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Nitrousoxide posted:It shouldn't be. You can litigate in any federal court as long as you are a member of the Federal Bar. You don't need to be a member of the state bar in which that federal court sits. Not exactly. There's no such thing as the "Federal Bar," in the sense of an organization that handles the admission and discipline of federal lawyers. You're still a member of the bar of some state, and you're most commonly a member of the bar of the state the federal court is in, and if so you just apply to be a member of the bar of that federal court (it's a bureaucratic formality, you don't need to sit another bar exam or anything). For out-of-state lawyers, you can apply to be admitted to the bar of the federal court "pro hac vice" for just the one case if you're barred in another state. So the indictment being in SDFL instead of DDC isn't a reason he changed lawyers. The lawyers bring frustrated at Boris's gatekeeping and at Trump not listening to them are why they noped out.
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:They are flailing about so wildly, it's almost getting sad. As ever they are just tipping their hand on what they're gonna do when they take power again.
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" For crimes committed and investigations started months before an announcement, doesn't yet have a primary nomination, for an election 18mo away?
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CapnAndy posted:I don't believe that, and here's why: He knows Nixon got $18 million for his classified documents. i think you're absolutely dead on about Donald Trump's thought process please seek therapy
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AsInHowe posted:That's a lot of espionage! And that's terrible.
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CapnAndy posted:I don't believe that, and here's why: He knows Nixon got $18 million for his classified documents. Please let it be Roger Stone who suggested this to him.
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Looking up the Nixon thing: “Shortly after Nixon’s resignation in 1974, Congress decreed that the General Services Administration, the parent agency of the National Archives, should seize all his White House recordings and papers to guarantee that Nixon would not destroy them.” Great precedent there. Also: “Besides the $6 million for Nixon’s library, Nixon’s attorneys, led by Herbert J. Miller, will receive $7.4 million, and approximately $3.7 million will go for estate and other federal taxes. After administrative expenses, less than 0.5% will be distributed to Nixon’s family.” https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jun-13-mn-40455-story.html
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nimby posted:Trump famously appeared on (international) television to showcase his competence though. Please enter the drawn clock into evidence
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cr0y posted:How do you even begin to build a defense strategy for this lol. You try to invalidate - claim a recording is inadmissible, witness is not credible, delay trials, file endless appeals. The plan is to run out the clock and get re-elected.
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Jun 10, 2023 14:34
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I’d probably argue that “boxes” are not “secret documents” despite the prosecution trying to use the terms interchangeably and that Trump is allowed to have boxes of personal papers and move them around.
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I got it, they're going to make a paper mache glove out of the top secret nuclear documents and use the "if the glove doesn't fit you must acquit" defense. The jury will eat it up and he'll be back to playing golf at his Florida mansion in no time.
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I thought the weakest part of the indictment was the “plucking gesture” part. A nonverbal gesture and it’s subjective interpretation is alot to hang piercing the attorney-client privilege on. I’m assuming they have stranger evidence backstopping this.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:I thought the weakest part of the indictment was the “plucking gesture” part. A nonverbal gesture and it’s subjective interpretation is alot to hang piercing the attorney-client privilege on. I’m assuming they have stranger evidence backstopping this. They have tons more evidence. The indictment just has to give a reasonable basis for charging him. The trial is going to be hilariously ugly. Also, the fact that he apparently had lots of Iranian classified material combined with his and Jared's links to Saudi Arabia gives me the feeling that they're involved in this somewhere. DoJ may be deliberately avoiding that end of it for national security reasons, though. Something I'll be watching for, anyway. ETA: https://twitter.com/McJesse/status/1667296912943493120 Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Jun 10, 2023 |
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Jun 10, 2023 15:12
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Lordy, there *are* tapes.
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Red posted:You try to invalidate - claim a recording is inadmissible, witness is not credible, delay trials, file endless appeals. The plan is to run out the clock and get re-elected. My guess is the Cannon goes ham on trying to get the tapes invalidated before she gets removed since they are the most obvious ‘smoking’ gun and the case is laughably impossible rather than just impossible for trump while that’s admissible.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:I thought the weakest part of the indictment was the “plucking gesture” part. A nonverbal gesture and it’s subjective interpretation is alot to hang piercing the attorney-client privilege on. I’m assuming they have stranger evidence backstopping this. https://twitter.com/clarkkathleen/status/1667483732188471296?s=20 This was an interesting take. Basically yeah there are a few good reasons to suspect this is just the first indictment, with more likely to come covering other activity outside Florida. It seems more aimed at a trial for Nauta than a trial for Trump. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jun 10, 2023 |
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I think I heard the same take last night on NBC or something from one of their talking heads. That the feds putting that assistant's name right there front and center next to the shitstain is to remind him that he can still cooperate because he's just an average Joe compared to the self-declared billionaire genius, and doesn't have any of the resources the other guy has. e: On a tangent, I just watched Legal Eagle's video on the lawyers who used ChatGPT to fabricate cases and lol. I hope the defense hires them.
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Jaxyon posted:Violent J is very supportive of his furry daughter. Iirc they also spoke about their earlier work being misogynist, edgy and dumb and that they grew up and apologized for it. Not unlike the Beastie Boys. Trying to be better people and all that, i respect that.
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https://twitter.com/JeffSharlet/status/1667162473021964290?s=20 I'm sure nothing will happen to him, but an sitting rep loosely calling for another insurrection.
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heard u like girls posted:Iirc they also spoke about their earlier work being misogynist, edgy and dumb and that they grew up and apologized for it. Not unlike the Beastie Boys. Trying to be better people and all that, i respect that. IIRC they re-released a lot of the older tracks too replacing the n-word with ninja and so greeting fellow juggalos as "my ninja" became a thing for a bit
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Just listened to Popehat’s podcast and it’s definitely got the doomer take if you are interested: * Cannon will probably stay the judge because she did the previous case * She can definitely delay/destroythe case with bad rulings, like saying that attorney client privilege shouldn’t have been breached so all that evidence is out * She can decide the case for the defense after the jury is seated, which is not reviewable and subject to double jeopardy so no retrial. * She could do a bench trial so there is no jury. * Best case is she does something that gets reviewed by the 11th Circuit and is so bad they send the case to a different judge as a result So basically the best defense is the judge being corrupt. Great.
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smackfu posted:Just listened to Popehat’s podcast and it’s definitely got the doomer take if you are interested: I don’t know. Reinhart was the judge for the search warrant. Cannon was the judge in a civil suit brought by Trump where she didn’t even have jurisdiction to oversee it. Her involvement was never a legit part of this.
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smackfu posted:Just listened to Popehat’s podcast and it’s definitely got the doomer take if you are interested: Thanks for this, I don’t mean to be doomerish about it, I’m happy as hell about the last few days but also don’t want to be too blindsided if some fuckery happens
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Boris Galerkin posted:e: On a tangent, I just watched Legal Eagle's video on the lawyers who used ChatGPT to fabricate cases and lol. I hope the defense hires them. That's Season 2 of the Trump Trials.
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Neo Rasa posted:IIRC they re-released a lot of the older tracks too replacing the n-word with ninja and so greeting fellow juggalos as "my ninja" became a thing for a bit Lol that's pretty great, ngl
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Snowy posted:Thanks for this, I don’t mean to be doomerish about it, I’m happy as hell about the last few days but also don’t want to be too blindsided if some fuckery happens I've taken this approach: ALWAYS assume fuckery. Always. And if it doesn't happen then you'll be pleasantly surprised, and if it does happen, you expected it anyway. Its helped me keep my sanity. I'm going to assume worst case scenario and assume the deck is stacked in his favor in every possible way from the start.
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It's worth noting that one of Trump's Friday MAGA-Twitter posts thanked his old lawyers, so apparently they parted on good terms.
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Is there a legal reason to suppose he'll be released after booking? Or is it just assumed because he's thought to be powerful? Is there any possibility trump spends the week in jail?
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smackfu posted:Just listened to Popehat’s podcast and it’s definitely got the doomer take if you are interested: Yeah White and Barro are specifically addressing the tweet going around that says Cannon being appointed is no big deal. He pointed out that Cannon can acquit from the bench and even if it’s appealed you can’t have another trial so he gets off. If she does this there’s no way to jail him. And White said that he doesn’t find it that unlikely because the reasons a judge wouldn’t do this are: 1. The respect of their colleagues 2. Their ability to get promoted 3. Their legacy. White points out that it’s likely Cannon doesn’t give a poo poo about #3 and theres increasingly a number of judges who are willing to play legal Calvinball in order to throw elbows at their opponents. His final asessment is “Who knows”. This has been your regularly scheduled doomer post.
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Uglycat posted:Is there a legal reason to suppose he'll be released after booking? Or is it just assumed because he's thought to be powerful? Wouldn't he need to be a flight risk to be denied bail?
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heard u like girls posted:Iirc they also spoke about their earlier work being misogynist, edgy and dumb and that they grew up and apologized for it. Not unlike the Beastie Boys. Trying to be better people and all that, i respect that. I mean, you can still buy their seminal, insightful collaboration with ODB, "Bitches". They're still able to make money from it.
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EasilyConfused posted:Wouldn't he need to be a flight risk to be denied bail? Have any other people been released after being booked for espianage?
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ryde posted:Yeah White and Barro are specifically addressing the tweet going around that says Cannon being appointed is no big deal. He pointed out that Cannon can acquit from the bench and even if it’s appealed you can’t have another trial so he gets off. If she does this there’s no way to jail him. And White said that he doesn’t find it that unlikely because the reasons a judge wouldn’t do this are: I'm quite certain that Smith has considered this possibility, and will have contingency plans in place to deal with it. He's not going to just shrug his shoulders and walk away.
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Uglycat posted:Have any other people been released after being booked for espianage? He's surrounded by the Secret Service at all times. He's not a flight risk.
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Deteriorata posted:I'm quite certain that Smith has considered this possibility, and will have contingency plans in place to deal with it. He's not going to just shrug his shoulders and walk away. Their point is that he had no choice and he doesn’ have a contingency.
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Nitrousoxide posted:He's surrounded by the Secret Service at all times. He's not a flight risk. You can imagine though, shaving his head and growing a moustache, trying to just drive over the Mexico border in a secret service car.
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ryde posted:Their point is that he had no choice and he doesn’ have a contingency. I only listened to the free part, how exactly do they know he doesn't have a contingency?
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ryde posted:Their point is that he had no choice and he doesn’ have a contingency. Perhaps he has another large binder labeled "MYCRIMES2.TXT" and will refile a new set of charges for other stuff he's done. We don't know what Smith's actually got. Hyperventilating about the certainty of the worst-case scenario is unnecessary.
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Deteriorata posted:Hyperventilating about the certainty of the worst-case scenario is unnecessary. It's the goon way
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Deteriorata posted:Perhaps he has another large binder labeled "MYCRIMES2.TXT" and will refile a new set of charges for other stuff he's done. We don't know what Smith's actually got. Hyperventilating about the certainty of the worst-case scenario is unnecessary. That's possible but if any of the second batch of crimes shared substantial common elements he'd likely get acquitted due to double jeopardy laws And we're living in the worst case universe. Cannon can exonerate trump and has already shown she'd like to do so. Fart Amplifier fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jun 10, 2023 |
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Fart Amplifier posted:That's possible but if any of the second batch of crimes shared substantial common elements he'd likely get acquitted due to double jeopardy laws I'm going to assume Jack Smith knows and understands the law a lot better than any of us.
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