolutely love that game, thanks to fun cinematic western movie action and a simple story which is hilariously told by your character in a saloon while you play through it. Plus you get to meet plenty of legends during key moments. And it also has an arcade score attack mode should you not feel like replaying the story. One of the bestest single player FPS ever as far as I'm concerned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRjbXpAdoyY
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deep dish peat moss posted:e: And Darktide. For all of the complaints about that game, it has the absolute best-feeling moment-to-moment FPS gameplay of all time and I put over 300 hours into it based purely on the strength of how fun it is to move around and shoot things in it, which is saying a lot for me because, well, I generally only like games that do new and novel things, not games that do old things incredibly well. How is it now? I only heard of a rough launch performance wise and also there being a lot of grind that needed to be smoothed out. Is it decent with pubbies?
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It's fine with pubbies. I think the performance issues have been mostly sorted out, but I was lucky and never ran into any (I disabled RTX in a config file at launch which seems to have avoided most problems for lots of people, the in-game RTX options didn't actually disable it). It had a lot of just kind of embarrassing bugs, like the aforementioned RTX option not disabling RTX, certain stats doing literally nothing, tooltips being wrong, etc. A lot of that has been fixed, but it's kind of a running joke that that stuff is par for the course for Fatshark and it still exists to some extent. There's not much progression-wise (nothing to achieve once you hit level 30) and a lot of players are upset that getting a "perfect" weapon is RNG, coming from the Vermintide series where you could essentially just craft yourself a perfect weapon. There have been no major content drops since release. I'm under the impression that part of this is because they had to pause development of new content to backpedal on their cash shop plans and do a lot of bug fixing (It had the FOMO rotating cosmetic thing going on but got removed/changed) but  One of the more vocal continued complaints about it is that the voice lines between characters aren't as detailed/interesting because they're not pre-gen characters anymore, they're all player-made and you choose a background that dictates your voice lines. There's an absurd amount of variety in the lines you're given but they feel kind of dissonant because they're not pre-written linear conversations, they're just random backgrounds mashing lines together. Another major complaint is that you can't choose exactly what mission you do at any given time, you select from a list of ~18 available missions on the mission board. Some of them have fun modifiers like playing in pitch blackness and having more of a certain type of specialist enemy available, but again you can't choose exactly what you want, you have to choose from what's available at the mission board. This can lead to repeating the same mission a few times in a row if you just select random queue. Also, all of the maps are pretty samey environment-wise. They're incredibly detailed and fun to look at, but they're all various industrial slums or sewers. There's no real environmental variety - no jungle worlds or ice worlds or anything. Most of the ill will from the community has come from things like the devs taking a 6-week collective vacation right after launch without communicating about it with the players, and just generally that it tries to be a "live service" game when it seems like the devs don't really know what that entails. The good is hard to explain but all of the little pieces come together so well - the way weapons feel, hit feedback on enemies or environmental objects, particle effects, sounds, lighting, relatively high skill-ceiling mobility, etc. They all just come together in an incredibly satisfying and fun way. I didn't particularly expect "more" out of the other stuff so I wasn't disappointed by it and just had fun with how satisfying the gameplay was. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 23:24 on May 30, 2023 |
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buglord posted:How is it now? I only heard of a rough launch performance wise and also there being a lot of grind that needed to be smoothed out. Is it decent with pubbies? I played it about a week ago, it's still much the same as at launch. Roughly the same performance (though that wasn't a big issue for me), the item/weapon shop had moved in the hub but otherwise had the same selection of boring cosmetics while all the good ones are over at the paid currency store. Technically some new weapons but it was like the starting selection where a lot of them are just variations of one another, at least it seems like you can buy specific ones now instead of having to wait out the store inventory rotation. They've implemented the techpriest thing with adding blessings to weapons but I didn't play enough to use it. Game is still fun because it was always fun but I didn't see much improvement in the systems surrounding the actual gameplay. Same as then, they would still benefit a lot from shamelessly stealing design choices from DRG.
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I should also say I think Titanfall 2 is a pretty good game, just not transformatively extraordinary the way some goons talk about it. (And I second the wish for a mech game taking after it.) My biggest beef with it is that it has all these creative ideas and a decent enough setting to support some cool stuff, but for the most part it just falls back on samey "aim down sights of your AR and pop bad guy heads" gameplay. The factory level emphasizes this with some boring killbox areas where enemies are just kind of randomly dispersed to plink away at you. Wall running and whatever other movement tech either doesn't matter at all or is mandatory for a platforming segment. The mech stuff is very limited in the campaign, though BT as a character is pretty good. The plot feels a bit thinly sketched and suffers from a pretty well known false climax problem where BT sacrifices himself and everything blows up like two and a half times before the game is actually finally over for real. (Though the final sprint where you're just obliterating dudes with the smart pistol is glorious, even if it doesn't really make much sense.) What really chafes is that given TF2 is a leap ahead from the first game's basically non-existent campaign, and given MW1 -> MW2 was also a pretty noticeable improvement, a real deal Titanfall 3 would probably slap. But oops! Speaking of battle passes... deep dish peat moss posted:Yeah, I didn't particularly dislike Titanfall 2, but I mostly like games that do new or novel things and TF2 felt like a refined version of the AAA FPS which is something I'm not too interested in. I guess also speaking to this, I played TF2 in close proximity with Syndicate and like, those games aren't markedly similar in any surface level way but they nonetheless did kind of blur together for me. So maybe this is part of my problem. I'm due for a DOOM 2016 replay, but my original opinion on it was very mixed, if that does anything to further calibrate my tastes. John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 23:37 on May 30, 2023 |
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The Kins posted:Just announced: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart is coming to Steam on July 26. How is this possible? Only the PS5, with its fast hard drive tech which was definitely a real thing that worked as advertised, is fast enough to pull off the portal transitions in this game. This, and the four other PS5 games that have come out, really blew everything away with that tech. C:\images\burn archive\devastating_burns\homer_sarcastic.gif
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AfricanBootyShine posted:I'm curious what FPSes people who disliked Titanfall 2 love. Is there something recent that you like better? In the past decade the only FPSes I've enjoyed are Titanfall 2, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal-- and I'm open to trying other games with good single player campaigns, as long as they're not jingoistic/imperialist trash. play ULTRAKILL i mean, i really liked Titanfall 2, but drat, ULTRAKILL is a real banger
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if you were to put Tf2, Doom, and Eternal on a line, ULTRAKILL would be the natural next step
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Hwurmp posted:if you were to put Tf2, Doom, and Eternal on a line, ULTRAKILL would be the natural next step What, in an overflow-error type of way where gfx loop back around to looking bad, and severe rectilinear distortion suddenly becomes an issue again?
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I really don't like Ultrakill or any boomer shooter really but I think Titanfall 2 is one of the best shooters of the decade so this all tracks.
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FishMcCool posted:I never played Titanfall games, but since you mention the past decade and we're still in May, Call of Juarez: Gunslinger qualifies, and I absolutely love that game, thanks to fun cinematic western movie action and a simple story which is hilariously told by your character in a saloon while you play through it. Plus you get to meet plenty of legends during key moments. And it also has an arcade score attack mode should you not feel like replaying the story. One of the bestest single player FPS ever as far as I'm concerned. Great game but I personally hated the dueling mechanic, which took the wind out of my sails at a lot of key moments. Absolutely worth the $5 though
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:How is this possible? Only the PS5, with its fast hard drive tech which was definitely a real thing that worked as advertised, is fast enough to pull off the portal transitions in this game. This, and the four other PS5 games that have come out, really blew everything away with that tech. spoiler alert: the whole level beyond the portals was already in memory
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:How is this possible? Only the PS5, with its fast hard drive tech which was definitely a real thing that worked as advertised, is fast enough to pull off the portal transitions in this game. This, and the four other PS5 games that have come out, really blew everything away with that tech. ymgve posted:spoiler alert: the whole level beyond the portals was already in memory Yes, we all know about the blazing speeds of the PS5's RAM, but that doesn't answer the question
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Titanfall was cool and good and fun. It also lacked any notable monetization of its multiplayer (you could buy some skins). Naturally this all means it had to die so we could get a battlepass BR with overwatch characters Edit: (I don’t actually blame apex titanfalls death)
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System Shock 1 remake is good, I never actually played the original (just SS2) so I can't comment on how it "changed" but what I've seen is pretty cool. The one thing that throws me off a bit is that the game is kind of easy? You get absolutely loaded down with grenades and ammo, and your energy sidearm packs quite a punch and can be recharged. I have a feeling that the game was originally harder because the UI in the original was kind of a nightmare, but now that it is easier to use the game is easier overall.
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CuddleCryptid posted:System Shock 1 remake is good, I never actually played the original (just SS2) so I can't comment on how it "changed" but what I've seen is pretty cool. yeah the original wasn't particularly hard. you can pump the difficulty if you like. it's mainly about wandering round the spooky space station. I actually miss the dart gun a tiny bit, I always thought that was cool and unusual for a videogame. i've seen people complaining about the graphics but I love the approach they've taken (they look modern, if chunky, from a distance, then when you get close it's all pixellated). it's a good combination of effective and nostalgic.
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John Murdoch posted:Lotta people itt glossing over how most battle passes let you buy progress. They aren't necessarily a one time fee. Though at least some have long since removed the most overt FOMO pressure by making them never expire once purchased. And/or not making their contents 100% never coming back ultra exclusive. In most battlepass systems that buying levels thing is just a trap option for the stupidest whales. A few are really bad about it though, for example Dota2 which actually maybe was the first game to do a battlepass(?), or at least did it before fortnite. They had a thing in 2021 with a unique "arcana" skin for Spectre that was only available by buying $150+ worth of levels in the battlepass. It was impossible to get a high enough level just by doing the free missions (even after already paying to unlock the battlepass in the first place). here's a contemporary resetera thread about it (i couldn't find any proper articles, maybe my google-fu is weak) resetera guy posted:So what happened? e: deep dish peat moss posted:Yeah, I didn't particularly dislike Titanfall 2, but I mostly like games that do new or novel things and TF2 felt like a refined version of the AAA FPS which is something I'm not too interested in. the multiplayer was the great part about Titanfall, the movement was really fun and unique and definitely felt unlike what every other multiplayer fps was doing (except tribes ascend which also had cool movement  )i didn't care about or even play the single player campaign RPATDO_LAMD fucked around with this message at 04:52 on May 31, 2023 |
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:In most battlepass systems that buying levels thing is just a trap option for the stupidest whales. I played Dota2 for a while, that battlepass was always such a whale pumper (and I knew an IRL whale who loved them, sigh), but goddamn that's extra lovely, even for Dota.
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I love the casual mention of how it was extra bad because they didn't include the ability to gamble on your own matches for more progress credit.
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I'm enjoying the SS1 remake a lot. It's really obviously just SS1 but dejankified (holy crap was the original clunky) and prettified.
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John Murdoch posted:I love the casual mention of how it was extra bad because they didn't include the ability to gamble on your own matches for more progress credit. iirc (I never bought a pass), the gambling chits where "free" and so firmly fell into a "use them or lose them" category - people where spending them willy-nilly, even on doomed matchups. It was highlighted in that post as just another way the ceiling was lowered for non-payment progression opportunities. In hindsight, they probably had to be implemented as such in order to avoid gambling laws.
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Did a recent update break the Friends list? If I click the drop down arrows to toggle my visibility, the menu doesn't appear. If I click the drop down arrow to view a friend's profile / set a nickname, the menu also doesn't appear. I clicked them each like a million times and one time I did get the menu to change my visibility, but the second I moved my mouse it went away.
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Sab669 posted:Did a recent update break the Friends list? It's been broken like that for me for probably months now. I couldn't find a fix when I searched, but maybe I missed something.
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Definitely hasn't been broken that long for me, I use the feature often since adding a coworker  I know he wouldn't narc on me but I still don't like broadcasting when I'm gaming on the clock lol
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Sab669 posted:since adding a coworker Well there's your problem. "Hey Sab669, you play games right? You should add me on steam!" "Actually I do not play any form of video game as I believe that they are an act of creating life that is a sin against God's will, please stop talking to me about them"
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The starship troopers game makes me hate early access. If I wait until they have the official release, will all the servers be dead like every old FPS?
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Sab669 posted:Did a recent update break the Friends list?
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CuddleCryptid posted:Well there's your problem. whereas I’m in a discord server with like a quarter of my company
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ninjoatse.cx posted:The starship troopers game makes me hate early access. If I wait until they have the official release, will all the servers be dead like every old FPS? I hope not and I feel like it's going to be a question of how large and frequent the updates are. If they just drop a new gun or balance tweaks every month then it'll probably get drip fed to death. If they do large updates with some frequency then it might be okay. Imo sometimes with these kinds of games it's better to let the playerbase fall off for a while between updates rather than try to keep numbers up. That way people don't get tired of it from trying to milk every small thing you put out and instead will get excited when stuff actually drops.
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The Kins posted:You can also change your visibility by right clicking one of the Steam icons in your taskbar. Ah sweet, had to go into the Settings to add it there but that works.
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