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15 | 3.71% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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speng's title change game is strong
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https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/03/the-only-thing-worse-than-war-is-losing-onequote:Since the start of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Meduza has been analyzing — and refuting — the Russian military propaganda that tries to justify the war (here’s one recent example). But while we find Moscow’s talking points absurd and unconvincing, there’s no denying it: propaganda works. Even among our readers, there are people who continue to make excuses for the invasion, despite the fact that it’s caused untold pain for millions of Ukrainians and has been destructive to Russia itself. We decided to hear what these people had to say: we asked them to explain why they support Russia waging war on Ukraine. Over just a few days, we received hundreds of detailed responses, read them closely, and decided to publish some of them with minimal edits. We believe these letters are an important record, and we hope they’ll be informative for those working to end the war, trying to change the ruling regime in Russia, and wondering how to deal with people whose minds may never be changed. quote:Pavel Pavel is right.
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Jun 7, 2023 05:06
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Jun 7, 2023 05:06
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yellowcar posted:taiwan I feel like Taiwan actually may be less radical than Ukraine, they have much more to lose economically and so do S Korea and Japan compared to Western Europe. Despite the generally accurate stereotype that those countries governments are even more subservient to American imperialism than NATO Europe, I think they might actually get cold feet on a US-backed shooting war with China in a way that France or Germany would not icantfindaname has issued a correction as of 05:15 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 05:13
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/03/the-only-thing-worse-than-war-is-losing-one Probably shared the option of the 70-80% earth population and countries.
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Jun 7, 2023 05:25
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icantfindaname posted:I feel like Taiwan actually may be less radical than Ukraine, they have much more to lose economically and so do S Korea and Japan compared to Western Europe. Despite the generally accurate stereotype that those countries governments are even more subservient to American imperialism than NATO Europe, I think they might actually get cold feet on a US-backed shooting war with China in a way that France or Germany would not While the people of taiwan may make more sensible decisions than people of Ukraine just on account of they will make the decision after the Ukraine war, and Taiwan relies on cross strait trade more than Ukraine to Russia, keep in mind the Taiwanese are capable of making bone head decisions. They voted on referendum twice not to use their brand new already built and paid for nuclear power plant #4, with absolutely no alternate power solution insight. They are going to absolutely get hosed when the old power plants retired. People just can't plan a few years far in the future.
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Jun 7, 2023 05:35
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/03/the-only-thing-worse-than-war-is-losing-one lmao @ the trigger warning for people having different opinions r/combatfootage gifs of russian conscripts being blown up? drake yes. pavel from germany saying he just wishes the war was over and people weren't dying? oh god i'm feeling faint...
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Jun 7, 2023 05:43
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russian propaganda is so strong, its unfair really
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Jun 7, 2023 05:45
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stephenthinkpad posted:Taiwan relies on cross strait trade more than Ukraine to Russia that's interesting and something i hadn't considered before
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Jun 7, 2023 05:58
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/03/the-only-thing-worse-than-war-is-losing-one alexey reveal your account Alexey 31 years old, Moscow posted:I opposed the war from the very start. But now I’m against the radical “libtards,” Western hypocrisy, and everything that continues to feed this war.
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Jun 7, 2023 06:11
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Homeless Friend posted:alexey reveal your account lol
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Jun 7, 2023 06:23
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/03/the-only-thing-worse-than-war-is-losing-one Oooooh I'm SO MAD at what Pavel wrote there! *tears off hat, stomps on it, and shoots it with a six-shooter*
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Jun 7, 2023 06:41
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icantfindaname posted:I feel like Taiwan actually may be less radical than Ukraine, they have much more to lose economically and so do S Korea and Japan compared to Western Europe. Despite the generally accurate stereotype that those countries governments are even more subservient to American imperialism than NATO Europe, I think they might actually get cold feet on a US-backed shooting war with China in a way that France or Germany would not What does Taiwan look like after a couple of rinse and repeat maidan > empower nazis cycles though Granted because china is not a liberal capitalist state they will probably be more interested and proactive in Taiwan's internal affairs than Russia was with Ukraine (until it was far too late)
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Jun 7, 2023 06:48
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Slavvy posted:What does Taiwan look like after a couple of rinse and repeat maidan > empower nazis cycles though besides what you've said, I don't think the Taiwan question will be allowed to fester for as long as Ukraine did, for any number of reasons
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Jun 7, 2023 06:51
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gradenko_2000 posted:besides what you've said, I don't think the Taiwan question will be allowed to fester for as long as Ukraine did, for any number of reasons
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Jun 7, 2023 06:59
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i say swears online posted:do you mean if actual hostilities commence? I mean we're not going to get another two decades of the elected government and the general public getting influenced and otherwise hosed with every which way. Something is gonna give before then, up to and including (but hopefully not) open hostilities.
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Jun 7, 2023 07:05
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the KMT has recently been floated as the rapproachment party: how realistic is that? it seems to me that they have literally opposite political goals than the CPC
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Jun 7, 2023 07:11
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I think the Ukraine economy was bad for a very long time before 14; and the east-west cultural split doesn't exist in Taiwan; and as far as I know, Ukraine has a lot more pro west NGO/oversea Ukrainians that made UA an ideal color revolution environment. I don't get the sense oversea Taieanese are more radical. Also one more thing I am not sure what the reason is, the DPP seems to use the state machine to monopolize power/oppress the other parties less than Zelensky. They have gained a lot of favorable positions in the juridical branch and the media oversight bodies, but haven't done a lot, which they can if they want to. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 07:21 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 07:15
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I just mean the ideological trajectories of the parties in question. the kmt and cpc may agree on territorial claims but not on governance. is there a universe where they DO agree and the kuomintang becomes the pro-cpc party or do "who will rule" questions just continually gently caress things up?
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Jun 7, 2023 07:19
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i say swears online posted:I just mean the ideological trajectories of the parties in question. the kmt and cpc may agree on territorial claims but not on governance. is there a universe where they DO agree and the kuomintang becomes the pro-cpc party or do "who will rule" questions just continually gently caress things up? The KMT after the last president KMT Ma retired, handed the power to the younger generation. It has lost most of its ideology. Right now 90% of their selling points are "not-DPP party". That's pretty much their game plan for next Jan. They are entirely pro status quote and still hold onto the position of "keep talking with mainland but not commit to anything." (That's what "92 Consensus" is, a political gesture to keep talking, keep the cross-strait tango but promise nothing, keep talking without the participation of US) I honestly can't tell if they have a chance, because the "national" election discourse has changed so much from 8 years ago. And 4 years ago they lost so badly you can't use it to gauge the next election. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 07:33 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 07:30
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it's in almost everyone's interest to keep the taiwan issue simmering at relatively low heat. that means that the PRC has not accepted any illegitimate territorial changes while at the same time realising the facts on the ground while the ROC can be de facto independent and not worry *too* much about a devestating war so long as they accept a certain measure of symbolic humiliation. the americans have traditionally maintained a foothold in this way, and that's the balance of power. moreover, it's an arrangement with which everyone can live until something big changes. the US part of this equation might be changing. the US strategy is typically elite capture; popular sentiment matters remarkably little for even fairly low-level domestic policies and the ability of mass movements to generate and reproduce counter-elites has become highly compromised over the past decades, so if you can build elite consensus you're good. this is what the US policy has been in europe since basically forever. so the question then becomes how independent the taiwanese elites are, in their KMT or DPP manifestations, and how far they're willing to go to oppose US aims. i have no idea about this.
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Jun 7, 2023 07:54
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stephenthinkpad posted:The KMT after the last president KMT Ma retired, handed the power to the younger generation. It has lost most of its ideology. Right now 90% of their selling points are "not-DPP party". That's pretty much their game plan for next Jan. They are entirely pro status quote and still hold onto the position of "keep talking with mainland but not commit to anything." (That's what "92 Consensus" is, a political gesture to keep talking, keep the cross-strait tango but promise nothing, keep talking without the participation of US) thanks! i've been aware of their decline and in theory losing a bunch of seats signals an (eventual) ideological shift. DPP seems poised 
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Jun 7, 2023 08:03
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gradenko_2000 posted:Lol the thread title changed Hear hear.
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Jun 7, 2023 08:12
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In Taiwan only TVBS is not pro green (DPP), all the other television media are pro green. They already close down that one pro blue/KMT television station and made it youtube only. So don't take the polling that seriously. Again, DPP is capable of dirty tricks to win election and has the resources to do it, but will they go that far I am not sure. Just last week a bunch of "metoo" scandals broke out, mostly involving DPP party workers. I think there are secret forces (not US/China) at work that planned to push the election to different directions. I think there will be a couple more weird poo poo things happening. Remember when Chan got elected he rode heavily on the mysterious "assassination" attempt to win against KMT.
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Jun 7, 2023 08:20
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Starsfan posted:we were told that any Ukrainian counter offensive would coincide with a massive disinformation campaign the scope of which had never been seen before meant to sow confusion and defeatism into the Russian forces and buoy up support for Ukraine in the west.. some people believe that this "invasion" into Russia that had Russian telegram losing it's mind over stories about soldiers deserting their positions / joining the rebels and various cities being captured that all turned out to be complete nonsense was a trial run for the methods that would be deployed in the big push for Ukraine. If I'm not mis-remembering there were actually US military sources commenting with anonymity that the only chance in hell Ukraine had of making anything out of this offensive is if Russian forces believe things are falling apart and panic their way out of their prepared defensive positions. The issue is that they are taking substantive losses on multiple fronts, and if this isn't the "big offensive" then they already chewed up a good portion of the forces they would need for it. We know AMX 10s were on the ground. In addition, they have been successive assaults that haven't gone anywhere either on other fronts including in the north, Soledar, and around Bakhmut. It is alot of men and material to throw away if you are just waiting. They still have tanks but I actually don't think the small number of Leopards and Challangers they may or may have is really that significant if they are draining the rest of the force away. ---- China has made it clear they will accept the current status quo regarding Taiwan, because it favors them, their economy gets bigger and Taiwan only because more enmeshed into it. It really comes down to if the DPP pushes independence or not, then they were be a blockade, and then the response will be sanctions/complete global chaos. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 08:28 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 08:21
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speng31b posted:🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔..... It just gets me every time that the people hopping mad screaming crime and murder don't give a rats rear end about the exact same thing when the US does it.
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Jun 7, 2023 08:44
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whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism!!
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Jun 7, 2023 08:45
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kazmeyer posted:
Yeah, my feeling is that a typical person these days forms their view of current events by flicking through a small number of mainstream news websites and browsing the headlines, only occasionally clicking on a story that particularly catches their interest. (Not that I do that, oh no!) If in what they see there's multiple headlines saying: "Russia bombs dam, evilly!", then they'll simply absorb the view that Evil Russia has bombed the dam without troubling themselves to look any deeper. After all, if CNN, the BBC and the NYT are all saying so, it must be true!
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Jun 7, 2023 08:51
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alot of pro russian accounts online are jerking off about how its time russia blew up the kiev dam, i think at this point theyre fooling themselves if they think putin would respond in that way given how hes failed to knock out any major infrastructure up until now even when it actively wouldve benefited his war aims. https://twitter.com/faytuks/status/1666286333898240000?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg
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Jun 7, 2023 09:16
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In 2013, Ukraine Export 24% to Russia Import 30% from Russia In 2021, Taiwan Export 28% to mainland Import 22% from mainland SCMP In 2022, Taiwan Exports 42% to China Imports 22% from China DW I think the difference between the last two is Hong Kong, but I'm not sure. Not too big a difference, Russia Ukraine trade peaked a couple years before that. stephenthinkpad posted:I don't get the sense oversea Taieanese are more radical. Radically liberal maybe.
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Jun 7, 2023 09:18
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Orange Devil posted:It just gets me every time that the people hopping mad screaming crime and murder don't give a rats rear end about the exact same thing when the US does it. Cuttlefush posted:whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism!! Meduza has enlisted an "expert on military and political ethics" to educate you fools who have been brainwashed by russian propaganda. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/05/30/unjust-on-almost-every-possible-count quote:In the process of justifying their actions, Russian officials and propagandists often engage in “whataboutism,” recalling highly controversial past actions by NATO or the U.S. Let's pretend their arguments are sincere. If war crimes and abuses are also committed by Western countries, how are their actions around the globe different from Russia’s? quote:Suppose that you have someone, I'm going to call them Smith, a typical American or English name. Smith is about to murder an innocent person and he has no justification for doing so. And there is a bystander on the scene, let's call him Jones. He sees Smith is about to kill an innocent person and intervenes, prevents Smith, or tries to stop him. At that point, Smith says to Jones: “Jones, you are being completely hypocritical, you yourself killed someone last week!” Suppose that Smith is correct: Jones did do it. Now, the whataboutism view says that Jones is being hypocritical and is therefore not allowed to stop Smith from killing an innocent person. That seems very counterintuitive. loling at this bit quote:The second point is even if it’s true (and I think it is true, that the war in Iraq in 2003 was unjust), the regimes that authorized that war in the US and the United Kingdom are not the same regimes that operate there now. When we criticize a country for doing something or having done something in the past, we have to pay attention to who is in power at a particular point in time. I don’t want to deny that there is a good deal of hypocrisy in the West, but I do not see why that would enable Russian authorities to say that they are justified in trying to impose their own will on Ukraine by force of arms.
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Jun 7, 2023 09:21
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Weka posted:In 2013, Ukraine Eh...that is nearly double the percentage of exports, and Hong Kong absolutely should be included. Also, Ukraine isn't an island, and the PLAN can very clearly not only cut their trade with Taiwan but the rest of the world as well. It doesn't mean the DPP isn't suicidal, but it would be suicidal in a way that Taiwan and its chipmaking industry would completely collapse. I would just say in general, Beijing has got far more leverage. It doesn't mean there will be a crisis (again), but it will be a crisis where they basically just need to hold a blockade. I think the PRC knows all of this and has been building up to it practically since it was founded. They have made deals with OPEC and Russia precisely to secure their energy supply, and have been building the BNR and their own agricultural production in anticipation. If the US goes all in, it is going to be real ugly for everyone in the West who doesn't have their own house servants. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 09:25 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 09:22
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Al-Saqr posted:alot of pro russian accounts online are jerking off about how its time russia blew up the kiev dam, https://twitter.com/PeterZeihan/status/1666023553970450435 actually since it's impossible to destroy a dam from the outside, then Putin couldn't possibly blow up the Kiev dam, even if he wanted to
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Jun 7, 2023 09:22
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Al-Saqr posted:alot of pro russian accounts online are jerking off about how its time russia blew up the kiev dam, i think at this point theyre fooling themselves if they think putin would respond in that way given how hes failed to knock out any major infrastructure up until now even when it actively wouldve benefited his war aims. Vladimir Putin is a humanitarian.
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Jun 7, 2023 09:23
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Ardennes posted:The issue is that they are taking substantive losses on multiple fronts, and if this isn't the "big offensive" then they already chewed up a good portion of the forces they would need for it. We know AMX 10s were on the ground. IIRC from a month or so back the consensus here was that the counteroffensive was going to do exactly this, throw a bunch of guys forward to get blown up on the russian defense lines, so this isn't particularly surprising, but its quite grim and sad that it seems like they didn't even get through the first layer of defences and are just getting blown up straight away and the whole (stupid) idea behind the counteroffensive was supposed to be to keep western support going through propaganda and even that isn't happening now even accepting the ukrainian side's flawed logic, this whole counteroffensive makes zero sense from their point of view
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Jun 7, 2023 09:28
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Ardennes posted:Eh...that is nearly double the percentage of exports, and Hong Kong absolutely should be included. Also, Ukraine isn't an island, and the PLAN can very clearly not only cut their trade with Taiwan but the rest of the world as well. It doesn't mean the DPP isn't suicidal, but it would be suicidal in a way that Taiwan and its chipmaking industry would completely collapse. It is a stronger reason not to have a war, but the high level of trade between Russia and Ukraine was still a strong reason and it wasn't even a speed bump. It is doubtful to me that whoever is calling the shots in Taiwan when poo poo goes down will be acting in Taiwan's interest. If America succeeds here it will be more subtle than just arming nazis but I think just because it is not obvious how they will try and force the split doesn't mean it will not be successful.
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Jun 7, 2023 09:31
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Jun 7, 2023 09:32
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speng31b posted:why? yellowcar posted:taiwan ukraine has not been good for the US, i think they'd be out of there if it wouldn't look bad pre-election. by "abandon" i mean the focus will shift, they may still do some low level bullshit
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Jun 7, 2023 09:34
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do dams just absorb missiles and artillery?
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depends on the dam and the missiles/artillery and exactly where they hit. im not sure how many, if any, direct hits the dam structure ever actually had from what caliber of artillery but generally reinforced concrete can hold up pretty well against run of the mill HE in run of the mill calibers. I'm pretty sure. missiles and especially munitions that are purposebuilt to gently caress up reinforced concrete could and have popped dams. artillery probably could if it was just allowed to fire on it for ages and eventually compromise the structure enough. i imagine it'd be awhile though? an extremely unrealistically long while, i mean still anything can decrease the integrity of the dam and make it more susceptible to failure from water pressure. engineers inspecting the dam would know whether or not that was the case. we can't.
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