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Pook Good Mook posted:They're uncool nerds that no one wants to sit with at lunch. They're bringing the rest of us cool people down with them. Spot the dude that's never seen a tax lawyer.
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Patent troll is the only good profession left in America.
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Sab0921 posted:Patent troll is the only good profession left in America. I didn’t realize Larry Ellison was a goon.
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Jun 2, 2023 17:39
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Jun 2, 2023 17:49
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ulmont posted:Spot the dude that's never seen a tax lawyer.
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EwokEntourage posted:bankruptcy attorneys doing that texas two step bullshit give the rest of a bad name. but but but have you considered what if giant corporations don't like the tort system? what then? would you deny them the right to opt out of it?!?!?!?
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ulmont posted:Spot the dude that's never seen a tax lawyer. Psh, IP lawyers wish they were as cool as tax lawyers.
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evilweasel posted:but but but im sure neal katyal has that oral argument already booked on his calendar
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Opinion that’s going to make people mad: The value of law school is that, compared to undergrad, it is a moderately more fair bloodsport and the inherent acumen necessary to win said bloodsport is vaguely useful when you start working. It isn’t absolute. There are killer lawyers who got bad grades at bad law schools, and on the other side, Yale law grads exist. But it is a helpful heuristic in the first instance.
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Kumete but instead of a crowd chanting it you just join the Federalist Society
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Bushido Brown posted:Opinion that’s going to make people mad: Ehh, the better argument along these lines is that, yes, it is hazing, and so is the bar exam, but both are fairly close approximations of 1) the way judges will treat you and 2) the stress of an actual trial, so they have value respectively in prepping you for those things either of which would be much better arguments if the median lawyer was in court more than once a year, which isn't really the case
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Bushido Brown posted:Opinion that’s going to make people mad: The main value of law school is then being able to work somewhere other than Starbucks with a political science degree
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ulmont posted:Spot the dude that's never seen a tax lawyer. Tax lawyers are the biggest nerds in any firm but they have the highest billing rates so they get some amount of respect. Also they’re the only ones at my firm who know how to make reorg slide decks for some reason. IP lawyers aren’t so much nerds as they are annoying, like they got an actually “useful” undergrad degree and are God’s greatest gift to man even though their value add is inevitably just “hey I know how the USPTO and copyright office websites work”. Bankruptcy attorneys in Texas are great because they’re all Yosemite Sam
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Toona the Cat posted:The main value of law school is then being able to work somewhere other than Starbucks with a political science degree [insert disdainful, thinly veiled elitism here]
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ehh, the better argument along these lines is that, yes, it is hazing, and so is the bar exam, but both are fairly close approximations of 1) the way judges will treat you and 2) the stress of an actual trial, so they have value respectively in prepping you for those things I mean my law school exams were much more akin to "write this brief under a time crunch" which isn't really trial work. But yeah the primary benefit of law schools is the tiering (which did you get in, what was your rank there).
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On a different note, has anyone used Kira Systems for discovery work? I absolutely hate discovery to the point where I'm willing to get my firm to use it so that they can pay me less to never have to draft another round of pointless interrogatories.
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evilweasel posted:I mean my law school exams were much more akin to "write this brief under a time crunch" which isn't really trial work. Yeah it's not actually teaching you any trial skills other than verifying your ability to work and think under a time crunch and intense pressure.
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disjoe posted:Tax lawyers are the biggest nerds in any firm but they have the highest billing rates so they get some amount of respect. Also they’re the only ones at my firm who know how to make reorg slide decks for some reason. Tax lawyers in my experience are part of that accountant/lawyer/rich person tripartite relationship that generates lots more cross-marketing estate planning/m&A/litigation business than litigators can generate transactional business from their clients. Especially if the litigators are casualty/insurance defense.
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People in the law thread, of all places, won't be scandalized by the idea that higher education is often just about filtering. Even I consider the school people attended or their class rank or similar signals (dean's list, whatever) when hiring, and I find that kind of thing to be generally distasteful. But that's an argument against bloated law school curriculums, not in favor. Just make people take a bunch of tests if we're just going to be hazing them and then using their academic achievement as a proxy for lawyering ability.
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Jun 3, 2023 20:55
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Having a bunch of tests works pretty well imo
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I networked in law school instead of studying. Literally first semester of law I stopped studying to go work for a Supreme Court candidate as his driver for his campaign. It’s been a killer reference for me but now I have a decent body of work.
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The Dagda posted:People in the law thread, of all places, won't be scandalized by the idea that higher education is often just about filtering. Even I consider the school people attended or their class rank or similar signals (dean's list, whatever) when hiring, and I find that kind of thing to be generally distasteful. But that's an argument against bloated law school curriculums, not in favor. Just make people take a bunch of tests if we're just going to be hazing them and then using their academic achievement as a proxy for lawyering ability. Yeah but it's a lame form of hazing, unlike, IDK, the hazing you do when some land lubber crosses the line for the first time.
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Toona the Cat posted:I networked in law school instead of studying. Literally first semester of law I stopped studying to go work for a Supreme Court candidate as his driver for his campaign. It’s been a killer reference for me but now I have a decent body of work. yes toona we all know about your style of ... networking
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Toona the Cat posted:I networked in law school instead of studying. Literally first semester of law I stopped studying to go work for a Supreme Court candidate as his driver for his campaign. It’s been a killer reference for me but now I have a decent body of work. Does uber eats check references
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sullat posted:Yeah but it's a lame form of hazing, unlike, IDK, the hazing you do when some land lubber crosses the line for the first time. Gotta suck a cherry off of my toes if you want to be a judge
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I mean if it puts me on the track to get wined and dined by billionaires, sure.
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EwokEntourage posted:im sure neal katyal has that oral argument already booked on his calendar
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Cousin in another state is asking for a good immigration lawyer other than searching google. How did we decide this before? Checking in with the local bar? I forget.
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Shageletic posted:Cousin in another state is asking for a good immigration lawyer other than searching google. How did we decide this before? Checking in with the local bar? I forget. Better to use the AILA referral service in this case than the regular bar one: https://www.ailalawyer.com
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Just sent the site to the person who asked. Thanks!
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So remember this? The lawyers are now in a sanctions hearing that is, uh, not going well https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/1666842357986197506 Piell fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/1666851782239170576 It just keeps getting worse I have vague memories of a guy having a rough hearing with a judge, he hid in the gallery, then when the judge was about to rule he jumped up to defend himself. Anyone remember that and the outcome? trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Christopher Hook! Told opposing counsel in writing to eat a bowl of dicks, among other things. Looks like he was ordered to pay ~18k in sanctions.
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Yes of the famous "tell you what slick, this profession does not need you." It doesn't need Schwartz either, good lord.
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Yep, that's the guy. Feels like an eternity ago, since it happened right before COVID
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Wasn’t that the “10,000,000 gay boys” guy
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Wasn’t that the “10,000,000 gay boys” guy Yes, and he's apparently still practicing: http://cghlaw.com/ "Following my undergraduate degree, I attended Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego, California, where I graduated with a J.D. in May of 2007. I was granted a full academic scholarship to attend Thomas Jefferson after scoring in the top 3% of LSAT (Law School Admissions Test) takers in 2002. While in law school, I was a member of the Admiralty Law Society, and team captain of the Duberstein Bankruptcy Moot Court competition team, competing in a national competition held at St. John’s University in New York."
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Furious Lobster posted:On a different note, has anyone used Kira Systems for discovery work? I absolutely hate discovery to the point where I'm willing to get my firm to use it so that they can pay me less to never have to draft another round of pointless interrogatories. I use Kira extensively for contract review but never discovery. Not sure it would be very useful in that regard. The license, from what I've been told, is not cheap. But I hear this new fangled thing called ChatGPT will create case law for you. Compusaurus fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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I read the briefing in the ChatGPT case, and while it is really funny, I do think this is a case of old people being old (and also cheap).
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Tokelau All Star posted:I read the briefing in the ChatGPT case, and while it is really funny, I do think this is a case of old people being old (and also cheap). All of those fuckers saying they rely on loving fastcase is just mind boggling. It really is insufficient compared to west/lexis.
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