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Atlas Hugged posted:I am the nerdiest of nerds. feedmyleg posted:What the hell is that ship supposed to be "Star Fleet Battles" is basically the Franz Joseph Technical Manual Extended Universe (except more fashy, maybe? Might be confusing that with something else), and all the ships in the 70s manual were just kitbashes of the Connie 1 silhouette to make ship sizes that were smaller and larger along the 20th century navy corvette - frigate - destroyer - cruiser - heavy cruiser/battlecruiser - battleship spectrum. If it's not specifically from that book, you can nevertheless see how it's supposed to be a "constitution but more petite" design that goes along those "use the exact same parts but make them smaller/bigger or more/less of them" Franz Joseph style rather than what we see with Reliant/the Miranda class vs Enterprise/Connie 2 in the 80s or the Nebula and others vs Galaxy in 90s trek where they have similar parts and aesthetics but the overall ship silhouette isn't basically identical. E: A shameful snipe. Here is a fanmade cutaway of the Reliant as penance 
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bennyfactor posted:E: A shameful snipe. Here is a fanmade cutaway of the Reliant as penance I think that ship hit a patch of phased space or other some such bullshit
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bennyfactor posted:"Star Fleet Battles" is basically the Franz Joseph Technical Manual Extended Universe I used to love this game back in like ‘81-82. The rules were so drat crunchy it might take two hours or more to play out a 1v1 duel, though. The newer one called Federation Commander is more simplified, easier to play and quicker to learn/teach.
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In the Pale Moonlight is great, but I always saw is a Sisko being the villain there. Like his speech is incredible, but to me it always was meant to be a dark moment in his life. Its shot triumphantly, but if he really could live with it, he'd have turned himself in. Certainly Admiral Leyton would be proud of what Sisko had done there.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Does anyone remember the game Star Trek: Legacy? I got it for Christmas, installed it on my PC, and was very disappointed with it. Maybe I'd like it better now; I don't remember now why I was dissatisfied. This was 2006 or so. Legacy was... not good, but there's a mod out there for it, I think it's called The Ultimate Universe, that really improved it substantially. Not enough to salvage its flaws, but it at least made the game look and feel a whole lot better.
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Brawnfire posted:I think that ship hit a patch of phased space or other some such bullshit lol it's not that it's really bad — it's certainly better than anything i could do by hand — but there's a bunch of bizarre errors that make it pretty funny
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Eimi posted:In the Pale Moonlight is great, but I always saw is a Sisko being the villain there. Like his speech is incredible, but to me it always was meant to be a dark moment in his life. Its shot triumphantly, but if he really could live with it, he'd have turned himself in. Certainly Admiral Leyton would be proud of what Sisko had done there. This is part of what makes it great, imo
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Eimi posted:In the Pale Moonlight is great, but I always saw is a Sisko being the villain there. Like his speech is incredible, but to me it always was meant to be a dark moment in his life. Its shot triumphantly, but if he really could live with it, he'd have turned himself in. Certainly Admiral Leyton would be proud of what Sisko had done there. The entire point is that nobody can actually know what he did or the Romulan alliance would have fallen apart and it would have all been for nothing. He can live with keeping it a secret because telling anybody would risk the Romulans finding out.
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MrMojok posted:I used to love this game back in like ‘81-82. The rules were so drat crunchy it might take two hours or more to play out a 1v1 duel, though. My SO plays it and just won a tournament. They allotted something like 6 hours per game and two games per day across three days, though he got out really early on the second game on the second day and swung by my place. I treated him to a victory dinner which I attributed to his victory in the last two games, no other possible reason for why he won obviously. I've played it a few times with him and I think I actually have won more times than he beat me, but the only ship I know how to use and feel like using is (because of its relative simplicity in a game that might be a little too much even for me, a BattleTech Player) the Federation "Command Cruiser" tournament ship. I really like it because it has an incredible line of death directly in front of it where it can shoot all of its weapons in a deadly alpha strike, and every one of my victories was managing to pull that off. Ironically in that tournament one of his games had an opponent using that ship who managed to pull off the alpha strike but got soul-crushing die rolls.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:The entire point is that nobody can actually know what he did or the Romulan alliance would have fallen apart and it would have all been for nothing. He can live with keeping it a secret because telling anybody would risk the Romulans finding out. Which shows a pretty deep misunderstanding of their psychology. In the spinoff stuff the Romulans find out about it and are like 'ah the Federation are finally willing to take things seriously like adults'
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I like that when Odo tries to create complex clothing it's often a little off, like his Belt in some episodes is clearly a single piece that would be impossible to adjust, it just has the vague shape of a buckle with none of the function. Similarly in His Way, the "bow tie" is slightly off, it's the wrong shape, and layered incorrectly as it's under his shirt collar instead of sticking out of the front like it should be. Unless that's an older style of tie that I'm unfamiliar with. :P
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Beeftweeter posted:obviously gene is first, but who is second? Chakotay
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The Reckoning was a fun episode, AKA: Dragonball Pah.
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Tunicate posted:Which shows a pretty deep misunderstanding of their psychology.  Tunicate posted:In the spinoff stuff the Romulans find out about it and are like 'ah the Federation are finally willing to take things seriously like adults' what spinoff stuff?
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Profit and Lace is a dumb episode, but the bodyguard's performances help it. It's fun to see Zek and Brunt's muscle square off against one another when they are in the same room. 
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Eimi posted:In the Pale Moonlight is great, but I always saw is a Sisko being the villain there. Like his speech is incredible, but to me it always was meant to be a dark moment in his life. Its shot triumphantly, but if he really could live with it, he'd have turned himself in. Certainly Admiral Leyton would be proud of what Sisko had done there. starfleet had a good idea of most of it, or at least that was my reading of it this morning- sisko mentions having to clear the plan with headquarters to garak and bashir gets pissed off about the bio gel transfer and makes a deliberate paperwork trail to cover himself for me it's probably one of, if not the best episode of trek but I wouldn't recommend it for someone new to the series because it relies so much on the previous 6 seasons worth of character development- this is behaviour sisko detests but has been manipulated by foul circumstance into accepting, and it only really hits hard with that previous character development
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Profit and Lace has a weird ending because you'd expect the episode to be immensely transphobic, but as far as the cola merchant is concerned Lumba is a female, regardless of her former name and occupation/gender, and Brunt's just deadnaming her and misgendering her. It's weirdly not as bad about that sort of thing as many 90s stories touching on that kind of idea.
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I have a bunch of the Federation Commander packs, but I haven't yet had an opportunity to play them. My son is way more interested in Battletech and there are only so many hex and chit games a 7 year old can keep track of. Maybe when Strange New Worlds season 2 starts he'll start to get excited about it. Anyway, this card game looked like an interesting entry point for Star Trek gaming. I've glanced through the rules and it's more or less an elaborate game of paper-scissors-rock where you hope you have a ship in your fleet with the ability to hurl the rock you have in your hand or another than can wield the scissors when someone comes at you with paper. The Star Fleet Battles universe is pretty whacky though. Their license is incredibly restrictive about what they can and can't say and what references they're allowed to make. I'm amazed that they've managed to keep it going and that Paramount hasn't tried to kill it off because it's weird legacy media at this point.
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"It is dangerous to leave Bajor, you must walk the chosen path" "Why is it dangerous?" "NO SEQUENCE BREAKING! Follow the story triggers in order, you are underlevelled for Cardassia!"
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Also, I just watched Vortex. That was a great way to introduce the mystery of Odo's origins.
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BioEnchanted posted:Similarly in His Way, the "bow tie" is slightly off, it's the wrong shape, and layered incorrectly as it's under his shirt collar instead of sticking out of the front like it should be. Unless that's an older style of tie that I'm unfamiliar with. :P That’s one of the ways bow ties used to be worn, yes. The bow tuck. Sometimes you still see it.
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The_Doctor posted:That’s one of the ways bow ties used to be worn, yes. The bow tuck. Sometimes you still see it. like in your avatar
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I always like when a primary villain gets shown up by a secondary antagonist, like when Weyoun tries to butter up Kai Winn and this happens: "It seems were are more alike than you initially thought." *Kai Winn grabs Weyoun's ear to check his Pah* "No, we're not." She's just so condescending to him and it's really fun to watch. He's so speechless and she's just like 
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And she's right. Weyoun is truly loyal to his gods. She is not.
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The Prophets don't deserve anyone's loyalty.
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Angry Salami posted:The Prophets don't deserve anyone's loyalty.
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THE PAH-WRAITH DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!
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I'm watching the Storyteller. Did they have two half finished scripts and rather than developing them they just stapled them together? Mind you, I don't really hate either plot, they're just both thin and don't feel connected in the slightest.
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I'm at the start of season 7, I like the stuff with Garak's claustrophobia getting worse due to his anxiety about his part in the war. Onto the baseball game episode next. Also the stuff with the return of Benny the Writer was fun, I thought he was just a one-off. I also like that Weyoun is clearly not enjoying being stuck with Damar as his primary contact after Dukat's breakdown. He's stuck with a lovely, bargain bin cardassian and he knows it.
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BioEnchanted posted:I'm at the start of season 7, I like the stuff with Garak's claustrophobia getting worse due to his anxiety about his part in the war. Onto the baseball game episode next. Also the stuff with the return of Benny the Writer was fun, I thought he was just a one-off. I also like that Weyoun is clearly not enjoying being stuck with Damar as his primary contact after Dukat's breakdown. He's stuck with a lovely, bargain bin cardassian and he knows it. Damar knows it too.
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Nog clearly not a fan of fetch quests. Edit: Wait, do we think he paid off his father's debt, or is that just a Rom problem from now on? Atlas Hugged fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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I like them taunting the vulcan at the end of the baseball game episode. "I refuse to take part in this human game of taunting." "Human? Did I forget to wear my spots today?" "All that intelligence and he doesn't even know what a human looks like!" Also in a way Worf is very Vulcan in a lot of ways. He has the same backstory, started off incredibly uncontrolled and passionate, this caused people to get hurt so he shut himself down and stopped expressing himself as much. BioEnchanted fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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Atlas Hugged posted:I'm watching the Storyteller. Did they have two half finished scripts and rather than developing them they just stapled them together? Old Man Yells at Cloud: The Episode might be the most complete zero of a show DS9 ever made.
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I always forget the Storyteller is a DS9 episode and looking it up it was originally supposed to be a TNG script so that makes a lot of sense to me. Also, when I think about it, Damar's character arc really might be the most compelling in the entire series. Thug to tragic alcoholic to flawed and desperate leader to straight up revolutionary martyr
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The baseball episode is fun behind the scenes because apparently Nana Visitor was the actual worst player on the cast, she couldn't throw or catch a ball at all. Meanwhile, Rom's actor Max Grodénchik was a semi-pro player who literally could not play badly enough for the script and had to do everything left handed
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There is an amusing unintentional parallel with the wonky treatment of the mentally ill, especially the episode Chrysalis - to be fair to the show, Serena wasn't born autistic and then fixed, she got hosed up artificially due to poorly done procedures, but the parallel comes in the gross relationship she enters into with Bashir given his position. The parallel is this - Bashir is constantly telling Serena that she doesn't "Belong" with her friends and doesn't seem to care too much that they are going to be stuck at the institute, so seems to see them as limited in ways that him and Serena aren't (this wouldn't have the same problem if he was willing to try to help the others adapt; not necessarily fix, but adapt; but he doesn't seem to care as they aren't his pet project - her joining society isn't the problem, it's the callous separation from the other three with no regard for their personal development). Also he's overly familiar with her despite her barely knowing him outside their medical relationship, and he's trying to convince him to join other people like himself in the space station, aka functional people. He's behaving like the female changeling.
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Soul Dentist posted:I always forget the Storyteller is a DS9 episode and looking it up it was originally supposed to be a TNG script so that makes a lot of sense to me. 
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It feels Ezri Dax is a more effective counsellor than Troi was, she's always available to jump on a situation that could turn ugly and try to defuse it before things get to embittered.
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BioEnchanted posted:It feels Ezri Dax is a more effective counsellor than Troi was, she's always available to jump on a situation that could turn ugly and try to defuse it before things get to embittered. She's a great character even though she was dumped into the worst circumstances, from a creative standpoint, and hence gets attached to a few mediocre bits of storytelling. Ultimately she pulls through and has some standout moments despite everything.
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BioEnchanted posted:There is an amusing unintentional parallel with the wonky treatment of the mentally ill, especially the episode Chrysalis - to be fair to the show, Serena wasn't born autistic and then fixed, she got hosed up artificially due to poorly done procedures, but the parallel comes in the gross relationship she enters into with Bashir given his position. The parallel is this - Bashir is constantly telling Serena that she doesn't "Belong" with her friends and doesn't seem to care too much that they are going to be stuck at the institute, so seems to see them as limited in ways that him and Serena aren't (this wouldn't have the same problem if he was willing to try to help the others adapt; not necessarily fix, but adapt; but he doesn't seem to care as they aren't his pet project - her joining society isn't the problem, it's the callous separation from the other three with no regard for their personal development). Also he's overly familiar with her despite her barely knowing him outside their medical relationship, and he's trying to convince him to join other people like himself in the space station, aka functional people. He's behaving like the female changeling. I mean being functional is better than being non-functional and being heavily reliant on others for even simple day to day tasks. It also gives them a lot more freedom. The others realistically are going to be stuck at the institute for the rest of their lives because there is no cure for their condition. It'd be like giving a non-verbal autistic person the ability to communicate and the ability to live on their own.
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