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I totally love and am not at all surprised that SA has outlived Reddit (for all intents and purposes). I wonder what will happen with the EVE Online people that I loved reading about Goonswarm decimating. I need a TLDR on all that from the past several years. I figure the pandemic must have been good for the EVE goons.
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the panacea posted:https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/ This is a good read; thanks.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:It turns out it’s fairly easy to keep a webforums afloat when you arent on the hook for billions of dollars of future profit to investors and don’t need to pay an entire C-suite of lovely tech executives to sit around and pretend to be useful That alls there is, they are going for the sweet IPO money, grab the cash and run. And as someone posted in the thread I didnt expect SA to outlive Twitter and Reddit. So, hello again.
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Lowtax should’ve taken SA public
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:Lowtax should’ve taken SA public That's totally a lowtax move; thank God he didn't.
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Slimy Hog posted:That's totally a lowtax move; thank God he didn't. Let's be honest, if Lowtax had taken the company public, he would have challenged the NASDAQ to a charity boxing match and gotten the poo poo beat out of him also I just became aware that lowtax died. rip in pieces you wife beating piece of poo poo.
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Jun 13, 2023 01:52
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IIRC Lowtax turned down a 20 million dollar offer for the site.
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Jun 13, 2023 01:55
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Is that Uwe Boll's music?! Come to think of it, I wish his wife was Uwe Boll. 20million is an absolutely insane amount to turn down. I suppose that in the context though, eBaumsworld sold for a similar amount in 06 or 07.
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Jun 13, 2023 02:06
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:They are holding a 48 hour protest due to changes in their API monetization because their CEO decided Musk's Twitter's business model was a successful one worth emulating. lmao, yep. Musk proved that you can screw over your userbase and a lot of them will still hang around and some might even pay for things that used to be free. Now it seems like all the major sites are overhauling to be less consumer friendly.
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So now that reddit, discord, twitter, others are going down the drain, what's the solution here? I know ending capitalism is the solution but that seems a bit of a ways off. Something that I don't quite understand is that you have something like Mastodon, in Twitter's case, where it does something similar to Twitter but its federated (not sure what that entails exactly) but its apparently designed in a way to make it hard to completely "own" and therefore enshittify? Is it possible to create a reddit that is similar in structure that way one idiot/groups of idiots don't sell out and throw a bunch of users out with it? Reddit seems to have a somewhat "simple" formula of allowing users to post a body of text/news link/horse picture, and people comment on it? I feel like that probably isnt super hard to do so is there some "nobody can own this" reddit-like that accomplishes the same? this is probably one of my dumber posts in a while but I keep hearing that things like Mastodon are the solution to things like this but I dont use that or twitter so 
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Jun 13, 2023 02:12
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Tunicate posted:IIRC Lowtax turned down a 20 million dollar offer for the site. there's zero chance that's true I refuse to believe any goon would turn down 20 million
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it was a faustian thing. 20 mil, but he could never get lit off ambien or codeine again and he would have to be a responsible father
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Jun 13, 2023 02:27
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Reddit ain't gonna die from a 2 day blackout, the majority of users aren't terminally online and don't give a poo poo
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eleven extra elephants posted:Reddit ain't gonna die from a 2 day blackout, the majority of users aren't terminally online and don't give a poo poo The massive pool of volunteer labour (the mods) gives a poo poo though, replacing those that leave will be a big and possibly expensive headache
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Jun 13, 2023 02:35
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Shinjobi posted:there's zero chance that's true I don't know if that was the amount, but Conde Nast tried to buy SA before they bought Reddit. I remember Lowtax shot them down and they went and bought Reddit right afterwards. Edit: screenshot nullandvoid fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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how will it be expensive when most redditor mod wannabes will power trip for free?
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nullandvoid posted:I don't know if that was the amount, but Conde Nast tried to buy SA before they bought Reddit. lol
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Montague Tigg posted:how will it be expensive when most redditor mod wannabes will power trip for free? yeah this, this is an infinite pool.
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buglord posted:is there some "nobody can own this" reddit-like that accomplishes the same?
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Montague Tigg posted:how will it be expensive when most redditor mod wannabes will power trip for free? As a Reddit moderator you have no idea just how many people beg to be made moderators. Its a loving curse. You think you want this but really you don't.
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nullandvoid posted:I don't know if that was the amount, but Conde Nast tried to buy SA before they bought Reddit. I seriously doubt conde nast offered Lowtax 20 mil. Reddit had VC funding and the people behind it had actual business acumen and new what they were doing.
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buglord posted:So now that reddit, discord, twitter, others are going down the drain, what's the solution here? I know ending capitalism is the solution but that seems a bit of a ways off. Depends, is there an actual problem we need to solve? Do we really need to have only a single place where all discussions are had? Cause that sounds pretty lovely to me, especially in the case of Reddit where whoever was first to claim a subreddit name gets complete control over the discussion.
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Jun 13, 2023 02:49
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Cellular Suicide posted:I’m itchy where’s the flashlight subforum. All my hobbies require external validation. Subforum? No no no that's an important topic deserving of a full forum. https://www.candlepowerforums.com
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bring back ezboards. i've been saying this for years
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Duck and Cover posted:Subforum? No no no that's an important topic deserving of a full forum. That place smells like arthritis cream, I need my flashlights to have stupid memes
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Duck and Cover posted:Subforum? No no no that's an important topic deserving of a full forum. I appreciate Candlepower Forums for providing me with deep Mag-Lite lore
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Cyks posted:Depends, is there an actual problem we need to solve? Do we really need to have only a single place where all discussions are had? Cause that sounds pretty lovely to me, especially in the case of Reddit where whoever was first to claim a subreddit name gets complete control over the discussion. i feel like its less about controlling discussion where all discussions are had and more "stop rich idiots from ruining things for everyone so they can afford several houses". I have no love for reddit but its sucky that this keeps happening.
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buglord posted:i feel like its less about controlling discussion where all discussions are had and more "stop rich idiots from ruining things for everyone so they can afford several houses". I have no love for reddit but its sucky that this keeps happening. Companies getting bought/selling out and going to poo poo has been a thing forever. Even online reviews of products and companies went to poo poo
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eleven extra elephants posted:yeah this, this is an infinite pool. modding is done almost entirely through the third party APIs they're cutting out there's also, as far as i know a crazy amount done by a small # of people who are modding 500+ huge subreddits and have been doing it basically since the site started and if they lose them or make it so they can't do StarCraft apm modding 12h a day through the third party stuff they're gonna have a problem the mods there curate much more and have to deal with way more racists and psychopaths than our small orbit of moderately familiar mentally ill reregs i think it could be a very big problem for them if they lose the modteams of their political and humor and sports, gaming, music subreddits - theyre all pretty bad but they've developed specific flavors of bad that draw in their activity and if rhey lose too much of that people won't stay because nobody's deleting posts that don't fit right the super big ones are easier but the mid sized ones i think they could have stuff wither away because they're gonna lose a lot of their really active users from this, they're very heavily third party app users and switching to that trash app will kill it for them the combo of those two will drain a lot of places out, they might refill but they might not and if they do they'll have lost any identity they had and be turned into pure advertising vectors prolly it happened to digg over a restyle
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Waiting for the CEO to make a dipshit move like "If our mods quit, then we'll make everyone a mod!" followed by "okay that didn't work, so let's hire a few contractors in India to handle moderation going forward" followed by some poor bastard signing up for a "tech job" near Mumbai and walking the gently caress out 3 hours into it.
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funeral home DJ posted:Waiting for the CEO to make a dipshit move like "If our mods quit, then we'll make everyone a mod!" followed by "okay that didn't work, so let's hire a few contractors in India to handle moderation going forward" followed by some poor bastard signing up for a "tech job" near Mumbai and walking the gently caress out 3 hours into it. I'm definitely feeling the second half no matter what idk who the people that run reddit are that well but everything I've heard about spez sounds bad and the business side seems fully behind him so they prolly have no idea how to run the community on Twitter, half of the moderation is just people blocking people they don't like from replying to their stuff, the problem is the bad poo poo being on the site at all not barging into the more focused communities, and those have stayed because nowhere better for that thing, but on reddit everyone's in the same threads so the modding matters more for keeping say, the nazis from invading the leftist subs & stuff like that, it's gonna be a mess i feel like
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PhonyMcRingRing posted:i came back when lowtax died and now i'm back cause reddit's dead. i only come back when six-letter things die. 
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Welcome goons who have been gone awhile!!! SA has changed some, everyone is older, less arty content, way less edgy Anyway Here is a link to a recent post that highlights interesting threads I hope you find it helpful when you are looking around. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4033907
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helno posted:As a Reddit moderator… Lol I would never admit to this
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Bass.exe posted:Reddit is useful if you think of all the megathreads in videogames, and see how they have ballooned over time. It get really hard to follow stuff of that size, especially if you are only looking for quick answers to issues about dialog options or bugs and don't want to wait for something you are pretty sure was answered elsewhere. Well, there is the search function... Although you do need to pay for it, iirc.
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helno posted:As a Reddit moderator you have no idea just how many people beg to be made moderators. You know you can just...not do it right?
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ddiddles posted:You know you can just...not do it right? Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
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helno posted:As a Reddit moderator you have no idea just how many people beg to be made moderators. There's like some unspoken rule that if someone begs to be made a moderator, they'd be real poo poo at it and the only ones who do a good job would never volunteer for it. something something abuse of power or whatever
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FirstnameLastname posted:modding is done almost entirely through the third party APIs they're cutting out I think that the mod tools getting axed is probably the funniest thing about this. The website already has a problem with prolific numbers of bot accounts and that is going to get significantly worse going forward. This change is effectively killing the only practical methods of dealing with them right now and as GPT models become more widely available for bots it's only going to get harder for humans to identify them. The reason why they're jacking up the API prices is so that the website can sell access to its text posts to companies like OpenAI, which are scraping it for machine learning purposes. But poo poo tons of AI generated bot posts will make it a horrible source for training data. They're poisoning their own well twice over with this
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