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anyone taken street fighter 6 for a spin? the thing's doing the weirdest things to my cpu, it's probably some weird optimization or the drm - or both
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kliras posted:anyone taken street fighter 6 for a spin? the thing's doing the weirdest things to my cpu, it's probably some weird optimization or the drm - or both Yeah. I haven't noticed anything weird aside from really low framerates in certain known buggy areas. For the record I have an R9 3900X. What specific things are you noticing?
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Nalin posted:Yeah. I haven't noticed anything weird aside from really low framerates in certain known buggy areas. For the record I have an R9 3900X. What specific things are you noticing? i'm assuming the regular mode is fine, but it's a bit harder to troubleshoot it over a longer period of time, especially since the jumps appear to be from interstitial menus and not the battle hub fights themselves ironic that the game itself doesn't have a benchmark system so i could try to adjust my settings more on the 1070/5800X3D
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Combat Pretzel posted:I’m kind of angry that most boards/BIOSes don’t feature ramping (anymore). In the past it was more common to be able to set a time constant to filter fan speed demands and respectively smooth out transients. MSI still has this as a pretty standard feature, as "step up / down time".
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Combat Pretzel posted:I’m kind of angry that most boards/BIOSes don’t feature ramping (anymore). In the past it was more common to be able to set a time constant to filter fan speed demands and respectively smooth out transients. My gigabyte BIOS has this as well. The actual term for it is Hysteresis. I have it disabled because I tied all my fan/pump speeds to my coolant temperature in my custom water cooler which takes 3-5 minutes to significantly move from changes in load anyway and provides basically perfect hysteresis naturally.
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Jun 9, 2023 22:07
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Try out FanControl, it's a really nice piece of software. You can set all kinds of curves with hysteresis and whatnot
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VostokProgram posted:Try out FanControl, it's a really nice piece of software. You can set all kinds of curves with hysteresis and whatnot gently caress that, I'll live with the slightly-less-than-perfect curves I can make in the firmware. Also, despite being on GitHub and using an opensource library, it's just there as a form of distribution of the compressed archive.
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Jun 9, 2023 23:25
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It also works great, so maybe get over yourself? 
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Jun 9, 2023 23:37
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Code? Running on my PC??? heh. I don't think so.
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Klyith posted:MSI still has this as a pretty standard feature, as "step up / down time". Asus has it, as well.
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kliras posted:anyone taken street fighter 6 for a spin? the thing's doing the weirdest things to my cpu, it's probably some weird optimization or the drm - or both I am almost certain there is a tiny memory leak, was seeing some slowdown after playing world tour for about six hours.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Unfortunately it's also Yet Another Electron. Then pay for Argus Monitor.
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LRADIKAL posted:Then pay for Argus Monitor. They’re an open source evangelist. You’re not going to get through to them.
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Jun 10, 2023 00:50
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What's wrong with electron apps?
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Kazinsal posted:They’re an open source evangelist. You’re not going to get through to them. Then why are they playing Diablo 4? Running Windows? There's plenty of open source games out there! Nethack and Battle for Wesnoth come to mind!
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forest spirit posted:What's wrong with electron apps? They are typically fat as gently caress, using lots more resources than a program written using the native system GUI in C would use. It's basically the entire chrome renderer stapled to your code. That being said, once you've set it up FanControl will spend most of the time minimized to the system tray so I don't think it's a terrible offender
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LRADIKAL posted:Then pay for Argus Monitor. This worked out pretty well for me.
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forest spirit posted:What's wrong with electron apps? https://twitter.com/peterpme/status/1665768675398373377
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VostokProgram posted:They are typically fat as gently caress, using lots more resources than a program written using the native system GUI in C would use. It's basically the entire chrome renderer stapled to your code. Staring at its usage in task manager FanControl sits at 34.7-8MB of RAM and oscillates between 0 and 0.1% CPU usage of my 7800x3D while minimized. Bringing it up jumps the usage to 0.7-0.9% and 111.7MB.
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LRADIKAL posted:Then why are they playing Diablo 4? Running Windows? There's plenty of open source games out there! Nethack and Battle for Wesnoth come to mind! I guarantee whatever DRM/anticheat/Warden derivative that's running inside Diablo 4 is more computationally and memory-hungry than an electron app whose UI renderer is absolutely going to be paged out or COW deduplicated by the memory manager until needed.
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worrying about the footprint of small electron apps that solve your problems reminds me of the people that used to disable random services in XP trying to minmax their available memory
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Unfortunately it's also Yet Another Electron. Look, it’s the future. You want to send a single byte payload over LPC or write to an io port or MMIO address on your PC? Web browser. Want to adjust the AC in your car? Well, that’s a web browser running on an android VM that sends a message over an ip socket to the real can controller to write can messages to the fans. Want to turn on a light bulb in your house? the “smart light switch” hits 5 AWS services to tell your smart bulb to turn on. Based solely on the yospos threads I know we both frequent this may be a serious answer for you: https://github.com/LibreHardwareMonitor/LibreHardwareMonitor There’s some info here, there probably is support for whatever NCT chip is hanging off your motherboard’s LPC bus: https://github.com/LibreHardwareMonitor/LibreHardwareMonitor/issues/5
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VostokProgram posted:They are typically fat as gently caress, using lots more resources than a program written using the native system GUI in C would use. It's basically the entire chrome renderer stapled to your code. To get really pedantic, which system GUI? Microsoft has hosed things up so much that there were many years where they were trying to introduce new, better ways to make Windows applications and failing, resulting in making a lot of GUI frameworks that they shortly abandoned. The oldest, worst of them seems to still get the most usage, WinForms. It's awful to work in and also not even DirectX accelerated so if you do complex things it can be janky too. Microsoft hosed up WPF, which was supposed to be a GUI toolkit to develop both for Windows and Silverlight, which was supposed to beat flash and take over the internet. Then they hosed up WinRT, which was supposed to let you develop both for smash hit OS Windows 8 and Windows Phone at the same time, which was supposed to be super important because Windows Phone was supposed to get a big slice of the market. Next, they kept polishing that turd until it became UWP, which people didn't want to use because it's Windows 10 only and leaves behind people on Windows 7. While all this is happening Windows is losing market share to Macs, Chromebooks and phones, but people are still wondering why everything is built on Electron using web tech? It's because Microsoft hosed up and native Windows development has become a rare skill because it just doesn't matter anymore. If FanControl was built with WinForms I'm sure people would be complaining about how ugly it looks.
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I don't really care that it's using GitHub as a distribution method, it's mostly just that some people get the impression it's opensource. Doing any kind of a systems utility in Electron, though? Nah, gently caress that. Ardryn posted:Staring at its usage in task manager FanControl sits at 34.7-8MB of RAM and oscillates between 0 and 0.1% CPU usage of my 7800x3D while minimized. Bringing it up jumps the usage to 0.7-0.9% and 111.7MB. That happened on the third day of me trying it out. hobbesmaster posted:Look, it’s the future. You want to send a single byte payload over LPC or write to an io port or MMIO address on your PC? Web browser. Want to adjust the AC in your car? Well, that’s a web browser running on an android VM that sends a message over an ip socket to the real can controller to write can messages to the fans. Want to turn on a light bulb in your house? the “smart light switch” hits 5 AWS services to tell your smart bulb to turn on. I'm aware of what libraries FanControl uses, I even mentioned them obliquely. Twerk from Home posted:To get really pedantic, which system GUI? Microsoft has hosed things up so much that there were many years where they were trying to introduce new, better ways to make Windows applications and failing, resulting in making a lot of GUI frameworks that they shortly abandoned. The oldest, worst of them seems to still get the most usage, WinForms. It's awful to work in and also not even DirectX accelerated so if you do complex things it can be janky too. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jun 10, 2023 |
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Core “complex”? Actually I find it quite shrimple
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I don't even know why people put up with Electron on the development side, and why it wasn't forked and has died yet. I've been looking into it to move my web app and its corresponding web service, I'm developing at work, onto it as a reaction to our IT department being a bunch of inept idiots, just to find out that it's behind a lot in a few important parts. For instance, ask me about ES Modules in Electron.
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:How are the ES Modules in Electron?
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Stockpile of 5800X3D with a bad core or two?
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:
Never happened to me and I've been using it for months since I built the computer. 
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Pablo Bluth posted:Stockpile of 5800X3D with a bad core or two? That’d be my guess if we’re just throwing stuff at thr wall. There isn’t an epyc Milan-x 8*6 to shove them in, it skips from 8 down to 4. That part is still $700/ccd suggested MSRP per 1ku but simply looking at that number will be extremely misleading if the main customers are cloud providers. Epyc parts do need to be more power efficient per CCD so maybe they have a bunch failing in that way? (I have always wondered if that’s why the 2 core active cores per CCD epyc parts exist, in addition of course to having memory bandwidth+higher clocks) I have no idea what the economics of the epyc parts are and I suspect all those details are closely held secrets between AMD/AWS/Azure/etc. We do know that AMD is telling investors that they’re production limited and have a huge backlog for datacenter parts. It’s clearly not that simple because a very naive reading of the situation would be that AMD should be putting 0 zen 3 CCDs into retail because there’s more money to be made selling then to cloud providers. Maybe these are CCDs that couldn’t hit the thermal/power efficiency needed for the 5800x3d? It runs hot and is voltage limited, maybe that’s it?
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hobbesmaster posted:We do know that AMD is telling investors that they’re production limited and have a huge backlog for datacenter parts. It’s clearly not that simple because a very naive reading of the situation would be that AMD should be putting 0 zen 3 CCDs into retail because there’s more money to be made selling then to cloud providers. Every desktop CPU is just a server or laptop part that couldn't cut it. Desktop has been bottom feeding off the waste forever.
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hobbesmaster posted:That’d be my guess if we’re just throwing stuff at thr wall. There isn’t an epyc Milan-x 8*6 to shove them in, it skips from 8 down to 4. That part is still $700/ccd suggested MSRP per 1ku but simply looking at that number will be extremely misleading if the main customers are cloud providers. Epyc parts do need to be more power efficient per CCD so maybe they have a bunch failing in that way? (I have always wondered if that’s why the 2 core active cores per CCD epyc parts exist, in addition of course to having memory bandwidth+higher clocks) of course, no one's really tested it yet, so we're stuck with going back and forth and repasting and reseating the chips. maybe the big ux fix we need isn't for seating pci power cables but seating, pasting, and covering cpu's kliras fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jun 10, 2023 |
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kliras posted:the variance of 5800X3D thermals have been pretty crazy from what i've read with my own (under a d15) seemingly on the warmer end. could just be binning of the chips running very hot I have a day 1 x3d and the initial thinking was that every single x3d could hit -30mV all core and hold the max all core clock in non AVX workloads with a decent AIO or the giant towers. That definitely is not the case now. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Jun 10, 2023 |
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Ardryn posted:Never happened to me and I've been using it for months since I built the computer.
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my thermals still jump up and down with -25, but we already knew that 5800X3D was going to have very "experimental" cooling and thermal dynamics maybe it's more sensitive to imperfect coverage and cooling, unlike its 7000 counterpart with a big honking ihs which sounds like it's pretty easy to cool
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Twerk from Home posted:Every desktop CPU is just a server or laptop part that couldn't cut it. Desktop has been bottom feeding off the waste forever. This isn't remotely true these days.
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1667515860758540298?t=6AD38_-okda0vc8DIk7deg&s=19 Depending on the price I might consider upgrading my secondary desktop to that from the current 3600X it runs. My primary desktop already runs a 5800X3D.
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SlapActionJackson posted:This isn't remotely true these days. Leaky chips that can clock = consumer desktop. Scalability and reusablity is the raison d'être of AMD's designs, with good reason. Or, at least, that is what I thought. Yudo fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Jun 10, 2023 |
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