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General Battuta posted:Wasn't there only an LB-10X at first? Clearly it's large buckshot 10x
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Jun 8, 2023 06:35
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GD_American posted:LB-10X, Streak SRM-2, Ultra AC/5, ER Large Laser. No other sizes of those flavors at first. Were Blasers introduced at the same time?
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Jun 8, 2023 09:14
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Were Blasers introduced at the same time? The personal weapon was introduced in the Mechwarrior RPG first edition. I know the Mech version wasn't in TRO 2750, but I'm not sure when it was introduced.
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Jun 8, 2023 12:39
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Were Blasers introduced at the same time? Do you mean in universe or which book it debuted in?
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Jun 8, 2023 12:54
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The Pride anthology has a great "worms eye view" story of how utterly terrifying a completely unremarkable lovely medium mech is to a motorized infantry platoon.
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Jun 8, 2023 13:18
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Technowolf posted:Do you mean in universe or which book it debuted in? The book
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Jun 8, 2023 13:55
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I'm pretty sure Binary Lasers don't turn up on anything non-experimental until the Celestials start fielding them during the Jihad.
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Jun 8, 2023 15:49
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I think they first appeared in the Tac Handbook, but then weren't really seen until the Jihad.
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Jun 8, 2023 16:38
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It’s funny that blazers were good and got put on some designs and then they were look “oops we swapped the heat and damage values sorry” and, well, look where we are now.
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General Battuta posted:It’s funny that blazers were good and got put on some designs and then they were look “oops we swapped the heat and damage values sorry” and, well, look where we are now. All I know about Blasers is that they stink in HBS BattleTech. I found a local gaming store with a BattleTech group already playing every week. Going to try to go there in a week or two and check them out.
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Jun 8, 2023 16:52
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Defiance Industries posted:I think they first appeared in the Tac Handbook, but then weren't really seen until the Jihad. PoptartsNinja posted:I'm pretty sure Binary Lasers don't turn up on anything non-experimental until the Celestials start fielding them during the Jihad. Yeah there was a Zeus prototype (6Y) in 2922 and an experimental Marauder (4X) in 3039, but nothing that goes into full production until the Jihad
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Jun 8, 2023 17:13
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:All I know about Blasers is that they stink in HBS BattleTech. Wait what's a binary laser?
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Jun 8, 2023 17:43
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It's basically 2 large lasers stapled together, with some inefficiencies due to design. In the game, it's 12 damage for 16 heat, 9 tons, with range bands of 5/10/15. I think it actually has a place, even if it's a little inefficient, because it's the only IS headcapper outside of Gauss or AC-20s, but I also think managing heat is really fun and like weird suboptimal designs. It was kind of a late-comer in the real world, so very few designs use it canonically, even though it's an old weapon in-universe and I don't think it ever became Lostech.
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Jun 8, 2023 17:58
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ilmucche posted:Wait what's a binary laser? Two large lasers strapped together. 9 tons, 12 damage, 16 heat, large laser ranges. EDIT: the Heavy PPC does everything you want the blazer to do but slightly better, there's a reason it didn't take back off.
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Jun 8, 2023 17:58
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FishFood posted:It's basically 2 large lasers stapled together, with some inefficiencies due to design. In the game, it's 12 damage for 16 heat, 9 tons, with range bands of 5/10/15. I think it actually has a place, even if it's a little inefficient, because it's the only IS headcapper outside of Gauss or AC-20s, but I also think managing heat is really fun and like weird suboptimal designs. It was kind of a late-comer in the real world, so very few designs use it canonically, even though it's an old weapon in-universe and I don't think it ever became Lostech. Except by the time it's actually being used the Heavy PPC exists and is better
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Jun 8, 2023 18:00
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I always forget about the Heavy PPC, yeah. I guess the Blazer has the small benefit of no minimum range and being one ton lighter, but 15 damage for 15 heat is a much better deal.
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Jun 8, 2023 18:04
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The binary laser is just biding its time for the Blue Shield meta
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FishFood posted:I always forget about the Heavy PPC, yeah. General Battuta posted:The binary laser is just biding its time for the Blue Shield meta
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Jun 8, 2023 19:18
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:How do you forget one of the most efficient tonnage-to-damage grouping weapons the IS can get their hands on?!? I don't really play past the Clan Invasion. 
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Jun 8, 2023 19:31
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IMHO HPPCs are one of the main reasons to play Jihad and all the Republic eras. IS mediums and heavies that score internal structure damage/crit chances, in only a few rounds, without giving everything else up altogether, are simply divine.
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Jun 8, 2023 21:46
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Heavy PPCs, Snub-Nosed PPCs, and VSP Lasers are all really good. I haven't gotten the hang of PPC capacitors yet but in theory they should be a nice addition. Word of Blake uses a lot of those things so I've never had a shortage of them to choose from. Definitely a good reason to praise Blessed Blake. Though since I was inspired to start looking at Dark Age Federated Suns stuff thanks to the intensely stupid CES-5D Caesar, I've fallen in love with the ENF-6NAIS Enforcer III and its TComp-enhanced SNPPC and Large VSPL. I'm also trying out SNT-W5 Sentry next game - 5/8/5 isn't spectacular for a 40 tonner but it's a 40 tonner with a Large VSPL. Also PTR-7D Penetrator with its 4/6/4 move, two AES-enhanced SNPPCs, and 6 MPLs, and reflective armor. I'm taking those four in an 8000 BV game soon. For a later game I want to try the MDG-1Ar Rakshasa which just has a nice and simple 5/8 move with 2 SNPPC and 2 MML7s. Maybe also the SGT-14R Sagittaire with 3/5/3 move, 2 Large VSPL, Clan ERPPC, 3 Clan ERML, and Targeting Computer. Kind of sad that the TDF-F11 Thunder Fox is named Fox without being FedSuns but maybe it will inspire me to look at the new Lyran stuff. (I'm not a huge stickler for faction availability but I prefer to stick to it myself.) It is a quad with 5/7/5 movement, hardened armor, torso-mounted cockpit, and a head turret with a Clan ERPPC and Targeting Computer. Like that Caesar it's super expensive in terms of BV but it's the same kind of stupid that just inspires me.
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Jun 8, 2023 23:07
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BattleMaster posted:Heavy PPCs, Snub-Nosed PPCs, and VSP Lasers are all really good. I haven't gotten the hang of PPC capacitors yet but in theory they should be a nice addition. PPC Capacitors are a "sometimes" tool. If you've got a turn where you're just repositioning? Charge the capacitor. If your shots are terrible but don't think you're going to get cored this turn, charge the capacitor. Use it tactically when someone looks like they're about to rush you to encourage them to keep their distance.
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Jun 8, 2023 23:16
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PoptartsNinja posted:PPC Capacitors are a "sometimes" tool. If you've got a turn where you're just repositioning? Charge the capacitor. If your shots are terrible but don't think you're going to get cored this turn, charge the capacitor. I guess it makes sense that if you have a good shot it's better to just take the shot instead of charging it up. So dumb Lyran "Hell's Wall" force for 8000 BV: 2780 - Viking IIC 2192 - CES-5R Caesar (Not the much better 5D sadly) 2426 - TDF-F11 Thunder Fox 593 - STM-R1 Storm Raider (obvious filler but still somehow seems better than the low BV suggests) So will 3 out of 4 units having hardened armor make up for them being a little underpowered? Will it be so annoying to fight that the game ends in a divorce? I'll roll those dice
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Jun 8, 2023 23:41
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BattleMaster posted:Also PTR-7D Penetrator with its 4/6/4 move, two AES-enhanced SNPPCs, and 6 MPLs, and reflective armor. I'm taking those four in an 8000 BV game soon. pfft shiny penetrator
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Jun 9, 2023 00:05
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:pfft shiny penetrator Most Shiny Penetrators need C batteries. This one comes with a fusion engine!
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Jun 9, 2023 02:38
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Question- has there been a case yet of two Mechs having the exact same specs? Like different designs, but same tonnage and loadout?
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Jun 9, 2023 03:02
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There are a few Dark Age Omnimechs that are pretty similar.
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I can think of a few things that end up fairly similar like the JR7-F and JVN-10F or the BZK-G2 and HER-5ME that have the same weapon loadouts but slightly different weights and movement profiles. I can't think of a single example of two 'mechs that are said to be two different chassis that have the same weight, movement profile, and weapons, even allowing for differences in armor, internal layout, and heat dissipation. Even among 'mechs of the same chassis, there aren't very many variants that are completely identical. There are plenty of small variants like the SDR-7M and SDR-8M that are identical except that the latter has DHS, or the Firestarter variants that swap out ECM for BAP. The one exception that I can think of is the VTR-9K and VTR-9D which are identical except that the lore says their components come from different sources.
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I think the closest two mechs get to being identical is the Wolf Trap and Centurion-9D? Exact same weapons loadout but the WFT has 1 ton less armor and no Artemis IV.
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Defiance Industries posted:I think the closest two mechs get to being identical is the Wolf Trap and Centurion-9D? Exact same weapons loadout but the WFT has 1 ton less armor and no Artemis IV. Yeah they're extremely similar but they're still 5 tons off and the Centurion has a rear-facing laser and one more ton of LRMs in addition to the different armor and the Artemis. Still probably the closest thing though. The game is pretty good about having huge loads of chassis and variants to choose from without actually retreading the same thing over and over. And even the Centurion and Wolf Trap have different art, lore, faction availability, and theming.
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GD_American posted:Question- has there been a case yet of two Mechs having the exact same specs? Like different designs, but same tonnage and loadout? The Timberwolf D and Savage Wolf Prime share a nearly identical loadout at the same tonnage, but the Savage Wolf's Ferro Lamellor armor is the biggest difference there.
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GD_American posted:Question- has there been a case yet of two Mechs having the exact same specs? Like different designs, but same tonnage and loadout? I don't have it in front of me, but once upon a time while flipping through ye olde TRO3050, I happened to notice that the Thug and Hatamoto-chi presented therein are literally identical except that one uses single heat sinks and the other doubles.
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Volkova III posted:I don't have it in front of me, but once upon a time while flipping through ye olde TRO3050, I happened to notice that the Thug and Hatamoto-chi presented therein are literally identical except that one uses single heat sinks and the other doubles. Oh yeah, that's true. There's an in-universe reason being that the Draconis Combine reverse-engineered a Comstar Thug and put together a clone using things they had on hand at a Charger factory. So the Hatamoto-Chi was a Charger done up to look like a samurai, with nearly identical characteristics to the Thug. They even have the same armor allocation. Other than the heat sinks, the only difference is that the Hatamoto-Chi is missing a left hand like the Charger. Because they were explicitly meant to be nearly identical it slipped my mind.
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 Don’t get to play an awful lot, but my first game with this Highlander here went well. Good overview location, landed some excellent shots. Enemy Dire Wolf A crested his hill. I’ve got a better pilot, fresh armor, figure I could survive posing an easier target while I maneuvered my lighter dudes. 
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Jun 9, 2023 16:52
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For a long while in Gamers World Dublin there was a record sheet pinned to the wall of a Crab that got unlucky when a single platoon of LRR armed ISBA fired at it. All four 2 point hits were to the head, one was a TAC, and it took out the cockpit. BattleTech!
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Jun 9, 2023 19:20
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you screwed up using that record sheet, there's no head on it
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Weak spot for massive damage crab?
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are they going to offer a downloadable ashcan/beta draft of the updated rules in the kickstarter ahead of the physical release?
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There was a second round of the beta announced in Update 28, with links to a second draft. The beta closed on May 15th and the final draft was completed yesterday. There were a lot of changes from the first to the second, but very few from the second to the third (all the destroy check numbers went up by one, and some advanced tech was added), so if you download the second from the update above you'll have a good sense of what things look like.
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