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Annointed posted:I think I'm good. Was it this video Schwarzwald did on Voltes V '77? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6MOz2M_Gvs Either way, I enjoyed the examination of the series. It's always fun learning more about Gundam precursors.
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Jun 9, 2023 03:57
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Shyrka posted:Mandalore dropped a video about a game made by a crazy one man studio. aw jesus i forgot all about the endless rope bridge sequence acrophobes and arachnophobes have a rough go with this game
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Jun 9, 2023 04:00
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He mentions a swamp creature that tries to draw you towards it with music. That's one of the Norwegian folklore monsters, right? The fiddler in the bog who draws people into the mud with his music to drown them?
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Jun 9, 2023 04:11
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mycot posted:Bridget was in XX though and has always looked like that. Oh I was just talking in general. Guilty Gear kinda lost my interest when it moved its balance from heavy metal and anime more towards anime and less heavy metal, but I do get as Blazblue taught them that poo poo sells very well. Or I grew out of it, whatever came first. Grondoth posted:This is a missing piece of the puzzle I'd never considered. Watching the spaces that used to mock racists and spam anti-gay websites with pictures of dicks slowly turn into places where racism is normalized and get pissed at the Gay Agenda always confused me cause it felt like a complete 180. But it wasn't. While I, even as a kid, saw it as resentment of conservative groups and ideas(I was an edgy athiest mad at creationists and religion), it's easy for people to absorb that anyone who gets upset about stuff is dumb and bad. The difference between people getting mad that a woman dances with a man on TV and people who get upset when you just drop the N word doesn't exist if your entire understanding of good and bad is if someone gets angry at you for it. Place used to be kinda decent if you were a kid looking for less popular pop culture stuff. Since the site's full of contrarians who hate things cause they're popular, they'd sometimes bring up cool things like EYE Divine Cybermancy or some Mexican movie nobody in the West had ever heard of.
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Jun 9, 2023 05:06
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Schwarzwald posted:The wild thing is that 4chan actually did make some overtures in that direction, at least within the couple boards I occasionally visited, but with complete anonymity and no moderation the effort was just overwhelmed. 4chan was always doomed. Any online community beyond a certain size will attract some number of bigots, reactionaries, and fascists. Without active moderation, those voices will eventually take over. Either through active suppression or by making the atmosphere so toxic that anyone decent self-selects out of the community. 4chan vehemently opposed any form of moderation, and so it was defenseless when the sickness took hold. Edit: in smaller communities, it's possible for a larger number of good folks to squeeze out a small number of shitters, but at scale and when lacking moderation power the good folks always lose because for them the fight is exhausting. For the fascists, the fight is fun. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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Jun 9, 2023 06:11
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There's a recent article on how 4chan handled moderation which gives a lot of insight on the people who drive the culture of that website https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/06/inside-4chans-top-secret-moderation-machine/
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Jun 9, 2023 06:19
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The Saddest Rhino posted:There's a recent article on how 4chan handled moderation which gives a lot of insight on the people who drive the culture of that website Yeah, this is basically how it goes. Moot wanted a more permissive space and didn't realize the monster he created until it was already too big for him to fight—to the degree that he even wanted to fight it since I'd argue a lot of his regret is wishful thinking in retrospect. Understandable, as it must suck to wake up every morning and realize 4chan is his fault. I'd probably do a little creative memory editing myself. In any case, it was already over the edge and approaching terminal velocity before he quit, rendering anything that happened after, well, moot.
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Jun 9, 2023 06:30
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Skippy McPants posted:Yeah, this is basically how it goes. Moot wanted a more permissive space and didn't realize the monster he created until it was already too big for him to fight—to the degree that he even wanted to fight it since I'd argue a lot of his regret is wishful thinking in retrospect. Understandable, as it must suck to wake up every morning and realize 4chan is his fault. I'd probably do a little creative memory editing myself. Yeah, moot was a dumb idiot kid who was admittedly underage by his own rules when he created 4chan, creating a "censorship free" space without realizing what kind of posting it would invite. I distinctly remember way back in the day when I actively browsed 4chan moot closed /pol/ because he was tired of it being a right wing reactionary space, and after a lot of hand-wringing was convinced to open it back up on the condition that it would not become, in his own words, /stormfront/ again. Except whoops his moderation policy was poo poo and the beast he'd created was way too far gone to actually realize that, and by the time /pol/ had become the right wing reactionary bastion of the internet moot had long since noped out of the whole thing and sold his site off.
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Jun 9, 2023 07:01
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Grondoth posted:I think a lot of old internet hands spent a little time on the chans, at least. The Traditional Games board was a bit of a hangout spot for me, and it didn't feel terrible. Jokes about -4 Str were common cause the idea that someone would go out of their way to put lovely ideas in a game was just funny. But last time I checked it became the kind of place where people make -4 Str systems. Yeah, I think about this a lot. I can't speak to actual numbers, but I myself had that experience and anecdotally I've heard "yeah I was on 4chan back when I was 13, then eventually I got the hell out of there" or something similar pretty often.
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Jun 9, 2023 07:09
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John Murdoch posted:Yeah, I think about this a lot. I can't speak to actual numbers, but I myself had that experience and anecdotally I've heard "yeah I was on 4chan back when I was 13, then eventually I got the hell out of there" or something similar pretty often. Again, that self-selection process. I think a lot of people are honestly too hard on themselves when they think, "oh, I can't believe I posted on [X] horrible place back in [1989-2009], what a dumb idiot I was." The reality is that basically zero online communities before the 2010s with more than 50ish people would meet modern standards for decency and behavior. Parts of 4chan were worse than many other places online, but not so much worse that you couldn't ignore those parts to enjoy what you liked... for a while, until a sea change occurred and it was that much worse. I also think too many people harbor doubts and worries that they might have fallen down the alt-right pipeline because they posted on places like 4chan. "If I hadn't gotten out, it coulda been me." Really, though, probably not. Maybe in some edge cases, but the culture of those alt-right spaces are less like indoctrination centers and more like Nigerian email scams. They're not looking for people who are thoughtful or inquisitive—and actively drive such people away—because they are useless to the movement. If you were able to sense the toxic vibe and leave, then you were never going to be available for them to recruit.
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Jun 9, 2023 07:31
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Skippy McPants posted:Again, that self-selection process. I think a lot of people are honestly too hard on themselves when they think, "oh, I can't believe I posted on [X] horrible place back in [1989-2009], what a dumb idiot I was." Surprisingly enough, the server that ran leaky-cauldron.opasia.dk:6667 was running until 2016 or so - just quietly humming along at an ISP that'd forgotten all about it for over a decade. I'm absolutely one of the people who're very thankful I got the gently caress away from 4chan and rereg'd on SA in 2009 (I lost my original account and the email account associated with it), though. I don't know if I would've been radicalized by the changing nature; I'd like to think I wouldn't have been, but there's always that doubt that remains, which scares me so badly.
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Jun 9, 2023 09:16
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Archer666 posted:I'm very happy I stopped paying attention to Guilty Gear after 2 cause everything about it just seems so tiresome. Archer666 posted:Oh I was just talking in general. Guilty Gear kinda lost my interest when it moved its balance from heavy metal and anime more towards anime and less heavy metal, but I do get as Blazblue taught them that poo poo sells very well. Or I grew out of it, whatever came first
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Jun 9, 2023 09:45
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Skippy McPants posted:Again, that self-selection process. I think a lot of people are honestly too hard on themselves when they think, "oh, I can't believe I posted on [X] horrible place back in [1989-2009], what a dumb idiot I was." Well see that's what I mean, I actually wasn't just one of those people who quietly lurked on /co/ or /tg/ and avoided the toxic waste. I started off on LUE back in ye olden GameFAQs days and eventually got filtered towards /b/. And that poo poo very much did have a negative impact on me. Sure, there was background radiation shittiness everywhere back then, but I was a bit more knee deep in the crap and it fostered some real regrettable poo poo. Though tbh, I also don't see anything wrong with regretting even the background radiation stuff either. Don't have to beat yourself up about it, but I don't think it's unfair to reckon with it either. Eventually I grew the hell up and got better educated and I guess most important started to actually give a poo poo about other people instead of being a petulant teenager. (Being queer probably helped, though frankly I was already pro-LGBTQIA+ at a young age and well before I came out.) Though to speak to your last point, the original GG manifesto was like, textbook "bitter boyfriend lashing out at his ex" bullshit and it was never subtle about that even a little bit. I could see right through it, but apparently it spoke to a lot of other stupid, bitter jackasses. Granted, that was before the alt-right really started actively trying to hook people in. If they had been pumping out their lovely pseudo-science Youtube content a few years earlier, maybe it'd have worked on me. 
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Jun 9, 2023 10:15
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I think SA and 4chan are really interesting parallels. Both were originally conceived by and subsumed in late 90's to mid naughts internet culture at their inceptions. Bother fostered a community that predominately identified as being part of an edgy counter culture. Bother were founded by idiot manchildren. Where they diverge is that as the times changed, the userbase matured, and what became acceptable as edgy humor vs just being a hateful rear end in a top hat began to morph, SA slowly but begrudgingly changed for the better, whereas 4chan dug its heels in and turned against anybody trying to better themselves. The SA of even just 10 years ago is much closer to what 4chan is now than what SA is today. We may be a dead gay comedy forum with questionable moderation that's still trying to shake off the stigma of the real world abuses of our original founder but like, goddammit at least we're genuinely trying even if it often times feels like a two steps forward, one step backward process. 4chan meanwhile is still mired in the same myopia of incel nerds mad that a game they didn't like made by an outspoken feminist garnered a modicum of games media praise almost a decade ago and that somehow inexplicably informs all of their identity politics. It's so loving bizarre and sad and seriously how did so many brains get broken.
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Jun 9, 2023 10:15
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John Murdoch posted:Though to speak to your last point, the original GG manifesto was like, textbook "bitter boyfriend lashing out at his ex" bullshit and it was never subtle about that even a little bit. I could see right through it, but apparently it spoke to a lot of other stupid, bitter jackasses. Yeah, this is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Not that the alt-right pipeline isn't a real thing, but like the Turner Diaries or Mein Kampf, /pol was less about converting people and more about providing reinforcement and community to people who were already fully bought in. Sydin posted:I think SA and 4chan are really interesting parallels. Both were originally conceived by and subsumed in late 90's to mid naughts internet culture at their inceptions. Bother fostered a community that predominately identified as being part of an edgy counter culture. Bother were founded by idiot manchildren. The difference is that on SA a sufficient percentage of the community was invested in and, crucially, empowered to improve the forum. What that improvement looks like changed over time but even Lowtax, for all his miserable qualities, had a higher standard than unfiltered nihilism. Obviously, this place still had to beat pretty absurd odds to end up where it is now, but compared to something like 4chan, where the whole point was an overt rejection of anything mattering, SA had a leg up. Overall, I think fewer brains were broken than people want to realize. There is a persistent desire to find some dramatic change that took hold of these folks and turned them. I think is it closer to the truth to say that many of them were always thus, but the stakes used to be lower so it was easier for us to ignore or overlook the early warning signs. Many of them were already radicalized, and all the past decade did was reveal them.
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Jun 9, 2023 10:38
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John Murdoch posted:Well see that's what I mean, I actually wasn't just one of those people who quietly lurked on /co/ or /tg/ and avoided the toxic waste. I started off on LUE back in ye olden GameFAQs days and eventually got filtered towards /b/. And that poo poo very much did have a negative impact on me. Sure, there was background radiation shittiness everywhere back then, but I was a bit more knee deep in the crap and it fostered some real regrettable poo poo. Though tbh, I also don't see anything wrong with regretting even the background radiation stuff either. Don't have to beat yourself up about it, but I don't think it's unfair to reckon with it either. Those boards were tolerable when I still lurked those back in early 2010s mostly because a lot of talented people doing creative art (or even just meme circlejerk) threads made the quality content rise up out of the usual swamp of nerd slapfights. However the chud takeover was inevitable because the anonymity culture was beneficial to people eaten up by their insecurity and envy who seeked enemies in "attention whores", everyone around them irl and society that refused to grant them what they though they were owed.
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Jun 9, 2023 11:26
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4chan was terribly moderated but there wasn't really a universal reactionary consensus on the level of spinoffs like 8chan, the biggest issue was how easily antisocial behavior like calling everyone a f*g was incorporated widely into board culture. its sort of like if you make soup but then pour a lethal dose of poison in, it doesn't matter that most of the soup isn't poison there's still enough poison to kill someone.
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Jun 9, 2023 14:03
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That was a really good conversation about cryptoc/NFTs, metaverse, AI, and other overhyped VC techbro crap. Thanks for sharing!
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Jun 9, 2023 15:41
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:4chan was terribly moderated but there wasn't really a universal reactionary consensus on the level of spinoffs like 8chan, the biggest issue was how easily antisocial behavior like calling everyone a f*g was incorporated widely into board culture. its sort of like if you make soup but then pour a lethal dose of poison in, it doesn't matter that most of the soup isn't poison there's still enough poison to kill someone.
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Jun 9, 2023 15:44
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:But all soup has an LD50 rating, OP. That's not really a useful comment, considering everything has a LD50-rating. You can kill yourself very easily by just over-eating very basic stuff like sugar and salt. also normally it's accepted that you need to do re-testing if you put poisonous substances into your soup, that old LD50-rating is kind of obsolete after you add rat poison additive to your chicken soup
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Jun 9, 2023 15:49
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fatherboxx posted:Those boards were tolerable when I still lurked those back in early 2010s mostly because a lot of talented people doing creative art (or even just meme circlejerk) threads made the quality content rise up out of the usual swamp of nerd slapfights. However the chud takeover was inevitable because the anonymity culture was beneficial to people eaten up by their insecurity and envy who seeked enemies in "attention whores", everyone around them irl and society that refused to grant them what they though they were owed. I have to wonder how much Let's Play also helped foster that change by bringing in new people. I lurked Let's Play for years before registering and I vaguely remember complaints about posters from LP wandering over to GBS and not knowing how to post
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Jun 9, 2023 16:16
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Happy Landfill posted:I have to wonder how much Let's Play also helped foster that change by bringing in new people. I lurked Let's Play for years before registering and I vaguely remember complaints about posters from LP wandering over to GBS and not knowing how to post That was always a trick, there was no proper way to post in GBS
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Jun 9, 2023 16:34
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The only reason I even visited 4chan back in like 2008 was because of same fan recreations of comics that were on there. It almost seemed wholesome on certain boards.
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Jun 9, 2023 16:47
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Mr.Radar posted:That was a really good conversation about cryptoc/NFTs, metaverse, AI, and other overhyped VC techbro crap. Thanks for sharing! I unsubscribed from Conover's channel because I get pretty tired of his condescending schtick, especially when he's wrong, but I'm going to have to watch this for Dan. I binged the entire Folding Ideas over the last couple of days, and they have been making great stuff for a long time. A lot of his commentary over the last 7 years has been incredibly prescient.
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Jun 9, 2023 16:49
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:I unsubscribed from Conover's channel because I get pretty tired of his condescending schtick, especially when he's wrong, but I'm going to have to watch this for Dan. I binged the entire Folding Ideas over the last couple of days, and they have been making great stuff for a long time. A lot of his commentary over the last 7 years has been incredibly prescient. Honestly Adam's insights and questions during the talk are alright and sometimes pretty good, but the constant laughing at his own jokes and hyper upbeat delivery do take away from it.
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Jun 9, 2023 16:59
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DeafNote posted:The only reason I even visited 4chan back in like 2008 was because of same fan recreations of comics that were on there. I feel like places like /co/ were...slightly less edgelordy? I remember threads of people being really excited when Tangled came out and posting fanart and stuff. I mean, this was the board willing to watch MLP, even if only ""ironically""
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Jun 9, 2023 16:59
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Yeah it was places like the tv or videogame boards that were more prone to the absolute worst people saying the most hateful things. Btw KREAL HAS RETURNED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ-VRHgG9xQ
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Jun 9, 2023 17:31
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Happy Landfill posted:I have to wonder how much Let's Play also helped foster that change by bringing in new people. I lurked Let's Play for years before registering and I vaguely remember complaints about posters from LP wandering over to GBS and not knowing how to post I think Let's Play benefited a bit from the elitism in this case, because certain things became associated with youtube / offsite LPs and thus some thing you just didn't do here and some types of edgy humour / ironic bigotry was one of them. But there was still a lot of lovely language tossed around for quite a while, look up some earlier let's plays on the archive and you'll probably find a lot of stuff called retarded. IME a lot of people took the time around gamergate as an opportunity to clean up their vocabulary, because why would you risk getting mistaken for one of those shitheads if you didn't agree with them. But yeah certain parts of SA has been better in certain aspects than others.
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Jun 9, 2023 17:51
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:I unsubscribed from Conover's channel because I get pretty tired of his condescending schtick, especially when he's wrong, but I'm going to have to watch this for Dan. I binged the entire Folding Ideas over the last couple of days, and they have been making great stuff for a long time. A lot of his commentary over the last 7 years has been incredibly prescient. there's a folding ideas video you probably want to watch that's not on the folding ideas channel by the way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baAwos42UBw
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Jun 9, 2023 18:35
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Hel posted:I think Let's Play benefited a bit from the elitism in this case, because certain things became associated with youtube / offsite LPs and thus some thing you just didn't do here and some types of edgy humour / ironic bigotry was one of them. But there was still a lot of lovely language tossed around for quite a while, look up some earlier let's plays on the archive and you'll probably find a lot of stuff called retarded. IME a lot of people took the time around gamergate as an opportunity to clean up their vocabulary, because why would you risk getting mistaken for one of those shitheads if you didn't agree with them. But yeah certain parts of SA has been better in certain aspects than others. Back in the day Let's Play was also embarrassingly cliquey and people would start feuds over video standards or whatever the hell. Though it is pretty funny that for the longest time LP was seen as some weird mutant offshoot, only barely tolerated by the rest of SA at large. I mean, after all, who would watch somebody else play video games on the internet??
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Jun 9, 2023 19:06
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DeafNote posted:Btw  Hel posted:I think Let's Play benefited a bit from the elitism in this case, because certain things became associated with youtube / offsite LPs and thus some thing you just didn't do here and some types of edgy humour / ironic bigotry was one of them. But there was still a lot of lovely language tossed around for quite a while, look up some earlier let's plays on the archive and you'll probably find a lot of stuff called retarded. IME a lot of people took the time around gamergate as an opportunity to clean up their vocabulary, because why would you risk getting mistaken for one of those shitheads if you didn't agree with them. But yeah certain parts of SA has been better in certain aspects than others. LP has a weird self-selection characteristic to it where lots of bad posters reg and go there ASAP to immediately embarrass themselves, and how they respond to getting slapped down by the mods quickly informs if they're a viable long term community member or not. Occasionally you have people who clean their act up and learn how to post and stick around but a lot of them instead get really indignant and end up quickly running off into the sunset.
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Jun 9, 2023 19:10
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DeafNote posted:Yeah it was places like the tv or videogame boards that were more prone to the absolute worst people saying the most hateful things. Woah
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Jun 9, 2023 21:40
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:4chan was terribly moderated but there wasn't really a universal reactionary consensus on the level of spinoffs like 8chan, the biggest issue was how easily antisocial behavior like calling everyone a f*g was incorporated widely into board culture. its sort of like if you make soup but then pour a lethal dose of poison in, it doesn't matter that most of the soup isn't poison there's still enough poison to kill someone. A lot of the rot also came from "containment boards" like /pol/ where Nazis had a safe space to say whatever they wanted and then were allowed to spread their poo poo to other boards as long as they didn't say too many slurs. There needs to be a good examination and takedown of that idea because idiot moderators still keep thinking it's a good idea.
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Jun 9, 2023 23:43
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Acute Grill posted:A lot of the rot also came from "containment boards" like /pol/ where Nazis had a safe space to say whatever they wanted and then were allowed to spread their poo poo to other boards as long as they didn't say too many slurs. What do you think you’re posting in right now
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Jun 9, 2023 23:49
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Arivia posted:What do you think you’re posting in right now That was the saddest episode of Scrubs.
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Jun 9, 2023 23:53
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DoctorWhat posted:That was the saddest episode of Scrubs. I didn’t watch Scrubs so I don’t get the reference sorry.
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Jun 9, 2023 23:56
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Arivia posted:What do you think you’re posting in right now the online creators thread
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Jun 10, 2023 00:02
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KingKalamari posted:Can we just take a moment to recognize the bizarre relationship 4chan-style anime CHUDs have with sexy fembois? It's just very bizarre to see the cognitive dissonance of these guys' anti-LGBTQ views being paired with them actively thirsting after feminine men and transwomen? They wanna gently caress trans women but being trans is too political for them.
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Jun 10, 2023 00:13
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you either grew out of 4chan or you grew into 4chan its really simple
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Jun 10, 2023 00:26
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