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Herstory Begins Now posted:question for lawyers in here: what qualifications exactly would you even need for a lawyer to be considered capable of taking on this case? that's got to be a pretty short list of people even capable of defending him? Yup. As noted above you need a security clearance at a sufficient level to deal with the information, and there aren't all that many lawyers around with one of those, and a large fraction of them still work for the feds. For the arraignment and procedural steps going on right now I fail to see why one of his normal lawyers can't just get admitted pro hac, but I never did much crim work, so it's not my area of expertise as to from what point you actually need the ringers around.
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kiimo posted:Remember when twitter only showed you tweets from accounts you followed You can set it to default to the "Following" tab instead of the "For You" tab which is what I do. Only shows accounts you follow.
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ryde posted:LOL, this loving lawyer. I mean the DOJ only brings charges when they’re very, very sure they’ll get a conviction. Probably add a dozen or so “very”s for bringing charges against a former President.
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Jun 12, 2023 19:23
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Not a cult. No sir. Real smart move giving these guys like 4 days to prepare. Also in a sane world the person giving the "order" would be immediately arrested.
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pthighs posted:I think the simpler explanation is that an elected Republican, with a few specific exceptions (e.g. Romney), is ending their career if they come out against Trump. Deseret News/Hinckley Institute of Politics poll: Romney is down 11 points from March, dropping from 52 percent favorable with Utah voters to 41 percent favorable So even this specific exception may end up another example of the same.
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Randalor posted:Bah gawd, I think that's Rudy's music! Rudy can not currently practice law. (LOL)
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Jun 12, 2023 19:48
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ReidRansom posted:In a sane legal world he'd have taken what was almost certainly the first advice he was given. Return the documents, let the legal team draft a bullshit mea culpa to the DOJ/whoever, and the whole thing is dropped and blows over, plus you still get to go on your bad twitter clone and claim it was all persecution and you did nothing wrong but just went along because you're so magnanimous and so on. Yeah, none of these charges stem from the voluntarily returned documents.
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Jun 12, 2023 19:52
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VideoGameVet posted:Let’s hope they are prepared for these nutters: It will be interesting to see Cannon's reaction when one of these bigots goes full send at her over not understanding some very normal ordinary ruling.
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Jun 12, 2023 19:53
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Charliegrs posted:Real smart move giving these guys like 4 days to prepare. You're afraid of the sniffly prune from dade county?
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Jun 12, 2023 19:54
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Boris Galerkin posted:Question, do lawyers without security clearances get to view documents that require clearances? Like do the restrictions get waived or do they need to fill out the form and go through the process? Today's lawfare episode is an interview with a former CIA lawyer and goes into detail on the rules and requirements for classified documents trials. I haven't listened yet though.
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Jun 12, 2023 19:55
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I was wrong earlier about how federal PDs handle arraignment delays for non-poor people without counsel. https://twitter.com/crabgrass11/status/1668323742903304192?s=20
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Jun 12, 2023 20:15
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Imagine being the poor public defender that gets this wet turd dropped in their lap?
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Jun 12, 2023 20:16
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IPlayVideoGames posted:Imagine being the poor public defender No. I won't. I refuse.
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Jun 12, 2023 20:23
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IPlayVideoGames posted:Imagine being the poor public defender that gets this wet turd dropped in their lap? Like their job isn't crappy enough.
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Jun 12, 2023 20:29
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This seems to be a fairly good writeup of what Trump could potentially get if convicted on all counts , going by the federal sentencing guidelines https://www.pwnallthethings.com/p/donald-trump-indictment-whats-in Spoiler 17-20ish years. Half that for good behavior or less for compassionate release if his health turns for the worse
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Jun 12, 2023 20:36
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Jun 12, 2023 20:56
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Don't PD's usually handle multiple cases at once? Just lol if some poor bastard is dealing with some other low level idiots and got this dropped in their lap.
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Jun 12, 2023 20:59
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He'll get some chud who wants his name on the big stage, even if it's for "losing Trump's case", because Trump will demand the trial is fake and rigged anyway. He's not going to land a PD in any universe.
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IPlayVideoGames posted:Imagine being the poor public defender that gets this wet turd dropped in their lap? Might be a sweet gig if they could get Trump to pay. Send out a single press release saying "My client maintains his innocence and looks forward to exonerating himself in court," then regular messages to Trump suggesting he take a plea deal. Bill $700 for each memo. Squibbles posted:This seems to be a fairly good writeup of what Trump could potentially get if convicted on all counts , going by the federal sentencing guidelines I think the big insight from his post is that Document 19 is classified by the Department of Energy, not the Department of Defense. This is a big deal, because DoE documents are classified by statute, meaning even if in Trumps bizarre mind he mentally declassified all his documents, he never had the authority to declassify Document 19.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:He'll get some chud who wants his name on the big stage, even if it's for "losing Trump's case", because Trump will demand the trial is fake and rigged anyway. Getting to do the Right Wing Media grift for the rest of your life for being Trump's Criminal Defense lawyer has got to have a few of the more incautious ones wondering if they can ride the tiger. Since people are so bad a risk assessment I doubt if they realize the most likely result is ignominy after Trump fires them somewhere down the line and ridicules them with some absurd nickname.
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Tayter Swift posted:Might be a sweet gig if they could get Trump to pay. Send out a single press release saying "My client maintains his innocence and looks forward to exonerating himself in court," then regular messages to Trump suggesting he take a plea deal. Bill $700 for each memo. He goes into more detail on document 19 in his previous post here https://www.pwnallthethings.com/p/donald-trump-indictment-whats-in
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Im sure the analysis is perfectly correct and so forth but it's fun getting my details on the trial of the century from pwn all the things dot website
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projecthalaxy posted:Im sure the analysis is perfectly correct and so forth but it's fun getting my details on the trial of the century from pwn all the things dot website Yes, one of the more embarrassing usernames to have when you turn into a professional analyst
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Jun 12, 2023 21:31
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Tayter Swift posted:I think the big insight from his post is that Document 19 is classified by the Department of Energy, not the Department of Defense. This is a big deal, because DoE documents are classified by statute, meaning even if in Trumps bizarre mind he mentally declassified all his documents, he never had the authority to declassify Document 19. Trump is charged with Willful retention of National Defense Information. Classified docs are all NDI. But not all NDI is classified documents. Thee status of the documents as classified or not is irrelevant for this charge. The content of the documents themselves are what makes it a crime.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Question, do lawyers without security clearances get to view documents that require clearances? Like do the restrictions get waived or do they need to fill out the form and go through the process? The judge is exempt from the clearance requirement, but the lawyers aren't - the parties will follow the procedures laid out in the Classified Information Procedures Act. This DOJ manual on CIPA goes into some detail.
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VideoGameVet posted:Let’s hope they are prepared for these nutters: Romans 1 posted:They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. GOP: (Literally all of these things except murder). So this Floridian is gonna drag T to the beach and stone him? Rather, unless T (and any Jan6-involved congresspeep) is immediately held imprisoned without bail, our country is not "biblical". Annnd... Next inconsistent appeal to authority? * (If you're not familiar with this text, this quote immediately follows the passage oft-cited against non-hetero sexuality.)
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Okay let's see here, he wants the country to be based on the christian bible, no mention of which translation, but*: Man,  would like a word with you about chuds and hypocrisy.
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Maybe he meant he wants the US to suffer the same fate as Sodom and Gommorah?
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I think he just wants permission to hate people who make him uncomfortable and for a person in power to tell him all the scary things are bad and will go away, op.
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Also they murdered people on Jan 6.
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ryde posted:LOL, this loving lawyer. I’d bet a lot that anyone thinking it’s a weak case believes a president/former president can do whatever he wants with documents because they “belong to him” And that’s the sole reason they think it’s weak
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Magistrate to preside over Trump’s arraignment, not controversial Judge Aileen Cannonquote:A magistrate judge will be presiding over the momentous Miami federal court hearing on Tuesday afternoon when former President Donald Trump makes his first appearance on charges of keeping classified documents at his Palm Beach estate and obstructing government efforts to reclaim them. Should make for an entertaining afternoon. 
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It's arraigning men (hallelujah)
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Deteriorata posted:Magistrate to preside over Trump’s arraignment, not controversial Judge Aileen Cannon That's.... something, at least.
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Deteriorata posted:Magistrate to preside over Trump’s arraignment, not controversial Judge Aileen Cannon Bond denial would absolutely be in line with established precedent
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How do they determine which of the two judges on the case does what aspect of the whole ordeal?
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Tayter Swift posted:It's arraigning men (hallelujah) Short fat bald loud, and with the hands of a Tiny Mouse!... it's arraigning men...
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:You've got something here; keep going. The crime counts are rising (uh rising), legal team is getting low (how low girl?) According to all sources (what sources now?), the court is the place to go (we better hurry up) 'Cause tomorrow for the first time (first time) At Just about half past ten (half past ten) For the first time, a president Is gonna get an arraignment, man (start arraigning that man)
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Charliegrs posted:Has a federal trial ever been televised? Magistrate already denied a motion by various media orgs to have cameras in the room today, sorry op
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