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Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Frosted Flake posted:

I feel like this happens every 5 years in the Canadian Army and it's exhausting. Australia is the same way, they cut their order for new LAVs to a quarter in their latest defence review. "Acquisition of the Land Combat Vehicle System (Infantry Fighting Vehicle), should be reduced from 450 to 129 vehicles to provide one mechanised battalion".
"Acquisition of a second regiment of K9 self-propelled howitzers, should be immediately cancelled."

you can't cut our equipment that is only good for piggybacking war crimes with america, you will regret this

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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Palladium posted:

you can't cut our equipment that is only good for piggybacking war crimes with america, you will regret this

Australia was apparently considering buying the new American stealth bomber, which is wild as far their relationship with China or their conception of Australia's place in the world goes.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
No Canada and Australia should procure mini weapons that can used outside of the country and also pass law to prevent lobbying from US MIC. Australia is too far gone but Canada can still work on her peaceful reputation.

GrunkleStalin
Aug 13, 2021
Shrinking the marines to light infantry makes sense if their fighter/fixed/lift wing is absorbed into the Navy.
Turn them into embassy security and let them keep the helicopters for civilian evacuation/rescue.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Ardennes posted:

I guess the question is how Marines would actually be used, because the US Navy still has a ton of amphibious warfare/support ships in its fleet that need to be maintained and protected. I guess the marines are supposed to land on SCS atolls and hold them without access to heavy equipment? How are they going to be used elsewhere in a peer to peer fight?

aleutians and kurils

But imo if you're going to have a force like the marines, they should focus on their main mission and the government should not fund them as if they are Army 2: Now With Airforce

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010
are there any other countries besides the US that treat their marines/naval infantry as effectively their own separate and independent military that replicates all the functions of the other branches in miniature?

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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Mister Bates posted:

are there any other countries besides the US that treat their marines/naval infantry as effectively their own separate and independent military that replicates all the functions of the other branches in miniature?

France has two kinds of marine, and so does Italy, which is funny in its own way.

:france:
9th Marine Infantry Brigade (Army)
Naval Fusiliers (Navy)
Commandos Marine (Navy)

:italy:
Lagunari Regiment "Serenissima" (Army)
Cavalry Brigade "Pozzuolo del Friuli" (Airmobile, Amphibious, Cavalry Brigade, Army)
San Marco Marine Brigade (Navy)
Amphibious platoons, 1st Paratroopers Carabinieri Regiment "Tuscania" (Police :psyduck:)

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 20:02 on Jun 10, 2023

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

I think the marines being a separate branch is a relic of early 20th century imperial adventurism. we’re not sending the army, we’re just landing a small detachment of marines.

*proceeds to roll up haiti and half of central america *

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Mister Bates posted:

are there any other countries besides the US that treat their marines/naval infantry as effectively their own separate and independent military that replicates all the functions of the other branches in miniature?

Russia does this with their paratroopers, you can see how well that works out

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

The Oldest Man posted:

Russia does this with their paratroopers, you can see how well that works out

Seems to work really well afaict

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Clark Nova posted:

I think the marines being a separate branch is a relic of early 20th century imperial adventurism. we’re not sending the army, we’re just landing a small detachment of marines.

*proceeds to roll up haiti and half of central america *
Even earlier

quote:

The remainder of the 19th century was marked by declining strength and introspection about the mission of the Marine Corps. The Navy's transition from sail to steam put into question the need for Marines on naval ships. Meanwhile, Marines served as a convenient resource for interventions and landings to protect American interests overseas. The Corps was involved in over 28 separate interventions in the 30 years from the end of the American Civil War to the end of the 19th century.[47] They were called upon to stem political and labor unrest within the United States.[48]

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Slavvy posted:

Seems to work really well afaict

Well it really helped Ukraine out

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Marines are so big in the US because they can used by the president without any congress rubber stamping.

VDV is more like US special force green beret.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 20:31 on Jun 10, 2023

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

The Oldest Man posted:

Well it really helped Ukraine out

:thunk:

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

didn't the us government abandon a whole bunch of people on their payroll?
Secretary of State Blinken Participates in a Memorandum of Understanding Signing Ceremony with the #AfghanEvac Coalition

www.state.gov posted:

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will participate in a signing ceremony to renew the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the Department of State and #AfghanEvac on Monday, June 12, at 1:00 p.m. The event will take place at the National Museum of American Diplomacy and will be hosted by Coordinator for Afghan Relocation Efforts (CARE), Mara Tekach.

#AfghanEvac is a coalition of more than 200 organizations working alongside the U.S. Government to support Afghan relocation efforts. The Department of State will recognize and celebrate the extraordinary and ongoing efforts of the hundreds of volunteers in the #AfghanEvac coalition, many of whom will be present. The volunteers represent all 50 states and a cross-section of America.

Secretary Blinken will give remarks recognizing the volunteers’ contributions during Operation Allies Welcome and Enduring Welcome and reaffirming the Department’s commitment to continued efforts to relocate and resettle eligible Afghan allies and their family members. Coalition Founder and President Shawn VanDiver will join Secretary Blinken and will also provide remarks as they sign the updated MOU to renew the public-private partnership between the Department of State and #AfghanEvac.

The event is pooled for in-person press coverage. It will be streamed live on the Department homepage and the Department YouTube channel .

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

so, which company is gonna make money on this and end up leaking the GPS coordinates for doughy SPACE FORCE recruits :allears:
Space Force takes holistic approach to fitness | Federal News Network

federalnewsnetwork.com posted:

The Space Force wants potential recruits to know they don’t have to be models of strength and fitness to be Guardians — they just need a healthy lifestyle. A new fitness monitoring program offers guardians an alternative to traditional military physical fitness testing.

The need for brains over brawn drives the calculus behind the fitness program. The Space Force leaders want to open the door to recruits who might otherwise be reluctant to join the military. Guardians have an opportunity to volunteer for the two-year test program that takes a holistic approach to fitness as an alternative to testing in the form of activities like pushups and running.

“The way they serve is different. And it’s often enabled by computers and through technology. We don’t have to have exactly the same talent management process, the same accession process and physical testing process,” said Alex Wagner, assistant secretary of the Air Force for manpower and reserve affairs.

The test program will look at health and fitness for service members in a new way that is meant to be more inclusive of different body types and different fitness levels.

“Instead of once or twice a year getting ready to take a PT test, and making sure that your height and your weight and your body conform to what was within standard, we would have the option for continuous fitness monitoring,” Wagner said at a Center for a New American Security national security conference Tuesday. “Those people who aren’t necessarily required to meet a certain physical standard to do that job would still be allowed to [be part of] a healthy force.”

The holistic health approach has three parts. The performance health optimization emphasizes nutritional guidance, physical activity, sleep hygiene and stress management along with avoiding harmful substances. It includes the Air Force body composition standards, which measure body fat distribution according to height and weight.

The education part of the program works to increase positive behaviors and build on guardians’ existing military education for prevention skill-building.

A final part of the program is a continuous fitness assessment study to be conducted by the Air Force Research Laboratory. Part of the mission is figuring out whether wearable fitness devices are an effective means of measuring physical fitness and readiness, including cardiorespiratory/muscular fitness and musculoskeletal injury risk.

The wearable fitness device measures activity and other biometric data. A written statement from Space Force said care will be taken to protect the privacy of data gained from the devices. Wearers only have to use the device during physical activity and they have the ability to turn off the GPS.

“Data imported from the wearable device manufacturer will be limited to fitness data required for the program and be stored in a system that has been evaluated for cybersecurity compliance and granted an authority to operate,” the statement said.

The program will be run by Guardian resilience teams at every Space Force base, as well as a virtual team for Guardians who are in remote locations. The resilience teams include a strength trainer, a mental health provider and physical therapists, among other specialists.

The two-year test program will run on a strictly volunteer basis, and Space Force leaders want it to provide an incentive for those potential recruits who have technical skills, but would prefer a different approach to fitness.

“We’ve got to be able to get a different type of person who was propensity to serve, but might see themselves as not really willing to do the stereotypical military model,” Wagner said.
there's probably a decent chance "disable GPS" won't work right.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
I don’t know how holding position in the Hostomel airfield until relieved helped Ukraine out, seems kind of obtuse.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Fulfilling their strategic function and achieving their tactical goal literally by the book = helping the enemy out

It's kind of like how the nazis really appreciated all those paratroopers dropping into Normandy, really helped them out

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
the western narrative was every single vdv guy died in the initial assault around the same time Russia ran out of artillery and their logistics were impossible. And a good job to because i can't imagine how dragged out and miserable the war would have been.

Weka
May 5, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

Maed posted:

the ukraine is correct though

The Ukraine is right... wing!

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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Regarde Aduck posted:

the western narrative was every single vdv guy died in the initial assault around the same time Russia ran out of artillery and their logistics were impossible. And a good job to because i can't imagine how dragged out and miserable the war would have been.

Let me run though my list of airborne operations that went off without a hitch... Eben-Emael?

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


….not… that bad

yet???

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Frosted Flake posted:

Let me run though my list of airborne operations that went off without a hitch... Eben-Emael?

lol even Varsity had some big screw ups

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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gradenko_2000 posted:

lol even Varsity had some big screw ups

Varsity in particular had huge problems with German flack.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

Let me run though my list of airborne operations that went off without a hitch... Eben-Emael?

What about the time skorzeny rescued Hitler's bestie?

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Frosted Flake posted:

Let me run though my list of airborne operations that went off without a hitch... Eben-Emael?

lol every paratrooper i know irl got rolled out of the service after a nasty injury picked up during a practice jump. forget combat, just from those small number of data points i assume even the training never goes off without a hitch

Weka
May 5, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

Frosted Flake posted:

Let me run though my list of airborne operations that went off without a hitch... Eben-Emael?

There was this extremely necessary and really a combat jump honest in the invasion of Iraq.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northern_Delay

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Frosted Flake posted:

Let me run though my list of airborne operations that went off without a hitch... Eben-Emael?

tangail drop tangail drop (although it was just a brigade)

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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Delta-Wye posted:

lol every paratrooper i know irl got rolled out of the service after a nasty injury picked up during a practice jump. forget combat, just from those small number of data points i assume even the training never goes off without a hitch

+4% per jump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAvPEzvrbX8&t=6s

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

perfectly good airplane, too

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Slavvy posted:

What about the time skorzeny rescued Hitler's bestie?

Yeah but they were figbting other Italians and thats like figbting a war on easy mode, doesn't count.

Also, lol, maybe even a lmao

https://youtube.com/shorts/pxg_FLaq12w?feature=share

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

KomradeX posted:

Yeah but they were figbting other Italians and thats like figbting a war on easy mode, doesn't count.

Also, lol, maybe even a lmao

https://youtube.com/shorts/pxg_FLaq12w?feature=share

that navy? don't worry about that navy, its mild

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Delta-Wye posted:

that navy? don't worry about that navy, its mild

It really comes off more like theyre tryinf to reassure themsleves

Pidgin Englishman
Apr 30, 2007

If you shoot
you better hit your mark

Frosted Flake posted:

Australia was apparently considering buying the new American stealth bomber, which is wild as far their relationship with China or their conception of Australia's place in the world goes.

Australia's stupid defence procurement is wild, just see the nuclear sub debacle.

All I can think is that the US is leading us by the nose (that's the obvious bit) to make sure we have the capability to support their forces as Outpost South Asia.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
i dunno, the last time the brits used summer outfits extensively some bad poo poo went down

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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It's an honour to be a guardsman and wear Full Dress.

You're also supposed to be able to rest every 15 minutes or so.

ughhhh
Oct 17, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

It's an honour to be a guardsman and wear Full Dress.

You're also supposed to be able to rest every 15 minutes or so.

I have my grandpa's parade shoes with those stupid metal nails to make it go clack clack. Should I convert it into dress shoes or is that a stupid idea. It's older than me and in perfect condition tho.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
take up tap dancing ofc

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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Oh the clackers lol I think those are actually the same as tap dance shoes. A cobbler should be able to get them off and then repair the sole.

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