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TheMightyBoops
Nov 1, 2016

Pollyanna posted:

I’ve had my Katana for a while now and I still don’t really understand it. I can twiddle knobs all day and make horrible hell garbage, but nothing particularly useful. There’s the UI editor, but that’s basically just an FX chain and doesn’t clue me into what’s going on.

What’s the exact difference between lead, clean, crunch, and brown? And what the hell does 50% of that mean, anyway?

I don’t know because I don’t have a katana but I associate Lead, Crunch and Brown guitar tones as all the same thing.

It’s probably all just different EQ and different levels of clipping anyway.

Edit: to be less cheeky brown probably means Van Halen, Crunch means a Marshall, and lead means a slightly different Marshall. Also the brown sound is an attenuated Marshall I think?

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darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR


Boss has used these terms before on COSM based pedals, but short version is they're different levels of gain starting from Clean and going up to Lead.

I don't think the Katana models are actually based on anything specific (unlike the Roland Cube which had named circuits) but Crunch used to be an AC30 and Lead was supposedly a JCM800. Brown is a new one but definitely aimed at VH tones.

marshalljim
Mar 6, 2013

yospos
I think it goes clean, crunch, lead, brown in ascending order of available gain.

e:fb

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

lately i've been actually into mostly-thirds voicings because i realized that in first species counterpoint -- which is really strict and though i'm not writing according to those rules all the time, something that works there will generally work everywhere -- you can move thirds and sixths by literally any method and it works. parallel or similar-- so you can just drag thirds around and it pretty much works.

lately i like 1-3-7-3 (5-4-6-7-X-X, for instance) and poo poo like that

TheMightyBoops
Nov 1, 2016

darkwasthenight posted:



Boss has used these terms before on COSM based pedals, but short version is they're different levels of gain starting from Clean and going up to Lead.

I don't think the Katana models are actually based on anything specific (unlike the Roland Cube which had named circuits) but Crunch used to be an AC30 and Lead was supposedly a JCM800. Brown is a new one but definitely aimed at VH tones.

Oh huh, the Boss Waza is apparently an amp, I knew the pedal line, but that line read really weird to me.

Edit: I think it’s interesting because I watched a demo by someone using the brown sound mode on this amp and there’s like a weird artificial reverb or something about the decay of the notes on VH records that are the main characteristic of that to me and the recreation doesn’t have that at all. Otherwise it just sounds like an amp with some gain.

TheMightyBoops fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jun 6, 2023

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

TheMightyBoops posted:

Oh huh, the Boss Waza is apparently an amp, I knew the pedal line, but that line read really weird to me.

Edit: I think it’s interesting because I watched a demo by someone using the brown sound mode on this amp and there’s like a weird artificial reverb or something about the decay of the notes on VH records that are the main characteristic of that to me and the recreation doesn’t have that at all. Otherwise it just sounds like an amp with some gain.

There's always the reverb section for that - VH used plate reverb a lot. 'Brown' in guitar terms usually just means something like power section pushed hard for sag and compression, but less preamp gain than a modern tone and no harsh top end. It's a pretty nebulous descriptor in the same way as 'glassy'.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

landgrabber posted:

lately i've been actually into mostly-thirds voicings because i realized that in first species counterpoint -- which is really strict and though i'm not writing according to those rules all the time, something that works there will generally work everywhere -- you can move thirds and sixths by literally any method and it works. parallel or similar-- so you can just drag thirds around and it pretty much works.

lately i like 1-3-7-3 (5-4-6-7-X-X, for instance) and poo poo like that

hell yeah those intervals rule

137 and 138 are my poo poo.

I love just doing the 1 and 3 as a droning tone and then moving around the 6, 7, 8, or 9 on top like a chimpanzee trying to mimic classical guitarists

duodenum
Sep 18, 2005

What would Rivers Weezer do?

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



dadgad owns

lazerwolf
Dec 22, 2009

Orange and Black

duodenum posted:

What would Rivers Weezer do?

Eb standard

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I'm starting to realize how much I love spring reverb for blues type stuff and plate reverb for everything else. I've got a Vox AC10, so amp reverb is kinda meh. I'm trying to stay away from some of the crazy pedals out there now and am looking at a Flint v1, Keeley Omni, or Digitech Polara - any reverb nuts with opinions on any of these pedals?

TheMightyBoops
Nov 1, 2016

darkwasthenight posted:

There's always the reverb section for that - VH used plate reverb a lot. 'Brown' in guitar terms usually just means something like power section pushed hard for sag and compression, but less preamp gain than a modern tone and no harsh top end. It's a pretty nebulous descriptor in the same way as 'glassy'.

Oh. It’s very funny to me that the most significant thing I took from 1984 is that I like reverb.

fullroundaction
Apr 20, 2007

Drink beer every day
I got one of those titanium "forever" picks as a gift. I thought it was a pretty cool idea to only have one that will never wear out (as long as I don't lose it). It's a lot slower (imo) than a normal pick but I liked the bright tone I was getting from it and got used to it very quickly.

After a few weeks I noticed that my D string was pretty beat up but I didn't think much about it because the set was 3-4 months old. Threw on a new set of Elixirs and sure enough about 3 weeks later a my A and D strings are flattened out in a weird way, and a lot of the wrap on them has been scraped off. They're basically dead sounding now.

The pick itself seems to also somehow lost it's point and has some pretty noticeable wear / grooves in it now. Very weird, and a shame because I really like the thing otherwise. Anyone else have experience with picks like this? The reviews everywhere seem to be pretty universally positive.

https://www.amazon.com/GPCA-All-Around-Must-Have-Accessories-Musicians/dp/B07YLYDWHK

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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I'll get months and months out of a single Dunlop 1mm gauged nylon pick before even the tip starts to disappear and it's nice and easy on the strings.

fullroundaction
Apr 20, 2007

Drink beer every day
Do you play air guitar or a real one

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?
Picks are easier and cheaper to replace than strings. Plus I like the flex and sound from a plastic pick than something metal. Also, pick wear from a metal pick on your finish/pickguard ... Ouch.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

Verman posted:

This issue does sound like tubes going bad. The volume just starts sort of randomly swelling/falling. Presence/intensity seems like its getting dialed back.

Thinking about it now, my Sovtek still has the original sovtek tubes from ... 1998 (I think last year of production was 96 so it might have been NOS) ... when I bought it brand new. I am just now experiencing tube issues in the last month.

I'm really not looking forward to buying new tubes.

The possibility of tubes going extinct in the past year made me daydream about the idea of getting an all nutube/solid state setup. My amp that is currently burning to death is my go to for fender sounding stuff but maybe I could become a jazz chorus person. It sure would be cool if someone made a preamp pedal/lunchbox head of a JC212 with an fx loop.......

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

duodenum posted:

What would Rivers Weezer do?

you know what's really funny?

a few months ago i was listening to some weezer and went "you know, i'm not really feeling this" and i've only listened to them very very sparingly since then. we have a couple songs we do at band practice-- no other one and you gave your love to me softly -- but other than that i don't actually listen to them very much anymore, at least for the last six months.

there's just not enough going on in the music for me, not enough thick harmony.

fullroundaction
Apr 20, 2007

Drink beer every day

Verman posted:

Picks are easier and cheaper to replace than strings. Plus I like the flex and sound from a plastic pick than something metal. Also, pick wear from a metal pick on your finish/pickguard ... Ouch.

Yeah my main guitar is already pretty beat from regular picks so I didn't care much, but it definitely added a fresh set of dings in short time. I guess I should have paid more attention to the Mohs scale in high school and realized the idea of a forever pick that doesn't destroy your strings is an impossible dream.

Back to jazz 3s like the lord intended.

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?
So today I went to a friend's place that he just moved into. He has a 4 car garage that he's really excited about. It has a lot of echo as it's just drywall and concrete. He told me to bring a guitar.

I brought my gretsch 5422. I assumed he was going to have his 70s twin reverb and his 68 Gibson 330. Instead I arrived to his new AC30. I plugged into it and played around with the settings a bit. I'm not a big vox fan. I've never really enjoyed their tone as it feels way too biting. It did sound better than most other vox amps I've played, more well rounded tone with good bottom end.

Well it was fun, the garage provided a nice lush reverb. The gain on a vox isn't my favorite but when I plugged in my Browne protein it sounded great. I had to dial back the treble in the amp a lot. Usually I really enjoy the sound of the bridge pickup on the gretsch but I much preferred the neck in the ac30.

It's a cool amp, but not for me.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Best picks are your fingernails since they never run out. :colbert:



Unless you're on chemo and they all fell out or something.

I can't remember the last time I used a pick, actually

Carth Dookie fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Jun 6, 2023

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

Spanish Manlove posted:

still to this day I have an elitist hatred of drop D for that reason

and then one day I sucked it up and learned how to play this song
Haha yeah, I suspect we're around the same age, because drop D was the "I can play everything I need with one finger!" tuning among people I knew in high school. Obviously there's a lot more to it, but man, that impression stuck for me.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!

The Leck posted:

Haha yeah, I suspect we're around the same age, because drop D was the "I can play everything I need with one finger!" tuning among people I knew in high school. Obviously there's a lot more to it, but man, that impression stuck for me.

I think coming up in that age of music is why my teenage and early twenties attempts to play were so abortive. That stuff was kind of boring and I hadn't really developed the ears to appreciate better music yet, and when I did, a lot of it wasn't guitar based.

I don't like to be too snobby about it, because a lot of those one-finger deathpunch people got curious about other music, usually more technical metal, or the pop-punks moved on to other stuff and most of the others just kind of fell off keeping pawn shops in dusty BC Rich's and cheap Ibanez's for a decade or two.

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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Neil Young wrote Cinnamon Girl in Drop D what do you waaaant

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

A lot of folk and blues will use drop D for the fun bass walks you can do that way

Donovan's Codeine for example

lazerwolf
Dec 22, 2009

Orange and Black
Moby Dick is in drop D.

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006

luchadornado posted:

I'm starting to realize how much I love spring reverb for blues type stuff and plate reverb for everything else. I've got a Vox AC10, so amp reverb is kinda meh. I'm trying to stay away from some of the crazy pedals out there now and am looking at a Flint v1, Keeley Omni, or Digitech Polara - any reverb nuts with opinions on any of these pedals?

Not a reverb nut, but I have both an Omni and a Polara. Both currently sitting in a box for "pedals I should sell or something".

I don't have any strong feelings about the sound of the Polara. I am not a fan of the way they printed the top of the enclosure. I find it very difficult to see what the controls are if the room isn't well lit.

The plate reverb in the Omni sounds good to me, but I wasn't impressed with the spring reverb. It didn't sound very "springy" when compared to other reverb pedals I have.

To my non-reverb-afficionado ears, I preferred the Wampler Reflection over both the Omni and Polara. T-Rex Creamer might be the best pedal I have for spring reverb but doesn't have a plate setting.

TheMightyBoops
Nov 1, 2016

When I have money I wanna check out some expensive reverbs. Specifically the Keely Caverns.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Major Operation posted:

I don't have any strong feelings about the sound of the Polara. I am not a fan of the way they printed the top of the enclosure. I find it very difficult to see what the controls are if the room isn't well lit.

It might possibly be the winner of the best pedal/worst enclosure combination. That design is loving horrid.

I like Wampler stuff, so I'll have to check the Reflection out. If that doesn't jive, I'll probably just pick up an Omni. Two knobs, decent to good spring and plate, and $100 used? It's hard to beat that. It's also the same algos in the CB Dark World.

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005
I've never really thought of why, but I dislike drop tunings. All 12 of my guitars are in standard interval tunings. Well I think my 1 7 string my be in Drop F but that's just because it's my 1 guitar for low low notes, so the string is just dropped for more range. It's just to throw some bigger 0s out there really. I don't play much tho, anything below B or so just doesn't sound good to my ears when it comes to playing the guitar by yourself tone(fully mixed low tuned songs definitely sound sick sometimes tho). I've never heard a power chord below B ring out and not sound like poo poo in real life.

widefault
Mar 16, 2009
"Always stop at the pawn shop" holds true once again




"Audster" which is a typical Chinese copy, but it was $31.64 including tax. Which means they gave someone like $10 for it.

Dukes Mayo Clinic
Aug 31, 2009
You can do anything you want with drop D, even capo it and make it frop F:

https://youtu.be/8CCl_fmR7o8

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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widefault posted:

"Always stop at the pawn shop" holds true once again




"Audster" which is a typical Chinese copy, but it was $31.64 including tax. Which means they gave someone like $10 for it.

That nut is cut and filed correctly, something Fender sometimes has trouble with.

widefault
Mar 16, 2009

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

That nut is cut and filed correctly, something Fender sometimes has trouble with.

It looks like it could be bone, even. Definitely not the original one.

And I'm going throw this out here because I already have one.

1979/80 Hondo Professional Strat copy, Made in Japan by Tokai, 3 color sunburst, for $299.99 at Guitar Center

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/In-Store-Used/Used-Hondo-2-Professional-3-Color-Sunburst-Solid-Body-Electric-Guitar.gc

If the headstock said Tokait the price would be at least double, and even as a Hondo that's $100-150 under normal selling prices.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

Neil Young wrote Cinnamon Girl in Drop D what do you waaaant

yeah harvest moon by neil young is in drop d as well. all arguments are invalid

McCoy Pauley
Mar 2, 2006
Gonna eat so many goddamn crumpets.
Finally laid hands on a Revstar today (unfortunately not the P90 one I was looking for, just the basic HB one), but it felt and sounded great and seemed even at the basic level very well made, which I'd expect from Yamaha. The only thing that gave me a little pause was the neck had, I don't know what to call it, like a matte finish? It wasn't shiny like the necks of my other guitars, or like the Fender and Reverend guitars I was also playing. Felt a little weird under the hand. Like not bad necessarily, but just not what I was expecting.

What is that kind of finish called? And being matte like that (or not shiny, or whatever the right word is) does it get worn down or polished as you play it long enough?

DOPE FIEND KILLA G
Jun 4, 2011

hey lg you ever listen to the grateful dead?

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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It's called a satin finish and it's often preferred because it's less sticky than a gloss finish. Usually playing a gloss finish long enough will put enough microscratches into it that it'll become a bit more satin-y, but not the other way around.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:

hey lg you ever listen to the grateful dead?

i feel out of touch as a 21 year old enough without being a deadhead

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TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

McCoy Pauley posted:

Finally laid hands on a Revstar today (unfortunately not the P90 one I was looking for, just the basic HB one), but it felt and sounded great and seemed even at the basic level very well made, which I'd expect from Yamaha. The only thing that gave me a little pause was the neck had, I don't know what to call it, like a matte finish? It wasn't shiny like the necks of my other guitars, or like the Fender and Reverend guitars I was also playing. Felt a little weird under the hand. Like not bad necessarily, but just not what I was expecting.

What is that kind of finish called? And being matte like that (or not shiny, or whatever the right word is) does it get worn down or polished as you play it long enough?

My Mustang and Goldfoil JM both have that finish. I don't love the look of it but it plays nicely.
Interestingly, the Mustang's fret board is a lacquered maple which looks great but it's kind of sticky sometimes.

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