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Jaytan posted:I’m pretty convinced this whole build guide thing is a product of path of exile trauma where it’s possible to spend all your points and have a character that doesn’t do anything. FFT posted:I wouldn't be surprised if this didn't eventually become deliberate in design to lean into the multiplayer aspect. rap music posted:do you keep open side quests after beating campaign and moving on to wt3? DaveKap fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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do you keep open side quests after beating campaign and moving on to wt3?
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Jun 4, 2023 12:16
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I think this form of rebalancing was to be expected. They’ve been touting how proud they are of their ability to rebalance quickly on the fly to address class balance issues ever since the Necro rebalancing during one of the play tests. I think they’re going to do this whenever a particular build is head and shoulders above the rest. Hopefully the effects are less jarring in the future. This is a unique situation in that the theory crafters got that 7-10 day access and were able to figure out insanely OP stuff right before the game first launched.
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Jun 4, 2023 12:18
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I took a break from dying to random super uniques in WTII hardcore and I'm having a jolly time cruising around WTI with a highly mobile flickering arc lash sorcerer. I think I'll try to get all the altars and regional rewards before going back to barbarian.
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Jun 4, 2023 12:30
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Ehud posted:I think this form of rebalancing was to be expected. They’ve been touting how proud they are of their ability to rebalance quickly on the fly to address class balance issues ever since the Necro rebalancing during one of the play tests. The downside is always that if all decisions lead to similar outcome in terms of player power (plus or minus twenty percent or whatever) then the decisions become a lot less meaningful, but that's a fundamental trade-off in ARPG design I guess
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Jun 4, 2023 12:32
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hell yeah 2 leggies off a t gob
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Jun 4, 2023 12:34
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I don’t follow streamers or whatever, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they especially don’t want the game to fully release in a state where it’s possible to follow a guide and get tanky and strong enough to not have to engage with combat at all. That certainly wouldn’t offer a nice first impression. A big round of nerfs after 2 days isn’t really a good look, but it’s better than the game being super easy if you happen to take the right skills. Especially if one point by which the game differentiates itself from its competitors is in combat feel.
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Jun 4, 2023 12:35
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I've been thinking about loving with golems and that iron golem buff is calling my name for tomorrow night.
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rap music posted:hell yeah 2 leggies off a t gob I found a cellar with 3 treasure goblins, that was fun.
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Jun 4, 2023 12:40
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I ripped through the story and wt3 unlock capstone dungeon as a summon necro and come back to the thread to see I'm getting buffs?
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Jun 4, 2023 12:44
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I mean maybe actually play a bit to see how it shakes out. Folks were crying about the nerf to bone spear crit but it still feels…fine? There are problems when there is one “right” answer for every class, too.
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Jun 4, 2023 12:46
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Will keep an eye on this game but it sounds better than I expected (though we'll see how the devs can gently caress that up) at least from the review or two I've read. I just didn't have any fun in the beta at all, it felt like a slog. Maybe the real full game is better but I still want to see how this shakes out.
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Jun 4, 2023 12:59
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Suburban Dad posted:Will keep an eye on this game but it sounds better than I expected (though we'll see how the devs can gently caress that up) at least from the review or two I've read. I just didn't have any fun in the beta at all, it felt like a slog. Maybe the real full game is better but I still want to see how this shakes out. I liked the beta pretty good, so this may not apply if you hated it, but part of what makes the full game fun is just there being so much poo poo to do (that I WANT to do, not that I feel obligated to). I haven't even made it as far through the story as I did in the beta and I've played a bunch, just because I keep getting distracted by sidequest hooks or cool-looking Legendary Aspects in dungeons or world events I've never seen before. The map is huge and an enormous portion of it is open to you right off the bat, and it's legitimately fun to just explore. That was probably the biggest surprise of the game for me.
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Jun 4, 2023 13:13
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I spent like 3 hours last night trying to get the barb gloves only to find out they were disabled and I wasted tons of time and resources. Going to play through hell content and be done with the game until season two or three, plenty of time for them to balance and add new stuff.
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Jun 4, 2023 13:16
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Yeah I thought the beta was bad and uou can't trust people for a few weeks after they drop big bucks on a game particularly a hype one like this
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Jun 4, 2023 13:19
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Are there any classes that drop their basic skill and just run a core skill for damage and have decent resource generation? Blizzard leaning into builder/spender for every class with basic attacks feeling so trash is lame. And the Barbarian whirlwind changes kinda shows that's how they want things to be, no easy resource generation, you must hit your basic attacks a few times before your core skill
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Jun 4, 2023 13:30
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i am not 16 anymore. i cant stay up until 3am playing videogames on a work day. gently caress my life.
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queeb posted:Are there any classes that drop their basic skill and just run a core skill for damage and have decent resource generation? Blizzard leaning into builder/spender for every class with basic attacks feeling so trash is lame. And the Barbarian whirlwind changes kinda shows that's how they want things to be, no easy resource generation, you must hit your basic attacks a few times before your core skill Not AFAIK. Blizzard wants everything to be builder / spender. I miss health and mana for everyone and mana potions the most.
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goferchan posted:I liked the beta pretty good, so this may not apply if you hated it, but part of what makes the full game fun is just there being so much poo poo to do (that I WANT to do, not that I feel obligated to). I haven't even made it as far through the story as I did in the beta and I've played a bunch, just because I keep getting distracted by sidequest hooks or cool-looking Legendary Aspects in dungeons or world events I've never seen before. The map is huge and an enormous portion of it is open to you right off the bat, and it's legitimately fun to just explore. That was probably the biggest surprise of the game for me. I'm playing Zelda right now and this is what I'm going through currently. Another reason why I want to wait to space it out a bit. Games are too loving big. The mmo stuff is a turn off for me and still want to see how bad the shop/battle pass/whatever is. Communist Thoughts posted:Yeah I thought the beta was bad and uou can't trust people for a few weeks after they drop big bucks on a game particularly a hype one like this
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rap music posted:do you keep open side quests after beating campaign and moving on to wt3?
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queeb posted:Are there any classes that drop their basic skill and just run a core skill for damage and have decent resource generation? Blizzard leaning into builder/spender for every class with basic attacks feeling so trash is lame. And the Barbarian whirlwind changes kinda shows that's how they want things to be, no easy resource generation, you must hit your basic attacks a few times before your core skill Probably possible to pull this off with bone spear since so much of your resource comes from corpse explosion. But they also just nerfed that a bit and there are definitely times (usually bosses) where you have no corpses and no essence. Maybe the endgame build with uniques where you're also building essence from the blight ability
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Jun 4, 2023 13:50
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exquisite tea posted:This is a preview of Blizzard's future approach to balancing this game. If you can get an endgame build up and running in 2 days, then you're not sticking around long enough to buy all the battlepass content, and you gotta keep the lights on somehow! I mean yes, this will absolutely be what they do, but it's kind of weird seeing the surprise as it's anything but new. The third time they murdered wizard during the first two weeks I shelved D3 until the expansion. I'm sure part of it is the dumb perception that the game is easy/lacks content because xXx_TittyBarb_xXx streamed it for 200 hours straight and has nothing left to do.
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Jun 4, 2023 13:53
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These balance changes should have been in the build we started on, and with patch notes posted. Blizzard shouldn't have been doing any balance changes until the season 1 patch, outside of tuning down the Barb gloves that are clearly breaking the game and letting people kill T3 world bosses in 60 seconds. Also, a lot of these changes are very reactionary, and don't seem based on good data. They destroyed Necro minions based on level 25 twinked out Act 1 Necros in the open beta. I'm glad I didn't change over to Arc Lash yesterday. I found all the gear I was going to imprint and decided to do that today. Feel bad for the players who did destroy the gear they needed for other builds.
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Jun 4, 2023 13:59
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when i looked at twitch yesterday afternoon the top 5 d4 streamers by viewers were all barbs. it probably needed a nerf. if people explore a variety of builds there is more fun stuff for fans to discuss. stuff like maxroll and twitch actively makes ARPG game and season launches worse imo. making your own build in d4 is doing it right
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Jun 4, 2023 14:03
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i hope someone makes a mod that makes all classes absolutely bonkers OP if you get the right items and skills. Nerfing poo poo in a single player arpg is dumb as balls and in this case just shows they’re trying to pad the play time. lmao
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Jun 4, 2023 14:06
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Constant balance changes are great. Blizz should ignore all the meta zombies and keep doing what they are currently doing. The meta zombies cried for years about LoL's constant patches but Riot ignored them and it worked out great for that game.
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Because balancing is inherently hard and inherently iterative, I am sympathetic to Blizzard's desire to quickly fix a few outlier builds and start getting fresh data, rather than "saving up" all their changes for the next ~45 days and praying they can magically fix everything in a single big pass as season 1 starts. We are still technically in an early access period and doing this kind of thing now makes some sense. I can understand feeling like they want to spend this pre-season time where people are mostly just playing through the campaign and getting to know the game as an opportunity to bash balance into the best place they can get before season 1 starts, because it will be a lot harder to justify these kinds of changes once we are in seasonal time.
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Jun 4, 2023 14:06
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Biggest mod I need is a zoom out mod.
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there are not a lot of skill options really, I accidentally made the meta barb build just because I liked whirlwind in D2 and PoE and the war cries looked good the zoom level is normal imo, I don't think about it at all
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Mikojan posted:Legendary drop rate sure as hell skyrockets near the endgame. Approaching d3 levels and im not liking it tbh the legendarys are just another tier over rare rather than the unique tier now so idk why thats bad
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Pennfalath posted:Biggest mod I need is a zoom out mod.
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:all the meta zombies are now furiously F5'ing maxroll to see which build they should hop on next this
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I simply pick abilities based on what cool modifiers i find and change them up as I find different ones. Meta be damned.
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Fighting giant liches with ten other players and getting nuked by a party of streamlords while trying to extract red dust in my single player rpg
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queeb posted:Are there any classes that drop their basic skill and just run a core skill for damage and have decent resource generation? Blizzard leaning into builder/spender for every class with basic attacks feeling so trash is lame. And the Barbarian whirlwind changes kinda shows that's how they want things to be, no easy resource generation, you must hit your basic attacks a few times before your core skill corpse explosion/summoner necro
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queeb posted:Are there any classes that drop their basic skill and just run a core skill for damage and have decent resource generation? Blizzard leaning into builder/spender for every class with basic attacks feeling so trash is lame. And the Barbarian whirlwind changes kinda shows that's how they want things to be, no easy resource generation, you must hit your basic attacks a few times before your core skill This is how ice shard sorc and firewall sorc work. No builders. But it takes a fair bit of gear optimisation The weird thing about sorc is there are 3 solid builds and everything else is roughly 30% as good as those builds. Do other classes have this issue?
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I'm mostly mad I have to respec for the 2nd time. Not because of the gold cost (I sold 10 yellow items and paid for my first one) but because the skill screen ui is bad lmao. Designing builds is fun as gently caress. Rend and rupture cover the screen with blood
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A saturday night nerf patch? Blizz couldn’t even keep my goodwill for 2 days goddamn. If the build’s overpowered, fine. But dont triple tap anything midseason, you’re punishing your players for playing the game you (supposedly) tested the most optimal way they can. Maxroll and such may be perceived as “bad” but unfortunately thats the way games are now. Its on blizz to adjust to modern reality *cough* real money AH *cough*
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We’re used to balance patches in Hearthstone. The problem is a streamer or maxroll et al figures out some broken build, and then within 24 hours everyone’s running it and complaining about the build is the only one that’s viable. Blizzard doesn’t want complaints like that so we’re going to see balance patches. I’m fairly sure we’ll see another one before the week is over. They’ll get less frequent as we head down the road. Just keep in mind that if your character is mowing down poo poo without a lot of effort your build will probably get nerfed.
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Got a rogue to level 16 on hardcore. Some very close calls. One thing I'm confused about: how do you "play it safe" with level scaling? I can't just stay in an area and farm to get a safe buffer against the next area - the next area keeps scaling with me. What's the strategy?
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