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Randalor posted:I've never had a problem with OoT's water temple and I STILL have a knee-jerk reaction to hate water temples (it's because heavy water segments in games not meant for them are poo poo) Water Temple's two biggest issues were the iron boots requiring pausing and changing the menu screen to put them on/off, and that one goddamn key in the center tower that's easy to forget like was mentioned earlier. Speedrunners have added a few QOL things like putting boots/ocarina on d-pad buttons which immediately improve the game, and the 3DS remake also had a similar thing so it's way better on both versions. It also has the Dark Link fight which negates some of the bad, and for as annoying as water level puzzles can be, the central room with the changing water levels is still an extremely cool and memorable setpiece. I remember Skyward Sword or Twilight Princess having a worse water temple IMO, where changing the direction of flowing water down different staircases was the big gimmick, and for some reason I thought that was harder to keep track of than just raising and lowering the water level.
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That was twilight princess. Skyward swords water dungeon is in hell
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Meowywitch posted:That was twilight princess. Skyward swords water dungeon is in hell oh poo poo, I forget that's the water temple in skyward sword. I should replay that one, I remember it being a bit railroady but that one and the sandsea are absolutely killer. Plus it's got groose
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Jun 12, 2023 18:09
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Yeah the ancient cistern somehow exceeds in not only being the games best dungeon but one of the best in the series I think water dungeons have come far
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My Lovely Horse posted:I feel like a water temple setup might range from tolerable to all-time classic level with modern movement controls, graphics/lighting and navigation aids but the OoT incarnation and gamers' collective memory has well and truly poisoned that particular well original OoT Water Temple is bad. also this is coming from a weirdo that cut my zelda teeth on MM first and while I struggled with Great Bay Temple, still enjoyed it. also GBT is still one of zeldas best water temples.
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Jun 12, 2023 18:20
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Great Bay Temple's really good, turns out letting you swim and providing a trackable path of things to do are what you need to make a fun water dungeon.
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Jun 12, 2023 18:26
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as someone who's played a fair bit of OoT randomizer, I can assure you that the worst temple in OoT is easily the fire temple. Oh, you accidentally tilted the control stick slightly the wrong direction? Time to fall eight floors down and waste several minutes climbing back up. Apart from the iron boots equip issue, the water temple is Good, Actually.
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Jun 12, 2023 18:38
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do the fire mazes in Fire Temple have hint sear marks on the ground? i seem to remember not and some good newer games have invis/raising walls that give hints so you can do it faster if you notice that hint.
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Jun 12, 2023 19:01
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Hey can I ask a dumb question? Zelda is the titular Twilight Princess, right? It doesn't turn out to be Link or that thing following him around, right? e: folllowup question, is she also the titular Skyward Sword?
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credburn posted:Hey can I ask a dumb question? It's been a while but I think the Twilight Princess is meant to be Midna, who has been turned into an imp and follows you around the whole game. The Skyward Sword is the master sword, the magic weapon that Link obtains in most of the games.
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Jun 12, 2023 20:03
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Also Skyward Sword is sort of about creating the master sword.
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Jun 12, 2023 20:10
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It's about creating a lot of the reoccurring elements of the series. And also not, because BotW is the first game. I honestly respect it, I hope they keep trying on new explanations for the timeline every so often. 'There's only one Link, Zelda, Ganon/Ganondorf at any point but OoT, Minish Cap, and Spirit Tracks all happen at the same time' 'Link's Crossbow Training is the first game in the series' 'The Fairy of Winds in the Twilight Princess boomerang is in the Link Between Worlds boomerang as well'
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Jun 12, 2023 20:14
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Agreed an ongoing timeline leads to lovely and cringe writing, happens to any good story in any medium. Best let the next team take their own spin at the mythos, it worked great for botw and ToTK Don't even get me started on multiverse stuff where All The Things Can Happen and it's not lazy writing at all. It's like everybody collectively decided yeah we don't need any good content or well paid writers anymore just multiverse that bad boy.
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Jun 12, 2023 20:24
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I never saw the point in thinking the games need to be lined up in some order. Zelda games will keep being made because they are profitable. Besides, none of the games have had decent stories since Wind Waker. Also, Ys is better.
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credburn posted:Hey can I ask a dumb question? Link is in fact the twilight princess. He is also the skyward sword, The windwaker and the ocarina of time. Each games subtitle refers to a different aspect of his personality. It’s very deep.
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Jun 12, 2023 20:34
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I thought Zelda was the guy in the green tunic
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Link is in fact the twilight princess. He is also the skyward sword, The windwaker and the ocarina of time. Each games subtitle refers to a different aspect of his personality. It’s very deep. Oddly enough, this doesn't apply to Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I never saw the point in thinking the games need to be lined up in some order. Zelda games will keep being made because they are profitable. Besides, none of the games have had decent stories since Wind Waker. Are we counting non-canon games in that? Because the one where a time sorceress got hot and horny for Link so she broke reality so hard that all the timelines collapsed into a single point was pretty entertaining. quote:Also, Ys is better.
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The last good Zelda story was Majora's Mask, because it was literally just "It's a time loop of the apocalypse" and that fuckin' rules.  Randalor posted:Are we counting non-canon games in that? Because the one where a time sorceress got hot and horny for Link so she broke reality so hard that all the timelines collapsed into a single point was pretty entertaining. ....Okay, to be fair, I forgot about that one, ha. Content: I accidentally keep hitting the Start button in Buried Stars (a mystery visual novel), which is NOT the pause/menu button, but the fast-forward-the-text button! Read After Burning has a new favorite as of 20:46 on Jun 12, 2023 |
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Jun 12, 2023 20:43
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Besides, none of the games have had decent stories since Wind Waker. I'm sorry? Twilight Princess had a great relationship between Midna and Link, and the original villain was fun up til the end just made it Ganondorf again. The bit where Midna's forced into the realm of light and you have to get her to safety as she's badly weakened was a very effective setpiece.
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I might be mixing up how much people talked up how you could tackle dungeons in a more randomized order since you can buy all the items but I thought people generally liked A Link Between Worlds' story.
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The only real issue with the changing of the water level in OoT is that you have to go to specific spots to set it to specific levels and that is a huge pain if you missed something and have to backtrack. If they'd given you a song or tool or something it wouldn't be as bad
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Leal posted:I thought Zelda was the guy in the green tunic No, that's Zelda's monster.
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 There is absolutely nothing hidden about that compartment
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Skulker posted:
Until you opened it, it was hidden. You couldn't know that what was inside was a compartment.
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In Stardew Valley, a sad sack of poo poo gave this quest to Emily's wife. 
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Cythereal posted:In Stardew Valley, a sad sack of poo poo gave this quest to Emily's wife. "Tonight, on Stardew At 5...a local blacksmith, found dead! Authorities say the only clue is a handwritten note stuffed in the corpse's mouth...more after these messages from our sponsors!"
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Cythereal posted:In Stardew Valley, a sad sack of poo poo gave this quest to Emily's wife. SOUNDS LIKE A REAL CLINT
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Cythereal posted:In Stardew Valley, a sad sack of poo poo gave this quest to Emily's wife. I dunno, seems like accurate depiction of incel behavior.
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RareAcumen posted:I might be mixing up how much people talked up how you could tackle dungeons in a more randomized order since you can buy all the items but I thought people generally liked A Link Between Worlds' story. I liked it as a bit of a mix-up to the usual formula. Was nice having the villain be someone that wasn't following the same staples as pretty much every other Zelda game.
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Finding some of the artefacts in Wall-E (PS2) is a bit annoying as they aren't listed in order, so the one that I thought would have been the first artefact in the shipyard level was actually right at the end. No wonder I had a hell of a time finding the fucker.
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Morpheus posted:I liked it as a bit of a mix-up to the usual formula. Was nice having the villain be someone that wasn't following the same staples as pretty much every other Zelda game. It's like how people like the Megaman X Command Mission plot because the villain wasn't sigma again.
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Starting to become convinced that Zelda has crafting because Nintendo knows youtubers will generate a whole viral ad environment for them for free, in the firm belief they're making bank from ad money on Nintendo's back. Some dude spends five hours building a dick that shoots fire, Nintendo knows he will and makes a crafting system that allows you to build a dick that shoots fire, every video like that is one where people go "look at this game, you can build a dick that shoots fire, I need that", meanwhile in the actual game you do not need a dick that shoots fire at any point. I cooked five chilly meals preparing for the hot region, figured it was on the casual side but would surely work somehow, then it turned out to be a 20 minute walk to the shop with heat resistant gear, and I didn't need a single of those meals, because 19 of those minutes I was able to walk in the shade.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Nintendo knows youtubers This is the bit I have trouble with.
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Tunicate posted:It's like how people like the Megaman X Command Mission plot because the villain wasn't sigma again. Command Mission's plot was interesting enough, with a twist so basic and obvious they had to misspell a character's name in the instruction booklet to prevent children from figuring it out seeing it next to another name. Also Epsilon had a pretty cool design.
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Captain Hygiene posted:Tears of the Fandom
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Diablo 4 You extract Legendary powers to attach to weapons later. This is how they are displayed in your inventory:  Also check out this town map. I'm the arrow in the upper part next to the stash/chest. It takes exactly 16 seconds to walk to the mortar/pestle shop at the bottom. 
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Vic posted:Also check out this town map. I'm the arrow in the upper part next to the stash/chest. It takes exactly 16 seconds to walk to the mortar/pestle shop at the bottom. I'm surprised they haven't condensed this formula down to like a town screen. Those 16 seconds add up. Are you allowed to run in town? credburn has a new favorite as of 14:16 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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Its because they made it semi mmo and learned nothing from WoW
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ZeusCannon posted:Its because they made it semi mmo and learned nothing from WoW i think the lesson they learned from wow is "we can do whatever and people will pay for it"
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