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Diablo II still remains my favorite of the stories.
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AARD VARKMAN posted:the campaign was cool actually as is the rest of Diablo IV mostly Same. I wasn't really hot on D4 at the beginning but after getting to 50/WT3, the most balanced take imho is "good launch, good structure, needs more content" - if you're an arpg brainrotted player. If you're a casual player it's a legit good game. We knew it would've launched too soon but I think the project leads struck a good balance.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:46
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Clocks posted:imagine being mad that people are suggesting D4 can learn from the other popular arpg on the market
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Jun 11, 2023 17:46
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That Little Demon posted:You should go play the absolutely dreadful path of exile game and quit seething in this thread to be sure I was answering someone else's question you jackass. As for your statement, I absolutely will play the next league in August, and I don't think it's a far fetched statement to say the next league will also be PoE's biggest league, again. Crucible while being a weak league for many in the playerbase was still the largest league with some of the longest retention rate because of the people who played D4 beta and wanted to try other games in the genre. I expect that will only continue now that people have got their hands on D4. How Blizzard handles seasons will be crucial to the longevity of the game for many. Also, I'm not making GBS threads on D4 for the sake of making GBS threads on the game. My criticisms are because I want the game to do well. I'd like to have it where there are many options in the ARPG genre with seasonal content that is solid. Last Epoch, Torchlight Infinite, D4, PoE, all of these can co-exist and have great seasonal content, but for being the largest company with the most resources, D4 is sorely lagging behind the competition.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:46
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The characters are uneven and not great but actually the campaign has some great setpieces and moments, better than any previous game. Mephisto is enjoyable every time he shows up and we can look forward to more.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:47
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Miftan posted:What really blows my mind is that they had all this time and the story is absolute garbage. Makes zero sense, provides world building that doesn't gel with previous world building, the characters are all stupid caricatures and Lilith's motives aren't even stated at any point! I can’t say I’m emotionally invested in the story but it sure as hell feels like a big step up from D3s scooby doo villain talking heads
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Jun 11, 2023 17:47
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Miftan posted:What really blows my mind is that they had all this time and the story is absolute garbage. Makes zero sense, provides world building that doesn't gel with previous world building, the characters are all stupid caricatures and Lilith's motives aren't even stated at any point! The story is entirely serviceable if you have any memory of D1/D2 campaigns. What prior world building? Because they're pretty obviously retconning a lot of the Diablo 3 story. I said come in! posted:Diablo II still remains my favorite of the stories. In order: Diablo II Diablo IV Diablo I Diablo III
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Jun 11, 2023 17:48
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Miftan posted:What really blows my mind is that they had all this time and the story is absolute garbage. Makes zero sense, provides world building that doesn't gel with previous world building, the characters are all stupid caricatures and Lilith's motives aren't even stated at any point!
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Jun 11, 2023 17:49
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If you spent less time poo poo posting and more time getting out of WT1 and into WT3, you'd realize the game you're feverously defending online has massive flaws.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:50
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Scoss posted:The characters are uneven and not great but actually the campaign has some great setpieces and moments, better than any previous game. Mephisto is enjoyable every time he shows up and we can look forward to more. The characters make really stupid decisions all the time, including forgetting things they know or just being plain idiots. The entirety of acts 3 and 4 blur together for me and provided very little actual plot progression. Act 1 and 5 were great and act 6 is the biggest culprit of "characters are idiots" and "we need this to happen so we're just gonna do it without justification". I also enjoyed the druid stronghold and class quest. The story bosses were all pretty weak and disappointing other than a select few imo. veni veni veni posted:I can’t say I’m emotionally invested in the story but it sure as hell feels like a big step up from D3s scooby doo villain talking heads I agree, but that is a low bar to clear.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:50
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I've played 100s of hours of D2, atleast 100 hours of D3 and I loving hate Ubisoft/ theme park MMO poo poo. D4 is a solid game with an enjoyable story and side quests(I still can't believe I'm saying this). The fact that there is something to do storywise after the final boss is literally something D1-3 never managed to do and felt like poo poo compared to actually rolling around the world of sanctuary. The endgame stuff could have MORE stuff but I'm level 57 and have continued to have entertaining stuff to do long after the point I would be loving boss farming or whatever in D2/3. And I've still got plenty of sidequests and strongholds to do, as well as actually trying a NM dungeon. Blizzard is still a terrible company who treat their workers like poo poo, which is probably the reason no one noticed the affix stuff until after launch.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:50
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Zotix posted:Last Epoch, Torchlight Infinite, D4, PoE, all of these can co-exist and have great seasonal content, but for being the largest company with the most resources, D4 is sorely lagging behind the competition. The only ones of this list that are legitimate modern games with the budgets to make interesting content are PoE and Diablo. I tried Last Epoch, Grim Dawn, and a bunch of other ARPGs and whoo if you are not an entirely ARPG brain rotted person, there is a lot of trash in that dumpster fire of options.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:51
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Last Epoch is good actually
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Jun 11, 2023 17:52
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Char posted:Same. I wasn't really hot on D4 at the beginning but after getting to 50/WT3, the most balanced take imho is "good launch, good structure, needs more content" - if you're an arpg brainrotted player. If you're a casual player it's a legit good game. yeah this is exactly where I'm at, level in the 60's. Once the grind gets dull in WT4 I'll play a different character or just play something else until s1 starts but everything's obviously good enough at this point to expect a fun first season. My friends are all casual dads in the level 20-40 range still working on the campaign and they loving love it
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Jun 11, 2023 17:53
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Zotix posted:If you spent less time poo poo posting and more time getting out of WT1 and into WT3, you'd realize the game you're feverously defending online has massive flaws. actually its perfect to me
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Zotix posted:If you spent less time poo poo posting and more time getting out of WT1 and into WT3, you'd realize the game you're feverously defending online has massive flaws. 
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Jun 11, 2023 17:54
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explosivo posted:Last Epoch is good actually I'm sure it is from a gameplay perspective tbh, I only tried to play it for maybe an hour, but its graphics gave me a legitimate headache and I never bothered again.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:54
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explosivo posted:Last Epoch is good actually Last Epoch is great. Been playing the early access for years now and the only time I didn’t regret an early access purchase.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:55
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Once day scientists will be able to answer why people spend 100 hours in a week fiending on a game while frequently announcing that it is mediocre poo poo.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:55
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You can pet the dog! It works on the spirits from shrines too.  It happens when you face them and use the Hello emote. The positioning can be finicky.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:56
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I said come in! posted:Last Epoch is great. Been playing the early access for years now and the only time I didn’t regret an early access purchase. I think they could be poised to gain a lot of players depending on when they go 1.0 compared to what the discussion around D4 is at the time and how much they push the marketing for it. That game addresses a lot of people's complaints about D4 and more people should play it imo.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:57
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Astryl posted:Let me summon bosses to fight and/or go fight campaign bosses again. D2 brainworms are real. I've never experienced any of the mechanics that poster described, but those sound really cool and not at all "complexity for the sake of complexity"? Like in a game focused on an infinite grind, having 6 different modes that let you experience it in different ways seems good? Especially when some of them include a unique way to spend currency within the mode itself, which sound really compelling. I mean it feels like Diablo 4 is trying to do exactly that with Helltides, Whisper Dungeons, PvP, and nightmare maps. But the gameplay those offer is less varied than what the person described above
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Jun 11, 2023 18:00
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Everyone has different takes/opinions who knew? For me, I'm clearly too old and lacking of skillz so I'lll probably end up back at D3 where I can at least get to GR70. Community involvement is critical to the success of any game nowadays no matter if your budget is barely six figures or 10 figures. Your game won't be successful unless you listen to the players. Blizzard saw something they weren't expecting and fixed it asap. Down the road I'm sure we'll see a lot more changes as the game goes on. I think Seasons is going to be the big long term selling point of this game and I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with them.
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Jun 11, 2023 18:04
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I've been in WT4 for over a week and am still enjoying logging on for a few hours a day to try and get an upgrade or level or two. This is pretty much what I expect or want from an end game ARPG. A fun leveling and then initial gearing phase, and then some kind of loot pinata I can hit until the next season starts or I make an alt. 10 additional side systems that still boil down to me blowing up enemies to Get Loot are not a priority to me that ruins the game through lack of inclusion would like to see some more middle rarity uniques though, somewhere between the existing ones I have 3 each of and the literal lottery ticket rarity Shako/grandfather
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Jun 11, 2023 18:05
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The funnest part about video games to me is that you can play more than one.
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Jun 11, 2023 18:06
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I hope that PoE and D4 end up staggering their season launches to be perfectly 1.5 months apart so I can alternate between them like a sicko!
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Jun 11, 2023 18:10
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Zotix posted:PoE currently has: Zotix posted:If you spent less time poo poo posting and more time getting out of WT1 and into WT3, you'd realize the game you're feverously defending online has massive flaws. lmfao d4 was never going to be the babysitter for your addiction and brain worms. you're gonna have to deal and stop being so dang mad.
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Jun 11, 2023 18:11
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Clocks posted:imagine being mad that people are suggesting D4 can learn from the other popular arpg on the market You should go play the free to play trash heap is my opinion
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Jun 11, 2023 18:13
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Zotix posted:I was answering someone else's question you jackass. Didn’t read and no one asked
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Jun 11, 2023 18:13
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https://clips.twitch.tv/UnsightlyChillyMilkFloof-wzKOI1FcOcRksAgr Check out this guy I found.
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Jun 11, 2023 18:14
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I didn't say so two months ago to be polite but now that the dam is breaking I think a great deal of the shitposting is motivated entirely by buyer's remorse for a $70 game that did not, in fact, transport you back in time to the same emotional state as when Diablo 2 released. Criticizing the game is fine and discussing how to improve it is cool but: Zotix posted:If you spent less time poo poo posting and more time getting out of WT1 and into WT3, you'd realize the game you're feverously defending online has massive flaws. lmao Miftan posted:Lilith's motives aren't even stated at any point! My brother in Sanctuary you don't have to like the story but how did you miss Lilith stating to the player and into the camera, at least twice literally staring at you, that she wants to end the Eternal Conflict and prepare Sanctuary and her children(humanity) to stand against the return of the Prime Evils? Lilith is one dimensional but the one dimension is pretty stable.
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SHISHKABOB posted:https://clips.twitch.tv/UnsightlyChillyMilkFloof-wzKOI1FcOcRksAgr He’s trying to make TikTok’s ok? Leave him alone.
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Jun 11, 2023 18:15
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Maybe anecdotal, but both - turning off Nvidia Reflex - setting DLLS to Balanced instead of Performance (and still limiting FPS in the nvidia control panel to 60 for the Diablo executable) seem to have fixed my issue of the GPU going into overdrive in vendor windows.
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Jun 11, 2023 18:15
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It sounds like PoE has some cool ideas, but I also didnt like PoE and bounced off of it within 2 hours each time I tried it.
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Jun 11, 2023 18:16
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Diablo IV: 30 years of game development for the same loop.
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Jun 11, 2023 18:16
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I said come in! posted:Diablo II still remains my favorite of the stories. I want to expand on this, I think one of the things that truly helped D1 and D2s atmosphere were the tomes (heavily in 1, and a few in 2) and the voice acting for them. I can rattle off the countess tome from D2 in my sleep if I wanted to and the fact that they were all narrated to you as the player via the same guiding voice felt better than finding a random book on the floor and hearing some random VA tell a story.
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Jun 11, 2023 18:19
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OctaMurk posted:It sounds like PoE has some cool ideas, but I also didnt like PoE and bounced off of it within 2 hours each time I tried it. Yeah I think it's obviously fine to compare the two but it's very funny that every attempt to explain PoE mechanics to outsiders just makes it sound even less appealing.
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Jun 11, 2023 18:24
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Doomykins posted:I didn't say so two months ago to be polite but now that the dam is breaking I think a great deal of the shitposting is motivated entirely by buyer's remorse for a $70 game that did not, in fact, transport you back in time to the same emotional state as when Diablo 2 released. It's funny cause d4 has actually been the closest thing to capturing those feelings for my social group. We've tried dozens of games but until now I've never seen three buddies online at 6am before work like we had back in the eq/d2 days. A lot of it might be the name but capturing the casual demo is just something that most games can't pull off, even if the games might be better.
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If I extract a legendary aspect, does that also unlock the item appearance for the wardrobe, or do I have to choose between utility and fashion?
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Characters being big dumb idiots is a Diablo staple. Tyrael, anyone who believed Adrial wasn't tricking them, and Azmodan are good examples. PCs able to achieve such ridiculous power because they're the only one not stupid. Zultan Kulle isn't either but he's a ghost so it's a wash. Amazing humanity keeps lingering on through all this. Angels and demons can't really die I guess so they're free to stay being dummies.
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