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abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1666991438863671298

lol, just lol. this thing was already violently repulsive, and yet it somehow gets worse with each new development.

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Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
That guy just needs a snorkel now and he's all set!


Here we go, the new Apple Scuba Pro! Just 20 payments of four-hundred US dollars!



Not included, but required proprietary bluetooth enabled snokel attachment is an additional 2K.

Mercury_Storm fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Jun 9, 2023

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
They also don't show you that the bolts above the ears have to be screwed into the skull much further than you'd really reasonably want, to keep the weight well distributed as well.

Rocko Bonaparte
Mar 12, 2002

Every day is Friday!
Given my head is too loving huge for headsets last I checked before Covid, I almost feel reassured by this hulking new moon helmet.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

dr_rat posted:

They also don't show you that the bolts above the ears have to be screwed into the skull much further than you'd really reasonably want, to keep the weight well distributed as well.

What is this for, Robocop?

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Ghost Leviathan posted:

What is this for, Robocop?

Look I'm not saying that, just it's a bit suss that Tim Cook pretty obviously been putting secret directive in those visor.

No matter how many of these petty tricks you pull, you can't escape justice forever Tim!!!!

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

lol it just occurred to me that Apple is going to have to step up its anti-porn game 10x when this comes out

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

abelwingnut posted:

https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1666991438863671298

lol, just lol. this thing was already violently repulsive, and yet it somehow gets worse with each new development.

I could swear the Rift and possibly the Vive had overhead straps.

Dietrich
Sep 11, 2001

I thought the people lazing on a couch in elegant poses and moving their head entirely too cautiously were communicating something.

karthun
Nov 16, 2006

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Absurd Alhazred posted:

I could swear the Rift and possibly the Vive had overhead straps.

Vive has an overhead strap.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
I'm pretty sure they all have straps over the head to help redistribute weight.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Absurd Alhazred posted:

I could swear the Rift and possibly the Vive had overhead straps.

So does the Quest, and the Index, and probably most other VR headsets too.

The fact that Apple tried to hide it is pretty funny, though. I wonder if their design people find it embarrassing?

Owling Howl
Jul 17, 2019

Main Paineframe posted:

So does the Quest, and the Index, and probably most other VR headsets too.

The fact that Apple tried to hide it is pretty funny, though. I wonder if their design people find it embarrassing?

I think they are going for something like a lighter cool goggles aesthetic than bulky dorky VR Headset. Which in fairness is probably the right move - influencers and all the cool kids that posts free PR incessantly on social media will pay extortionate prices if it's exclusive and looks cool regardless of usefulness.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

Main Paineframe posted:

So does the Quest, and the Index, and probably most other VR headsets too.

The fact that Apple tried to hide it is pretty funny, though. I wonder if their design people find it embarrassing?

The design team hasn't been able to sleep for a year due to Steve Jobs screaming at them in their dreams.

Stexils
Jun 5, 2008

Mercury_Storm posted:

That guy just needs a snorkel now and he's all set!


Here we go, the new Apple Scuba Pro! Just 20 payments of four-hundred US dollars!



Not included, but required proprietary bluetooth enabled snokel attachment is an additional 2K.

headsets for egregious strokes

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


The stupid thing about Team Green going on all in on AI is that when this bubble goes, it risks doing to the spectacularly high margin server silicon market what the crypto flood did to home PC.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

StratGoatCom posted:

The stupid thing about Team Green going on all in on AI is that when this bubble goes, it risks doing to the spectacularly high margin server silicon market what the crypto flood did to home PC.

Can you elaborate? Is "Team Green" Nvidia? Are you suggesting that GPUs can flood the market and "replace" web server racks somehow?

shoeberto
Jun 13, 2020

which way to the MACHINES?
For cloud services, you can pick the type of hardware you're hosted on to optimize for what you're trying to do - more CPU, more memory, faster disk, etc. Getting a cloud hosted VM with attached GPU capabilities is one of those classes but it's been a bit niche for a few years compared to everything else. But it's a cost effective way to basically rent GPU compute time if you need it.

With LLMs, it's likely that cloud providers are going to massively increase their capacity for GPU VMs, which seems likely to be a short sighted investment. They could theoretically have entire data centers of racks with GPUs attached that just aren't being used.

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


Boris Galerkin posted:

Can you elaborate? Is "Team Green" Nvidia? Are you suggesting that GPUs can flood the market and "replace" web server racks somehow?

When the bubble pops, a lot of these flaky outfits will be unloading loads of server GPUs and flooding the market.

And yes, Team Green is nVidia.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


StratGoatCom posted:

The stupid thing about Team Green going on all in on AI is that when this bubble goes, it risks doing to the spectacularly high margin server silicon market what the crypto flood did to home PC.
RIP Sun Microsystems when the original dotcom balloon collapsed.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

abelwingnut posted:

https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1666991438863671298

lol, just lol. this thing was already violently repulsive, and yet it somehow gets worse with each new development.

It would be less off-putting to just make it a big astronaut helmet.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
its like tim apple saw the last few years of zuck and went hold my beer.

SaTaMaS
Apr 18, 2003

TACD posted:

lol it just occurred to me that Apple is going to have to step up its anti-porn game 10x when this comes out

While simultaneously low-key increasing Safari's 3D porn support like they did for remote mirroring and cloud streaming.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Civilized Fishbot posted:

It would be less off-putting to just make it a big astronaut helmet.

Advertise it as a safety feature. No more bumping your head while distracted!

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
Do you use ChatGPT in your academic writing and want to cite it? You're in luck! The people behind the APA Style Guide says you can do it like so:

APA Style Example posted:

When prompted with “Is the left brain right brain divide real or a metaphor?” the ChatGPT-generated text indicated that although the two brain hemispheres are somewhat specialized, “the notation that people can be characterized as ‘left-brained’ or ‘right-brained’ is considered to be an oversimplification and a popular myth” (OpenAI, 2023).

Reference

OpenAI. (2023). ChatGPT (Mar 14 version) [Large language model]. https://chat.openai.com/chat

lol and lmao I can't believe that the article isn't just "gently caress no why the gently caress would you want to cite ChatGPT as a reference."

Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Jun 11, 2023

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Boris Galerkin posted:

Do you use ChatGPT in your academic writing and want to cite it? You're in luck! The people behind the APA Style Guide says you can do it like so:

lol and lmao I can't believe that the article isn't just "gently caress no why the gently caress would you want to cite ChatGPT as a reference."

There's room for a lot of research in how people interact with ChatGPT as well as how it behaves and how it's vulnerable to injections and such.

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



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How do you properly cite a Magic 8 Ball?

Prism
Dec 22, 2007

yospos

sinky posted:

How do you properly cite a Magic 8 Ball?

Reply hazy, try again.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

sinky posted:

How do you properly cite a Magic 8 Ball?

Going by that APA Style article, I think one could do something like this:

quote:

When asked whether or not I should pet the dog, the Magic 8 Ball responded with "ask again later" (Mattel, 2022 ed.).

Reference

Mattel. 2022 ed. Magic 8 Ball [Children's Toy].

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

StratGoatCom posted:

When the bubble pops, a lot of these flaky outfits will be unloading loads of server GPUs and flooding the market.

And yes, Team Green is nVidia.

FWIW, a lot of higher ups at nVidia really hate how these fads make their sales unstable and create reseller markets. I think they might accept lower profits some quarter for more stability. They see the risk that the bubble will pop just as they're building up a new product and cause losses.
But, besides exiting that market completely, they really don't have a good way to handle these dumb tech bubbles.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

Twerk from Home posted:

There's room for a lot of research in how people interact with ChatGPT as well as how it behaves and how it's vulnerable to injections and such.

All jokes aside, there is no point in citing ChatGPT as a reference because the point of a reference is for readers to be able to verify the claims. ChatGPT and the like are all non-deterministic in their outputs, so depending on whether or not there's a solar flare going on someone who tries to verify the claims by invoking ChatGPT are going to get a totally different response.

I'm sure there is room in academic literature to show interactions with ChatGPT, but not as a reference of information.

I mean, gently caress, you could just basically write anything and simply claim that it came from ChatGPT. Nobody is going to be able to verify it anyway.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
On questioning about 1890's London serial killer period clothing the spirit of Jack the ripper stated (Hasbro. 2022 ed.) he would "cut you in your dreams".

Reference
Hasbro. 2002 ed. Ouija board [Medium to the spiritual realm].

dr_rat fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jun 11, 2023

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


StumblyWumbly posted:

FWIW, a lot of higher ups at nVidia really hate how these fads make their sales unstable and create reseller markets. I think they might accept lower profits some quarter for more stability. They see the risk that the bubble will pop just as they're building up a new product and cause losses.
But, besides exiting that market completely, they really don't have a good way to handle these dumb tech bubbles.

Wouldn't be surprised if we see LHR style governors on any 4k refresh or the 5k series if the bubble isn't over, possibly under a fig leaf of avoiding legal liablity.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

StumblyWumbly posted:

FWIW, a lot of higher ups at nVidia really hate how these fads make their sales unstable and create reseller markets. I think they might accept lower profits some quarter for more stability. They see the risk that the bubble will pop just as they're building up a new product and cause losses.
But, besides exiting that market completely, they really don't have a good way to handle these dumb tech bubbles.

Kinda surprising to see any higher ups in this day and age who have literally any foresight there, ha.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Boris Galerkin posted:

Do you use ChatGPT in your academic writing and want to cite it? You're in luck! The people behind the APA Style Guide says you can do it like so:

lol and lmao I can't believe that the article isn't just "gently caress no why the gently caress would you want to cite ChatGPT as a reference."

This is a pretty ridiculous misreading of the situation - even in the example it's clear this is for research about ChatGPT itself - what it says when prompted, why it might say that, how that might affect the people who use it. Not for getting ChatGPT to do your lit review for you

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Civilized Fishbot posted:

This is a pretty ridiculous misreading of the situation - even in the example it's clear this is for research about ChatGPT itself - what it says when prompted, why it might say that, how that might affect the people who use it. Not for getting ChatGPT to do your lit review for you

I don't really get that impression from that page. It doesn't ever specifically mention researching ChatGPT itself, and there's no hint of talking about "why it might say that" or "how it might affect the people who use it". Instead, the page talks about using ChatGPT "to create text and to facilitate their research", which sounds more like using it for generating text in the paper. Moreover, it links to another APA article about how to use ChatGPT in the classroom and treat it "as an opportunity rather than a threat", describing it as a "useful—and as some psychologists argue, revolutionary—tool to prepare students for their future careers".

In regards to the style guide page, though, I don't think it's quite so driven by blind optimism. The fact of the matter is that people are going to use ChatGPT, and it's probably better if they cite it so that readers know they used ChatGPT. If they say "don't use ChatGPT", people will just use ChatGPT anyway and lie about it. If they say "make sure to cite it properly when you use ChatGPT", maybe they won't lie about it.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Main Paineframe posted:

I don't really get that impression from that page.

Look at the quoted example. A "normal" citation would be like:

quote:

The notation that people can be characterized as left-brained or right-brained is considered to be an oversimplification and a popular myth (OpenAI, 2023)

That would be "If you want to verify what I'm saying is true, you can learn it where I learned it, ChatGPT." Stupid, ridiculous, and clearly what Boris Galerkin thinks is being promoted.

But the actual example provided is citing ChatGPT as a source for what ChatGPT itself says when prompted in a certain way, which is actually necessary if you're researching ChatGPT itself.:

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
If ChatGPT generates text randomly then what use is it to me, the person doing a peer review of the paper that's citing information out of ChatGPT? Or me, the person reading this article (that cites information out of ChatGPT) trying to get information to use in my own research?

e: When I run my numerical models to gleam information, one of the cornerstones of this modeling is that the outcome is deterministic. That it doesn't depend on the time of day I run my model, or the weather conditions on the surface of the sun, or whether or not a bunch of birds are flying overhead and altering some quantum fields, or whether or not someone else is generating random data on the same computer I run my model, etc. The outcome should be deterministic, to a reasonable extent measured by some metric like rms error etc.

Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jun 11, 2023

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Boris Galerkin posted:

If ChatGPT generates text randomly then what use is it to me, the person doing a peer review of the paper that's citing information out of ChatGPT? Or me, the person reading this article (that cites information out of ChatGPT) trying to get information to use in my own research?

The best thing to do is obviously to include all "conversation" records in the appendix, but even if you don't do that, the fact that other people can't access the source doesn't remove your obligation to cite it.

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Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Civilized Fishbot posted:

Look at the quoted example. A "normal" citation would be like:

That would be "If you want to verify what I'm saying is true, you can learn it where I learned it, ChatGPT." Stupid, ridiculous, and clearly what Boris Galerkin thinks is being promoted.

But the actual example provided is citing ChatGPT as a source for what ChatGPT itself says when prompted in a certain way, which is actually necessary if you're researching ChatGPT itself.:

The example is written the way it is as a response to the limitations and issues in citing ChatGPT: it's not consistently reproducible. Even if you cite a given piece of text to ChatGPT, that doesn't mean anyone else can go check that result for themselves.

ChatGPT output varies based on the input and context and isn't necessarily going to give the same output for a given input every time, which is a problem for citations. So the only way to know what the writer actually got from ChatGPT is for the writer to include the original text of the response from ChatGPT, either in the citation or as an appendix. For similar reasons, they also want people to provide the prompt where practical, so that readers have as much information as possible about what the writer got from ChatGPT and how they got it. That's why the APA requests that, whenever possible, writers using ChatGPT should provide the response and the prompt they used to get that response.

It's definitely not limited to just research about ChatGPT, though. It also contains guidelines for using ChatGPT in essays, literature reviews, and other papers that are more like writing than direct research. And at the end, it reminds writers to be careful of hallucinations, warning them that ChatGPT tends to make up info and sources and therefore should not be considered a reliable source for information. There wouldn't be any need to include a warning like that if that page were just about research into LLMs themselves; the intent of that section is clearly to target people who might use ChatGPT as a search engine for finding and summarizing sources.

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