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Willa Rogers posted:I'm not "looking for" anything; I was trying to keep the goalposts in the same place in order to clarify the posts to which I was initially responding. Since you made your "these statements are false" comment I don't think anyone disagreed with you. Personally, this is how I read those comments, but the posters can respond for themselves. gurragadon posted:I'm pretty sure the original person was just making a glib joke because she lies about everything. I'm not sure what goalposts you're referring to, since there doesn't actually seem to be an actual disagreement, which is why I asked you what you goal is. If the goal is "get agreement MTG probably actually went into the SCIF" then I think it's accomplished
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As I said, I had no goal beyond correcting the posts that claimed counterfactuals. As far as moving goalposts: BDawg posted:If anything matters, the part about being allowed into the SCIF. BDawg posted:She's allowed to enter a SCIF because she's a member of Congress. But, in my opinion she shouldn't be given access because she's a risk. a. She lied about having access b. She didn't lie about the access, but she shouldn't have been allowed the access. and a couple other diversionary posts as well, but this is getting into meta territory that I fear will be used as a basis for punishing me if I pursue it. I'm happy to continue the convo by PM, though, if you need further clarification.
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Willa Rogers posted:As I said, I had no goal beyond correcting the posts that claimed counterfactuals. No, thank you. I'm good.
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Willa Rogers posted:Given the forum's reputation as the serious one for political discussion, I think it's important that we stick to factual events rather than projecting our opinions & personal feelings on things that have been proven to have factually happened, as I've said. It is perfectly possible for a story to be made up even if everything in it is true. Man of the current Republican thought leaders do that pretty regularly now. The allegation you were responding to (it being "made up") was against the credibility of the claims, I believe, rather than their actual veracity. The other arguments you've bypassed about her technical inability to do what was claimed were about the veracity, but those you don't seem concerned about. "She made up the story" is not a counterfactual. It's conjecture. Guaranteed, not at all, but fairly well supported by her previous behavioural pattern of saying whatever sounds good and plausible in the moment without any real regard to what the truth might be. See: Her explanation of missing the debt ceiling vote. You asked me: Willa Rogers posted:So you're stating that she never entered the SCIF, correct? Except that was absolutely and clearly not what I stated. The original claim she made was that she went into the SCIF, read the documents, made notes, walked out and immediately wrote down everything she had just read. The two responses, as far as I can make out, were that she probably isn't technically capable of having done that, and that with her credibility issues she very possibly said it because she thought it sounded good, and who the gently caress knows what actually happened but it isn't an admission of a crime (were it even criminal) because she probably didn't do what she said like how she said it, and even if she did her saying it has very little impact on the likelihood of whether she actually did it.
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This is the post that started the conversation.Shooting Blanks posted:Isn't this illegal, or at least frowned upon? These were the subsequent replies to which I responded: Dietrich posted:She's made the whole thing up, I'm pretty sure. BDawg posted:If anything matters, the part about being allowed into the SCIF. GlyphGryph posted:With who we're talking about here, it possible she was allowed in the SCIF but never even bothered to go. This is the one that basically lies constantly right? Or is that Boebert? Again, I'm happy to continue clarification through PMs from hereon if anyone is still confused about my responses. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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Willa Rogers posted:As I said, I had no goal beyond correcting the posts that claimed counterfactuals. The only person who said anything that could be interpreted as saying she lied about going to the SCIF is BDawg, who has already made another post indicating that they understand Greene is allowed in the SCIF. It seems like when they said "being allowed into the SCIF" they meant that, unlike anything Greene said about what she saw there, which was 0% reliable, it was newsworthy and concerning that she was even let in. It was definitely confusing, but I don't believe there's any misconception left to be cleared up. We good? While it sucks Greene is seeing secret documents, I agree with the opinion that you pretty much have to let Congresspeople read docs they are entitled to from the executive branch, because it's an extremely important constitutional check, and that they can't be excluded (unless, I suppose, there was a House vote to exclude them.) In any case, I have little doubt that Greene's reading was heavily biased, as were her notes, as was her summary of the notes. There is no way she was going to look at that form and say "Oh, well, I guess it's nothing!"
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This slapfight is stupid and not interesting. Move on, everyone.
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In another arrest news, one of the guys who Paxton was impeached for being involved with has now been indicted for financial crimes. https://twitter.com/tplohetski/status/1667207609013743618 It sure feels like the courts are getting busy this year. Main Paineframe fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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Killer robot posted:Virginia did pretty nice while it lasted too. It's almost like the people who said flipping seats matters were right or something.
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Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee, initially assigned to oversee his case: Sources Apparently they assigned the same dipshit judge who assigned a special master during the investigation and was excoriated by the appeals judge for bending over backwards for Trump as the judge presiding over his trial. What a face.
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From the Trump Legal Troubles thread:raminasi posted:This Twitter account claiming some authoritative knowledge on the topic seems to think that the DoJ could get her out, but I'm not qualified to evaluate its analysis. Edit: Haha helps if I quote the right Twitter post.
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Wasn't it found that the timeline for the original set of claims about Biden and Burisma didn't make any sense? That the GOP claimed Biden tried to oust the prosecutor in question for investigating Hunter, but in fact everyone wanted him out for being openly, completely corrupt and refusing to investigate anything? Didn't Barr himself investigate the bribery claim during the Trump years and come to nothing about it? Edit: Serious question as It's been long enough that all of that has filtered out of my memory for more current nonsense. Dr. Red Ranger fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:Wasn't it found that the timeline for the original set of claims about Biden and Burisma didn't make any sense? That the GOP claimed Biden tried to oust the prosecutor in question for investigating Hunter, but in fact everyone wanted him out for being openly, completely corrupt and refusing to investigate anything? Didn't Barr himself investigate the bribery claim during the Trump years and come to nothing about it? Yeah it's nothing. The point of repeatedly bringing it up is to try and present Biden as corrupt or more corrupt than Trump as a deflection and prelude to an impeachment
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The indictment has been unsealed https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1667225924348026889?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA
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https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1667226216573575169 He had the Real poo poo, and showed it to whoever. The poo poo they got him saying on tape…
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This seems incriminating but I am not a lawyer. https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/status/1667229783199981574?s=20 quote:
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But I was assured presidential declassification powers transcend time and space?
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So that’s it, the indictment is for sharing the nuclear secrets with randos. Tuesday is going to be wild.
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Dick Trauma posted:This seems incriminating but I am not a lawyer. USCE Summer - Yeah. [Laughter.] Now we have a problem. I’m sure there’s even more unintelligent decisions we haven’t seen yet or they can’t 100% prove, but hoo boy Tuesday is gonna be wild 
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Good thing Trump never got into War Thunder or World of Tanks.
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The evidence they say they have is so obviously incriminating that this is basically going to be a "does the rule of law still exist" roll check. If I was his attorney I'd be trying to get him to try to plea bargain https://twitter.com/JeremiahDJohns/status/1667234991346950159 drat shouldn't have run so hard on, specifically, the retention of classified government documents.
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Haha they have evidence that the classified information was falling out of boxes and getting photographed on the floor by random employees "Oh no oh no"
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Bellmaker posted:USCE Summer - Yeah. [Laughter.] Now we have a problem. I feel like the obvious defense is to claim that Trump is such a pathological liar that clearly he wasn't telling the truth about the documents either. Fortunately there's a mountain of other evidence besides him just making GBS threads out his mouth. zoux posted:The evidence they say they have is so obviously incriminating that this is basically going to be a "does the rule of law still exist" roll check. If I was his attorney I'd be trying to get him to try to plea bargain Or being the most transparent administration in history 
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Angry_Ed posted:I feel like the obvious defense is to claim that Trump is such a pathological liar that clearly he wasn't telling the truth about the documents either. I'm sure the foreign intelligence services think so. https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1667226470870024193 Lmao at all those oaths of fidelity to Trump all those GOP bootlicks put out when the indictment came down  Look this is what we had to do before we could read smartphones on the can
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Given how similar their cases and personalities are, could Trump and Jack Teixeira ask to be handled together to save lawyer costs?
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zoux posted:Lmao at all those oaths of fidelity to Trump all those GOP bootlicks put out when the indictment came down Ordinarily I'd like to think at least one Republican congressperson that voted "not guilty" on the second impeachment would feel really stupid right about now and wish they had voted guilty instead, and been able to sever themselves from the Cult of 45 when the poo poo inevitably hit the fan. But I know the modern Republican party is full of idiots with no capacity for regret or self-reflection, and a belief in their own invincibility. fake edit:  https://twitter.com/hopperdropper1/status/1667231946940772352 USCE Spring: Beautiful Mind Paper Boxes
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We'll see what happens, but there's a certain poetic justice to Trump getting pinched for this after he rode Hillary's email server to the presidency in the first place.
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zoux posted:If I was his attorney I'd be trying to get him to try to plea bargain If I were his attorney I'd have left the country already. Hopefully after being paid in advance.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If I were his attorney I'd have left the country already. Hopefully after being paid in advance. lol, lmao too bad that Rudy's license was suspended
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pthighs posted:We'll see what happens, but there's a certain poetic justice to Trump getting pinched for this after he rode Hillary's email server to the presidency in the first place. I’ll just say this would be by far his most impressive feat of wriggling yet
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Yawgmoft posted:If they have the evidence as presented it would take a The case is for now being overseen by Aileen Cannon, the same judge who almost hosed the original document investigation and did such an egregious and lovely job of it she got smacked down by a bunch of fellow Trump appointees, so there is actually a decent chance of this
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If I were his attorney I'd have left the country already. Hopefully after being paid in advance. Apparently, two of Trump's top attorneys - ones who were in the meeting with the DoJ on Monday abruptly resigned as soon as the indictments dropped.
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Dick Trauma posted:This seems incriminating but I am not a lawyer. I am a lawyer, and yup.
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"And on the way to showing you these documents, by the way, I was aforethinking malice. Me, Donald J Trump, the man who is now speaking!"
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Angry_Ed posted:USCE Spring: Beautiful Mind Paper Boxes Inferior Third Season fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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We need a code upgrade that you can enter multiple titles for a thread, and each time you visit, it shows you one of them.
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