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I mostly just continue to be amused that they capped off the epic and gritty Dark Knight Trilogy with "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb."
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Keromaru5 posted:I mostly just continue to be amused that they capped off the epic and gritty Dark Knight Trilogy with "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb." It was the best possible form of tribute.
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poo poo with MCU reminds me oddly of American Horror Story, the third season Coven. Starts out strong but by the time multiple characters get killed and are brought back within the same or next episode, there's just no real tension. OMG he's dead! Ah well call Dr. Strange to fix this. The Andrew Garfield Spiderman actually was a bit of fresh air with him not saving the girl in the end. How It Should Have Ended did a great episode about that, but I can see why people didn't like the movie's ending.
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actually here's a thing about Batman 3. a city gov was able to pass a law to ignore constitutional rights, and the rest of the US Fed and what ever state Gotham is in was like. "okay" until it wasnt okay.
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credburn posted:... thinking about the goofiest and dumbest outcome of the trilogy... PhazonLink posted:a city gov was able to pass a law to ignore constitutional rights, and the rest of the US Fed and what ever state Gotham is in was like. "okay" until it wasnt okay.
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Basebf555 posted:I think the problem the MCU is running into is similar to what happens in comics in general which is the constant need for escalation. Like, this is the first time a superhero franchise/series has made it long enough to get to the point where they even were able to do that huge Cosmic World-Killing Villain story, but once you do that where do you go from there? After Thanos what villain will feel worthy of centering a whole run of 8-10 movies around? All of the sudden you need multiple universes in peril instead of just one, or else we're going backwards. What if the mcu was one film every couple years instead of multiple a day
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The MCU (re)discovered the concept of the movie serial. Caught an advanced screening of The Flash and I think I'm done with multiverses*. There are more things that I'm irritated with that movie but I need to go to bed, so I'll make another post tomorrow. *(buys ticket for Spider-Man: Across the Spiderverse
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BiggerBoat posted:The main problem with multiverse and time travel stories - in the films as well as the comics - is that it robs any story you tell of any stakes whatsoever…
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The first spider verse movie was pretty badass. I didn't realize Chris pine could fit Peter as a voice but damned if he didn't nail it.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:GOTG3 delivered because it was just GOTG3 and nothing else. The villain doesn't turn out to be Kang or some bullshit. I still find it lol that they're probably going to have to change tack after all that Kang build up Also the thing is the multiverse stuff with Spider-man specifically is used to highlight personal journeys, and kinda metafictionally to explore the archetype. Like, Spider-verse and No Way Home both in their own ways expect and acknowledge that most of the audience has seen other Spider-man works and movies and knows the gist, the 'multiverse' is specifically an analogy for all the different adaptations. And it's not the first franchise to do this.
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BiggerBoat posted:The main problem with multiverse and time travel stories - in the films as well as the comics - is that it robs any story you tell of any stakes whatsoever; in a medium already with hardly any stakes at all. I mean, we know that Spiderman, Daredevil or Batman aren't ever going to die in any meaningful sense but the time travel/alternate universe stuff just runs into the Superman '78 issue of "why he just can't turn back time every time every time he fucks up or Lois gets killed?" "Powerless" had this really great gag in which Lois Lane dies, and everyone takes for granted that Superman is going to turn back time, so they can do whatever they want with no consequences. But then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_WdZBBnRAo SimonChris has a new favorite as of 08:29 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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PhazonLink posted:actually here's a thing about Batman 3.
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SimonChris posted:"Powerless" had this really great gag in which Lois Lane dies, and everyone takes for granted that Superman is going to turn back time, so they can do whatever they want with no consequences. But then: This brought to mind that I'd really like to see a TV or movie version of the Marvel Ruins graphic novels. I know Marvel has the whole What If series but Ruins was pretty gritty & messed up with how it handled the "alternate" versions of heroes. Incredible Hulk & Fantastic 4 were a couple of my favorites, the illustration & description of events was pretty gruesome.
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BOOTY-ADE posted:This brought to mind that I'd really like to see a TV or movie version of the Marvel Ruins graphic novels. I know Marvel has the whole What If series but Ruins was pretty gritty & messed up with how it handled the "alternate" versions of heroes. Incredible Hulk & Fantastic 4 were a couple of my favorites, the illustration & description of events was pretty gruesome. Eh. Warren Ellis sometimes goes full edgelord and I think Ruins was one of those times. "What if JEAN GREY was a TEENAGE PROSTITUTE, heh heh!" His best Marvel stories I've read were the Norman Osborn-led Thunderbolts and the first Extremis arc on Iron Man (which got absolutely butchered for Iron Man 3, in part because the director sidelined the women and Asian antagonists in a desperate grasp for the nearest white guy).
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Fair enough, yeah...I didn't care for the Jean angle either but stuff with F4, Avengers, Hulk & the Kree were all pretty cool. Just fun to see an alt take that isn't "we switched this person's powers/side to that/those people instead"
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Ruins was a neat idea but it boiled down to "what if everyone in the marvel universe rolled a critical failure at every decision". After a while it just got kinda boring with the relentless misery porn. Beautiful art though.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Ruins was a neat idea but it boiled down to "what if everyone in the marvel universe rolled a critical failure at every decision". After a while it just got kinda boring with the relentless misery porn. I found it funny that Mystique had a condition where her brain would implode and she'd die horrifically if she doesn't take her medication, and she...forgets to bring it with her. Seems like something that'd be tough to forget
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Stonehouse Beach posted:Eh. Warren Ellis sometimes goes full edgelord My first reaction was "What the gently caress do you mean SOMETIMES?!" and then I realized I was thinking of Garth Ennis.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Ruins was a neat idea but it boiled down to "what if everyone in the marvel universe rolled a critical failure at every decision". After a while it just got kinda boring with the relentless misery porn. I think Ellis has always said that Ruins was a really, really dark joke and I guess if you read it that way the repeated, relentless critical fails could be funny.
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The gag that this is so much of a doomed universe that the narrator drops dead before he actually finishes telling its story is pretty good.
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Morpheus posted:I found it funny that Mystique had a condition where her brain would implode and she'd die horrifically if she doesn't take her medication, and she...forgets to bring it with her. Seems like something that'd be tough to forget Only once.
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Angry Salami posted:The gag that this is so much of a doomed universe that the narrator drops dead before he actually finishes telling its story is pretty good. yeah i thought it was pretty decent. if Marvel multiverse has infinite universea then there has to be at least one where everything goes wrong in the worst possible way. this one was it. the most cursed universe
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Sally posted:yeah i thought it was pretty decent. if Marvel multiverse has infinite universea then there has to be at least one where everything goes wrong in the worst possible way. this one was it. the most cursed universe Does it only go wrong for the heroes, or for the villains too? Like, does Galactus try to eat earth but dies when it gets stuck in his throat and there is nobody there to do the Heimlich on him?
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it focuses mostly on heroes from what i recall... i guess implication is the villains couldnt even get going cause things were so lovely. the accidents that make them villains kills them off instead or they cant rise to a level of villainous success. Wilson Fisk is just a prison warden. Doom winds up going with Reed Richards into space instead of Ben Grimm and they all die in the space accident. it is possible Galactus died choking on something. his corpse is found orbitting Mars and the news is like "Hey folks so... we found god and it turns out He IS dead..."
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galactus dead: https://blogintomystery.com/2012/08/27/warren-ellis-flips-marvels-on-its-head-and-clubs-it-like-a-baby-seal-ruins/ruins1b/
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Sally posted:it focuses mostly on heroes from what i recall... i guess implication is the villains couldnt even get going cause things were so lovely. the accidents that make them villains kills them off instead or they cant rise to a level of villainous success. Wilson Fisk is just a prison warden. Doom winds up going with Reed Richards into space instead of Ben Grimm and they all die in the space accident. I guess I have to read Marvel Ruins, that's hilarious.
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Zero_Grade posted:In Harley Quinn, Gotham gets straight up kicked out of the US. Which is taken right from the No Man's Land arc in the comics. A huge earthquake results in the US federal government declaring Gotham no longer part of the United States to completely wash their hands of it rather than put in any effort to help. It seemed silly at the time. Sally posted:it focuses mostly on heroes from what i recall... i guess implication is the villains couldnt even get going cause things were so lovely. the accidents that make them villains kills them off instead or they cant rise to a level of villainous success. Wilson Fisk is just a prison warden. Doom winds up going with Reed Richards into space instead of Ben Grimm and they all die in the space accident. Planetary iirc has what's implied to be not-Galactus' ship with a big skeleton on the throne.
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tbf if I was the government and saw what was happening in Gotham on a weekly basis I'd want to cut it off from the rest of the country too
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a huge earthquake in what should be a east coastal city too. sure. also yeah Gotham has normal street crime boys that have 3 digit kill counts, but why cut off all that GDP and taxation.
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PhazonLink posted:a huge earthquake in what should be a east coastal city too. sure. The only one who makes any money there is Wayne enterprises and like hell they're paying taxes.
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dr_rat posted:The only one who makes any money there is Wayne enterprises and like hell they're paying taxes. The IRS keeps trying to catch the organized crime families on tax evasion like al capone but every time they get halfway through building a case their target gets killed off by some new rear end in a top hat in purple spandex calling himself Knifeface or something
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PhazonLink posted:a huge earthquake in what should be a east coastal city too. sure. I mean it's Gotham, there's probably earthquake machines, hidden underground kingdoms of mole men, and Cthulhu sleeping somewhere down there.
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Sally posted:galactus dead: https://blogintomystery.com/2012/08/27/warren-ellis-flips-marvels-on-its-head-and-clubs-it-like-a-baby-seal-ruins/ruins1b/ I love how they made sure to use corps instead of corpse on the cover. Weekly world enquiry top level journalism. The injustice series is like ruins, in the "all the good guys somehow roll a one even after a victory" kind of way. Has some good art, has some bad art, surprisingly good story considering it came off a Mortal Kombat clone.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I love how they made sure to use corps instead of corpse on the cover. Weekly world enquiry top level journalism. Injustice literally uses the Mortal Kombat engine iirc and even has some guest characters.
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Yea, it's the offshoot sequel from DC vs Mortal Kombat from a few years previous. That was a fun game too. The comic series for injustice is basically the lead up to the game. Same with the sequel series.
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Zero_Grade posted:In Harley Quinn, Gotham gets straight up kicked out of the US. In Harley Quinn, Gotham is actually a functioning city because they elected the Joker as mayor and put Bruce Wayne in jail.
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That show did more with the Joker to make him interesting than the last 30 years of DC comics.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:That show did more with the Joker to make him interesting than the last 30 years of DC comics. That's literally every animated adaptation of comics since the 90s.
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PhazonLink posted:a huge earthquake in what should be a east coastal city too. sure. Oh man wait until you find out about the New Madrid fault. Or the quake that cracked the Washington monument a decade ago.
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