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B-Rock452 posted:They tend to keep other things as keepsakes. A buddy of mine prosecuted a major Catholic abuse case and the priest committed suicide after he was convicted and mentioned my buddy in the suicide note and he still has a copy of it on his office wall. 
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B-Rock452 posted:They tend to keep other things as keepsakes. A buddy of mine prosecuted a major Catholic abuse case and the priest committed suicide after he was convicted and mentioned my buddy in the suicide note and he still has a copy of it on his office wall. gently caress. Yes.
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Jessa Duggar had a miscarriage and then had to have a D&C. Now people on the internet are arguing about whether that counts as an abortion or not and the accusations of hypocrisy are flying. Now her husband is going off at everyone arguing in the comments section of his instagram 
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Mar 2, 2023 13:58
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Mar 2, 2023 14:00
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There’s not a single decent human in that family. You would think out of 20 or whatever the probability would be good for at least ONE, but nope. All of them completely useless.
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Rad-daddio posted:this is what happens when you treat the uterus like a PEZ dispenser. They suck but I’m not going to blame her for a miscarriage, that’s hosed up. Also that’s a terrible analogy. The D&C hypocrisy is fair game.
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Mar 2, 2023 14:12
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teen witch posted:They suck but I’m not going to blame her for a miscarriage, that’s hosed up. Also that’s a terrible analogy. it's a terrible religion.
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Mar 2, 2023 14:47
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teen witch posted:They suck but I’m not going to blame her for a miscarriage, that’s hosed up. Also that’s a terrible analogy. That Jezebel headline is throwing me off. So a D&C is an abortion? It doesn't make sense to me to buy into the hypocritical framing if it's in service of calling someone a hypocrite
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Heath posted:That Jezebel headline is throwing me off. So a D&C is an abortion? It doesn't make sense to me to buy into the hypocritical framing if it's in service of calling someone a hypocrite A D&C is a type of abortion that is usually done on non viable fetuses.
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Mar 2, 2023 14:52
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It's literally the "scoop out chunks of dead baby (fetus)" procedure that conservatives try to characterize all abortions as in order to scare people.
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Heath posted:That Jezebel headline is throwing me off. So a D&C is an abortion? It doesn't make sense to me to buy into the hypocritical framing if it's in service of calling someone a hypocrite D&C is a type of abortion, usually one that’s further along. I myself had the pill because I was like ten week in which is pretty early. However, D&Cs is also used for miscarriages, I think the pill can as well. My calling her a hypocrite lies in believing that no one should have access to medical procedures that are used for both abortions and miscarriages. She’s fine with one but not the other but also, only for her apparently? Rad-daddio posted:it's a terrible religion. Cool most of them are, still not blaming a woman for her own miscarriage, unless she is able to control whether she has one or not. If she is, I have further questions.
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sweet geek swag posted:A D&C is a type of abortion that is usually done on non viable fetuses. A D&C is not an abortion. D&C's are done for reasons that don't have anything to do with pregnancy. The contention is that classifying a D&C as an abortion is a right wing thing that puts a lot of women who need one at risk of legal action. Playing into that framework by calling it an abortion to make a point about her being a hypocrite seems itself to be hypocritical. Like, yeah, the woman is a hypocrite, but being like "actually, she got an abortion and won't call it that" is buying the right wing framework. Edit: I know what a D&C is, I've literally done them. Pope Corky the IX posted:It's literally the "scoop out chunks of dead baby (fetus)" procedure that conservatives try to characterize all abortions as in order to scare people. That is a D&E. (Dilation and evacuation) Heath fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Mar 2, 2023 |
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teen witch posted:D&C is a type of abortion, usually one that’s further along. I myself had the pill because I was like ten week in which is pretty early. However, D&Cs is also used for miscarriages, I think the pill can as well. I don't blame her for her miscarriage, I blame the cult she's stuck in that treats women like livestock. Frankly, all the other web articles, reaction videos and related bandwidth that are given to this group is also terrible.
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It gets into semantic territory of how exactly you're defining "abortion", and the muddying of the term by the right wing is definitely not helping. In the most technical sense a D&C is a surgical procedure that removes abnormal tissue from the uterus, in this case being the no-longer-viable fetus (but some D&Cs are for non-pregnancy reasons). You could argue it's not an abortion because "the fetus was dead/going to die anyway and this is just saving the mother's life" but that arguably plays into the right-wing's hands of allowing policing of what's allowed and what isn't and unnecessarily complicating an already horrible situation for the person having the procedure done. Where the hypocrisy comes into play is that the right wing has been banning this and other procedures of a similar nature (where a fetus is no longer viable and you're intervening for the sake of the mother's health or even life, often using identical or almost-identical procedures to an abortion that's done because the pregnant woman decided not to have a child). While some right wingers are definitely arguing from a purely emotional place ("God's will" etc.), there is a history of medical documentation being faked by a sympathetic doctor in order to allow a normally-illegal abortion (e.g. this happened with many women in Romania under Ceaușescu, even though a doctor being caught doing this would face execution) and some right-wingers are moving for just straight-up full bans on everything involving removing tissue from a uterus or similar interventions because of it, including D&Cs unrelated to pregnancy. So in a state/country where the right wing gets its way, someone in a similar position to Jessa would go through all sorts of hell especially if they weren't able to travel someone to get a procedure done, including but not limited to medical complications from carrying dead tissue inside of them (which can result in something like a hysterectomy or even death that could have easily been avoided) or even criminal charges because "fetuses never 'just die' the mother obviously must have done something to it" (and yes, there are women in places like Chile serving decades-long prison sentences because they had a miscarriage, this is actually happening and not just fearmongering). The fact that the Duggars are willing posterchildren for the anti-abortion movement makes this into purestrain "the only moral abortion is my abortion". As a side note, another wrinkle is that "because it's less dangerous to the mother" is always true of any abortion. Humans loving suck when it comes to carrying a fetus to term and it is always true to say that getting a (proper, at a clinic with actual licensed practitioners) abortion is overall a safer option for a person than carrying a baby to term.
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Just want to chime in that I actually appreciate the long, nuanced post there since it helps me learn and also reaffirms why their hypocrisy is, indeed, hypocrisy, and therefore must be challenged.
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Oh yeah, they’re hypocrites but in a much more insidious way. I feel terrible for the kids trapped in that cult
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MEIN RAVEN posted:Just want to chime in that I actually appreciate the long, nuanced post there since it helps me learn and also reaffirms why their hypocrisy is, indeed, hypocrisy, and therefore must be challenged. 
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teen witch posted:Oh yeah, they’re hypocrites but in a much more insidious way. I feel terrible for the kids trapped in that cult A poster above said that they, (the Duggars), were all terrible people. But I tend to more agree with this. That they, (the kids. and unfortunately a lot of them still are emotional and mental children), trapped in a terrible cult that raises them terribly. So are 100% more victims than arseholes. Also seconding the don't make fun of a woman for having a miscarriage. Miscarriages are traumatic enough for "normal" women. Let alone for a woman who has been brought up to believe her only worth is as a baby factory. I can't imagine her devastation.
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D&C/D&E's for miscarriages are harrowing. It's hard when you have to be with someone on the worst day of their life and even worse if it's fairly far along because then you have to lay out the pieces of the fetus on the table and make sure everything is accounted for. Conservatives have convinced themselves this is what all abortions are, which makes it even more horrible because I feel it really diminishes how solemn it really is.
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"Hey kids, here's someone pointing out how hypocritical we are. Nike! Nike!"
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The tell all Duggar documentary "Shiny Happy People" is out on amazon prime https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0TRV2VQKIE3NEHOPKZ5G3HION5/ref=dvm_src_ret_au_xx_s
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:The tell all Duggar documentary "Shiny Happy People" is out on amazon prime https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0TRV2VQKIE3NEHOPKZ5G3HION5/ref=dvm_src_ret_au_xx_s it's so much worse than i ever could have imagined. i hate them and their fellow domineering "christian" freaks.
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I guess I just don't understand people who don't feel their skin crawl as soon as they see the "shiny happy" surface of people like the Duggars. It's so obviously fake.
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But the children are so well behaved.
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Do the kids got the mom's bug eyes of perpetual terror too or what's the deal with that
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I don't know if it's perpetual terror as much as spending the majority of your adult life either pregnant or giving birth.
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I didn't know bug eyes were a common pregnancy/child birth thing Well giving birth I can see I guess...
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Here's an abridged version of the documentary for those of you that don't have Amazon Prime https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7241054204062715182 https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7241235159754820906 https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7241739093007224110 https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7241775973467786539 https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7241785968859041066
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Private Cumshoe posted:I didn't know bug eyes were a common pregnancy/child birth thing Having twenty children isn't exactly common, at least these days.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:The tell all Duggar documentary "Shiny Happy People" is out on amazon prime https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0TRV2VQKIE3NEHOPKZ5G3HION5/ref=dvm_src_ret_au_xx_s The documentary gives a fantastic overview of how grooming works and the ways in which christian nationalist groups make it easy for those in power to groom children so be careful watching it that stuff is a trigger for you.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Here's an abridged version of the documentary for those of you that don't have Amazon Prime This is totally a personal thing but god drat do I hate TikTok… it saddens me that good, funny content like this is trapped in that hellscape. Again, I know it’s my personal hangup Also gently caress Jimmy Blerb and his rancid beliefs
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Halloween Jack posted:I guess I just don't understand people who don't feel their skin crawl as soon as they see the "shiny happy" surface of people like the Duggars. It's so obviously fake. I think it's a lot easier to notice if you're actually looking past the facade. I have some relatives who are proto-duggars (not quiverfulls but they did attempt to go for 6), and putting out that facade works, especially on people not wanting to look past it. Worked on me as a kid until I noticed some of the abusive poo poo going on and then the floodgates opened. People who know about the skeletons in their closet will still fall into the "Well, they're still good people" trap, simply because they present themselves as good hardworking American christians.
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I watched the whole documentary yesterday. I knew a lot about the Duggars and their weird value system, but the documentary showed even more and really freaked me out at a few places. The way kids are basically seen as things to be trained so they can become little workers and then eventually married off is really hosed up. Michelle Duggar gladly talked about putting an infant on a blanket, putting toys just out of their reach, and then punishing them while they reached for the toys. And I had to shut it off at one point; they show the founder of their weird religion and he invites this little kid up on stage, maybe like 8 years old. And he starts spanking this kid while the crowd hoots and hollers for it, then he asks the kid for a hug and explains that parents should do this to show they still love their kid. The kid apparently didn't hug him enough, because then he tells the kid to get on his knee and he just starts spanking away before asking for another crowd. And this crowd was just eating it up, clapping and cheering and laughing because man oh man, this kid was getting his little butt spanked and didn't know what to do!
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namlosh posted:This is totally a personal thing but god drat do I hate TikTok… it saddens me that good, funny content like this is trapped in that hellscape. Again, I know it’s my personal hangup yeah tiktok sucks for content longer than a vine. maybe slightly longer than that but vine was great
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A Fancy Hat posted:I watched the whole documentary yesterday. I knew a lot about the Duggars and their weird value system, but the documentary showed even more and really freaked me out at a few places. Thanks for the heads up, that’s reprehensible. If this is how millennial Christian fash was raised, no wonder they’re a loving wreck. Ugh, a close friend of mine in college went through the gamut, and bolted when he was eighteen because he’s gay. He’s got a wonderful, fantastic life, filled with chosen family and great friends, but what he went through as a kid? Still haunts me hearing him tell me.
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Deki posted:People who know about the skeletons in their closet will still fall into the "Well, they're still good people" trap, simply because they present themselves as good hardworking American christians. A Fancy Hat posted:The way kids are basically seen as things to be trained so they can become little workers and then eventually married off is really hosed up. Michelle Duggar gladly talked about putting an infant on a blanket, putting toys just out of their reach, and then punishing them while they reached for the toys. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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