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These temps are kinda high for a 5600X at ~5% CPU utilization, right? Cooler is a Be Quiet Pure Rock 2. Windows is showing high clocks despite the low utilization:  So, is this a thing where Windows is reporting the wrong clock speed, or is my CPU really not idling properly?
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?meaningless numbers without ambient temp?
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VostokProgram posted:These temps are kinda high for a 5600X at ~5% CPU utilization, right? Can you post the entire hwinfo64 window? I think theres an export, just throw it on imgur and link it or whatever. Its probably normal.
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May 31, 2023 02:34
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I've bent pins on 462/478/939/AM2/AM3 processors but never so bad they weren't easily fixed with a pair of lil tweezers.
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May 31, 2023 02:57
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Seamonster posted:?meaningless numbers without ambient temp? Yeah I forgot to say, ambient temp is less than 20 C. hobbesmaster posted:Can you post the entire hwinfo64 window? I think theres an export, just throw it on imgur and link it or whatever. Doesn't seem to be a way to get the whole table exactly how its laid out in the UI, but the text report has the same info: https://pastebin.com/y8R26NPB
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Idle temps are in general almost meaningless, and are basically impossible to compare with other people. (Besides different coolers and ambient, your "idle" might have more background work than mine.) What's the load temp? If load temp is barely higher than idle, do you have max performance power profile turned on in windows (aka waste all the power) or any "performance tuning" software (including from your mobo maker)? edit: that hwinfo looks totally normal, the CPU sensors are in the high 30s / barely 40s. I'd guess the previous screenshot the OS was a little less "idle" than you thought. (Task manager % utilization can do that, yet another imprecise single number representing something too complex for one number.) VostokProgram posted:Windows is showing high clocks despite the low utilization: Windows task manager clockspeed is highest core during the poll, it's usually high. It's not a very good measure. Better is hwinfo, and best is ryzen master (which shows per-core speed plus sleep vs wake state). Klyith fucked around with this message at 03:18 on May 31, 2023 |
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May 31, 2023 03:08
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FuturePastNow posted:I've bent pins on 462/478/939/AM2/AM3 processors but never so bad they weren't easily fixed with a pair of lil tweezers. I bent some pins on my Socket 939 dual-core upgrade and then when trying to straighten them I broke a bunch straight off. Thing went on to be rock solid stable with a mild overclock for years.
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VostokProgram posted:Yeah I forgot to say, ambient temp is less than 20 C. But ambient in your case is hotter at 32C (very normal reading btw) and your fans are slow. Desktop ryzen will always draw about 20W even with all cores parked so that looks right. Is everything on auto?
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It is very normal to see 4+ GHz in the task manager. What my task manager looks like with a 7800X3D: What my Ryzen Master screen looks like:  This is typical idling behavior. If your CPU doesn't get too hot under load, then I'd just chalk this down to a very lax fan curve that runs your fans at very low RPMs when the CPU is idle, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. You should stop worrying about it and not bother with any changes if this is the case. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 03:19 on May 31, 2023 |
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May 31, 2023 03:17
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runaway dog posted:eh I have the opposite experience, when I built my 4790k system I got my fingernail hooked on the pins of the mobo and bent like 10 pins which I then bent back with like a pen or a pocket knife, was freaking out but it ended up working fine, I even oc'd the cpu a lot. Bending the pins up is less-bad than crushing them down into the socket, at least you can be assured that the pins aren't doing the "you didn't bend the pins back up enough and now they're not contacting but you have no way to telling" thing.
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hobbesmaster posted:But ambient in your case is hotter at 32C (very normal reading btw) Motherboard / SYS temperature is gonna be on the chipset chip, so not the same as ambient. One of those AUX temperatures might be a true ambient, or they might be headers with no sensor reporting a dummy value. Only way to know is hotbox the case and see if they change.
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May 31, 2023 03:22
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Yeah ok its a fan speed thing. With all fans set to 100%, the idle temp is around 37C. And under load (cinebench) it goes to 65C.
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May 31, 2023 03:32
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I bent some pins on my 5600x, fixed them with a razor. I remember fixing pins on a pentium with the ink tube from a ballpoint, those were nice and easy.
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May 31, 2023 04:33
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When I did computer service I had to deal with bent pins sometimes. For me razor blades usually did the trick. It was also at a refurbishing place, so it was nice and low-stakes - I had oodles of parts to work with. That's where my penchant for upgrading to the peak of an older generation of computers really kicked into gear. 4GB of DDR1 on a socket 939 dual-core? Hell yeah!
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May 31, 2023 04:39
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I've recovered at least three AMD CPUs with bent pins, also with razorblades, but I'm terrified of LGA sockets
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May 31, 2023 04:40
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I only rarely worked with LGA sockets, mostly because my supply was entirely dependent on what computers people dropped for recycling, and I think it was pretty close in time to when Intel first starting going all-in on them.
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May 31, 2023 04:43
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I've been building pcs for a while now (pre Athlon days) and never bent a pin. Stop throwing your cpus around the room or whatever y'all are doing.
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May 31, 2023 04:46
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Ive bought and fixed a ton of "as is" old CPUs with bent pins with a mechanical pencil and a razor blade. Had really good luck. I've also fixed a few LGA sockets, but it is a huge, huge pain in the rear end compared to bent CPU pins. LGA really isn't that scary. Done countless swaps with old intel platforms, generally just dont drop poo poo and its fine... but it is absolutely more fragile than yee olden days.
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May 31, 2023 04:50
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Trashpicked pentiums are the best pentiums.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Bending the pins up is less-bad than crushing them down into the socket, at least you can be assured that the pins aren't doing the "you didn't bend the pins back up enough and now they're not contacting but you have no way to telling" thing. I remember having a few that were crushed down too, I guess when my nail hooked my knuckle went in, I remember pulling them up so that they sat higher because I figured all the pins get slightly mashed in anyway when you seat the cpu, it would self level, perhaps I just got lucky. it skeeves me out way more thinking about one of those pins on the pga chip breaking off, especially since I remember there was an influx of people doing it during ryzen 3000, or maybe 2000. though I never had a single problem with any of my pga builds, well I did, but it wasn't because of the socket, it was more because back in those amd athlon days they just had the silicon exposed, and I was a huge dumbass, then another time I bought a Soyo brand motherboard.
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I personally swapped probably 300 motherboards during the capacitor plague of the early 2000s. Mechanical pencil and a guitar pick saved many a CPU from bent pin death.
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nice cheap investment for am5 owners https://twitter.com/oc3d/status/1663856902218850304
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My bequiet cooler came with a similar offset mount when I bought it last year with positioning for AM4 and AM5, and I think Arctic have been doing the offset mount thing for ages as well.
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Oh, that brings up a question I forgot to ask yesterday - if I replace my Intel CPU/MoBo for AMD, will I need a new cooler? Are they specific to cpu/motherboard layout? Might be a dumb question but I've never used AMD before. I have a Noctua NH-D15S.
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Annath posted:Oh, that brings up a question I forgot to ask yesterday - if I replace my Intel CPU/MoBo for AMD, will I need a new cooler? Are they specific to cpu/motherboard layout? If you have the box for it, see if you have the am4 brackets. They work with am5. If not, request the brackets from Noctua, they'll send them for free
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HalloKitty posted:If you have the box for it, see if you have the am4 brackets. They work with am5. If not, request the brackets from Noctua, they'll send them for free I don't have the box/any other items, I bought the cooler over 3 years ago  I'll contact Noctua though!
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Annath posted:Oh, that brings up a question I forgot to ask yesterday - if I replace my Intel CPU/MoBo for AMD, will I need a new cooler? Are they specific to cpu/motherboard layout? Mounting hardware is specific to cpu/mobo (more specifically, to CPU socket type). But most heatsinks come with multiple varieties of mounting hardware. If your NH-D15S dates back from when you got the 6600K, it probably doesn't have AM4 mounting hardware. Annath posted:I don't have the box/any other items, I bought the cooler over 3 years ago This is the order form for the kit you need. You don't need a code form the box, just an invoice / receipt -- if you bought it online you can probably recover that. The downside is you *also* need an invoice from buying an AM4/5 mobo. Which means you buy your new hardware and then have to wait a week or two to get the free upgrade kit. edit: alternately you can just buy the mounting kit straight up for $8 on amazon
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its been [0] days since the last motherboard incident https://twitter.com/wiredscience/status/1663899170774687744
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My motherboard is on the list. At least disabling the feature seems easy: https://eclypsium.com/blog/supply-chain-risk-from-gigabyte-app-center-backdoor/ posted:disable the “APP Center Download & Install” feature in UEFI/BIOS Setup on Gigabyte systems
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Yeah just make sure to disable it each time you update the BIOS. Its on by default usually.
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IMO the main risk to everyone ITT is not that someone will use this to MITM malware onto your PC in some complex scheme. The main risk is that you will have a bunch of crappy mobo software automatically installed behind your back. This is becoming a pretty standard feature. It reduces support costs. Microsoft is in *support* of these types of UEFI-embedded drivers (doubtless they would prefer them to be written more competently). So basically all expert users should keep in the back of their mind that they should look for these features to turn off on setup.
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I want that am5 offset mount, advertised as dropping temperatures by the same amount as the new NH - d15 versus the old NH -d15 so it's like it's like I'm upgrading to the new one almost heh
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rwc5_tDyAg ASRock shows off a DeskMini with a chipset-free AM5 board (X600). The "Taichi Light" boards they're showing are also interesting. If it really is $100 cheaper than the Taichi, then I would've strongly considered the B650E one had it been an option at the time I built my system. edit: The B650E Taichi has only two PCIe slots, and the second (non-GPU) one is disabled if you dare use three m.2 drives, so lmao, maybe not. ASRock is the only company doing that kind of lane sharing in most of their B650 boards and I have no idea why. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rwc5_tDyAg Ha, a crazed fan emailed ASRock directly 8 months ago and their sales were already talking about the Deskmini X600: https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/xwgpvh/asrock_x600_am5_ministx_coming_in_2023q1/ I didn't know it was called X600 until you mentioned it just now.
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The entire point of the X300 is to be completely chipset-less, more of a SoC-like board that you find in a laptop. They also aren't supposed to be available outside of China, but I've seen one at a Danish retailer so  If I can find the budget for it, I've been considering trying to source one and putting in the cheapest Ryzen Pro APU in it, then seeing if it can be passively cooled. EDIT: I don't know how the X600 is supposed to work, considering that Intels ME is embedded in the PCH. Does that mean an Management Engine-less Intel system? BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:The entire point of the X300 is to be completely chipset-less, more of a SoC-like board that you find in a laptop. They also aren't supposed to be available outside of China, but I've seen one at a Danish retailer so X600 is a chipset-free AM5 platform, not Intel.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:X600 is a chipset-free AM5 platform, not Intel. Still would be nice to have some of this to play with; maybe if the price falls a bit more.
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Gigabyte dropped a new bios today that "Addresses Download Assistant Vulnerabilities Reported by Eclypsium Research"
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