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I've never understood how Reddit specifically isn't in violation of the AOL moderation case, and they are walking a fine line with what they can do regarding volunteer mods to stay (apparently) on the right side of that precedent. Once they start reaching in to hire mods directly - it's not just about payment - they have more legal obligations.
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Cosmik Debris posted:I seriously doubt conde nast offered Lowtax 20 mil. Reddit had VC funding and the people behind it had actual business acumen and new what they were doing. SA represented influence which is gold to people with business acumen. None of them actually know what they’re doing and would have found that out in some mangosteen type crisis.
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Lowtax was smart not to take 20m for this place, he was so bad with money & vices, milking this place for a smaller steady sum was probably better for him in the end. We all think of 20m as either seed money to do whatever, build whatever, or retire & live modestly on 2% of the interest a year. He'd have blown it like the Joose guys in TCC and found his way to an early grave. Ah, well, nevertheless.
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bus hustler posted:I've never understood how Reddit specifically isn't in violation of the AOL moderation case, and they are walking a fine line with what they can do regarding volunteer mods to stay (apparently) on the right side of that precedent. They aren't going to hire mods. The execs know there will always be volunteers lined up and ready to come in at any time. The fact most of those will be psychopaths is not a point they care, only that any closed subreddit is reopened ASAP and that no money is spent on anything but a new yacht for the CEO. It doesn't matter if in the long term the entire brand is destroyed in the process, only that numbers keep going up and there's more ad views. Earlier, they were caught making localized versions of their more popular subreddits like Ask which were just auto translated poo poo copied from the original subreddits, filled with bot comments. This is the sort of amazing, bold strategy they are deploying to build new communities and grow their user base.
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buglord posted:So now that reddit, discord, twitter, others are going down the drain, what's the solution here? I know ending capitalism is the solution but that seems a bit of a ways These were all solved problems in like 1993. The real problem people keep trying to solve is how do you get sustained growth monetizing internet discussion? You can’t. Eventually you have to court the majority of the population that can barely read and after that you need to start wrecking the user experience.
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Jun 13, 2023 13:09
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bus hustler posted:Lowtax was smart not to take 20m for this place, he was so bad with money & vices, milking this place for a smaller steady sum was probably better for him in the end. yeah but if he took the 20 milly he could have bought a GTR instead of leasing one like some sweaty toed schmuck
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Jun 13, 2023 13:40
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bus hustler posted:Lowtax was smart not to take 20m for this place, he was so bad with money & vices, milking this place for a smaller steady sum was probably better for him in the end. King Reol played the final card of his final phase right in front of everyone and no one even blinked.
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Panic! At The Tesco posted:yeah but if he took the 20 milly he could have bought a GTR instead of leasing one like some sweaty toed schmuck Imagine leasing a GTR. I bet he had an above ground pool 
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Jun 13, 2023 14:05
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Lol I guess I'm going to buy a reddit ad pointing to this thread but I need a funny image. Wtf do I even pick? Pig balls might get me in trouble lol.
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Jun 13, 2023 14:11
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one odd side effect is that r/sweden went dark but r/swedents…did not. So people who had meant to post in the former started to post in the latter. Now I’m wondering if this’ll educate more on Swedens hideously outdated cannabis laws. LJ is still around and contains, weirdly enough, one of the better sources of Hollywood gossip. For a long time, Buzzfeed ripped off their content.
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Jun 13, 2023 14:14
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Lol I tried to do this one, but it wasn't approved. They went on to approve the one that called posting on reddit "posting with hitler" so I don't know wtf. I did make this in case that was rejected. I wanted to make it say the words Something Awful somehow but I don't know how I'd work it in. 
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Lol I tried to do this one, but it wasn't approved. They went on to approve the one that called posting on reddit "posting with hitler" so I don't know wtf. You're telling me reddit hates vaginas yet is fine with Hitler?
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teen witch posted:one odd side effect is that r/sweden went dark but r/swedents…did not. So people who had meant to post in the former started to post in the latter. Now I’m wondering if this’ll educate more on Swedens hideously outdated cannabis laws. LJ is functionally dead from what people remember, and it is now owned by the Russian govt bank, one subsidiary deep.
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Jun 13, 2023 14:19
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Lmao ofc reddit approved the Hitler one.
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Grassy Knowles posted:LJ is functionally dead from what people remember, and it is now owned by the Russian govt bank, one subsidiary deep. Oh yeah it’s owned by the Russian govt via some wacky loopholes and poo poo but ONTD is surprisingly still alive as ever.
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I'm enjoying this blackout, stops me from hate scrolling and getting annoyed.
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Mega64 posted:You're telling me reddit hates vaginas yet is fine with Hitler? Well I don't see any vaginas making the trains run on time 
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Jun 13, 2023 14:37
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I dabbled in reddit from time to time. Was a good source of faster replies for niche searches. But since the blackout thing, the few subs I went to were "private", so I just Uninstalled the app. Lol. I didn't even know there were 3rd party apps. Really feel like le reddits hosed themselves.
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I was getting a lot of my celebrity gossip from r/fauxmoi and idk where to go now
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buglord posted:So now that reddit, discord, twitter, others are going down the drain, what's the solution here? I know ending capitalism is the solution but that seems a bit of a ways off. A solution, that doesn't necessarily have to involve the complete collapse of capitalism, is to have things simply be a service again. Just be a service, that pays for itself, and is stable. Slow growth if any, no need to push a new feature every quarter, no massive funding rounds that get tied up in performance metrics, escape the enshitification cycle. That's still fairly hard to do, especially if someone's aim is to make a massive platform, but that itself needs to go away as well. That said, there are plenty of examples that still work just fine, this site included. Something Awful, and it's forums, aren't massive money makers, but it's able to sustain itself. It's stable, the community is amazingly resilient, and as a result of that long standing stability an absolutely absurd amount of core internet culture (for good and bad) has emerged from it. Then you have even larger and more impactful (again: for good or bad) examples: Wikipedia, The Internet Archive/Wayback Machine, Archive of Our Own, and deeper down the ladder things like the old Yahoo Answers platform (RIP) or in smaller examples Community Game Servers. The problem with that angle is that it takes someone/some group of people willing to just maintain and manage something for it's own sake because it's something they want in the world. These kind of places also aren't really what you'd call "social media"; They're platforms. It's hard to monetize "a platform" that doesn't operate under social media rules. Social media is all about reaching a critical mass of users as fast as possible and then milking those users for content to keep users on the site (and selling user data to fund it). A platform is usually focused on some topic/idea and the community will grow around it. Twitter doesn't have "a focus" it's just a place to shout into the void and maybe it shouts back, come look at all this shouting. AO3 is focused on Fanfiction and that's what naturally draws it's users, who then either engage just with the content and leave or stick around to join the community itself. As a large scale thing, letting something be a service isn't viable. No one is going to try to make the next Twitter or Reddit, or Discord and convince a single goddamned backer with the pitch of "it's never going public, we're only ever aiming to cover our costs, and then stick around as long as possible". But moving towards federated systems like Mastodon might be. Creating a discord like system that runs similar to IRC, where you just get the program and set up the server yourself, is viable (people did it for years and most people jumped to discord because it combined voice/video/chat/and looked slick, no reason you couldn't make something similar that included a backend for setting up a dedicated server). Same with reddit, it's a loving link aggregator, a glorified public RSS feed. But, even though it's possible to choose to forgo the allure of VC funding and being THE NEW BIG THING AND ALL THE MONEY AND POWER, it's rare to see it happen at any sort of scale. Or you can go back in time 30 years and make one of the first big comedy sites, slap a lovely phpBB on it, and against all odds and your own best efforts become embedded like a tumor on the internet and survive on and on and on.
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I got all the decluttering tips I'm ever going to get from r/declutter, so I never need to look at reddit again, thankfully.
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:I was getting a lot of my celebrity gossip from r/fauxmoi and idk where to go now teen witch posted:ONTD is surprisingly still alive as ever.
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back on page 2:WHERE MY HAT IS AT posted:Spez used to moderate r/jailbait back in the day, which has to move him at least a few spots up the dumb creepy tech CEO leaderboard. loving what?
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Yup, that happened and was kinda just... swept under the rug
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 Somethingawful.com - Like a tumor on the Internet
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Browsing Reddit in Safari on iOS barely works. Before it'll show you anything you have to click through 'It's better on the app, trust us!' and then actually browsing around takes forever. I'm not a serial Reddit user so I don't need a dedicated app for it, but boy do they want me very badly to use it.
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dervival posted:Yup, that happened and was kinda just... swept under the rug I would think that the website formerly known for hosting near-CSAM now has a CEO associated with said incident would be newsworthy
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SettingSun posted:Browsing Reddit in Safari on iOS barely works. Before it'll show you anything you have to click through 'It's better on the app, trust us!' and then actually browsing around takes forever. I'm not a serial Reddit user so I don't need a dedicated app for it, but boy do they want me very badly to use it. it's a bad site, op.
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The subreddit subscriber counts are definitely being buffed up with bot accounts to make reddit look much more active than it really is for investors. There are subreddits I use that supposedly have 100,000+ subscribers that really only have around 20 people actually regularly using them. I don’t know anyone in real life who uses Reddit. I just use it for cooking and hobby subreddits. Lots of full time internet user dorks and weirdos on there. Lots of subreddits that are toxic echo chambers giving out bad advice and spreading misinformation. Also lots of ridiculously fake stories that dumbasses respond to and upvote for some reason. If reddit permanently went dark or just declined into irrelevance I don’t think much of any real value would be lost.
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WHERE MY HAT IS AT posted:Spez used to moderate r/jailbait back in the day, which has to move him at least a few spots up the dumb creepy tech CEO leaderboard. i heard this as well and looked into it, and apparently the excuse for this they're using now is that there is no confirmation required to make someone a mod, they don't have to accept, they just get appointed so anyone can be trolled by making them a mod of a gross subreddit. sounds like complete bullshit to me though. there's really no notification to the user? and why wasn't such an obvious exploit abused more? seems like this would've come up so much for high profile users if it were true.
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Bad Purchase posted:i heard this as well and looked into it, and apparently the excuse for this they're using now is that there is no confirmation required to make someone a mod, they don't have to accept, they just get appointed so anyone can be trolled by making them a mod of a gross subreddit. The first part is true, you can be made a mod by someone involuntarily. My local subreddit has an "Anarchy" version with 600+ moderators. The admins basically just give moderation privileges away when someone shitposts or says something funny in the main sub. I'm not actually sure how to get out of being a mod, you don't even have to subscribe to a sub to be one. You're right about not receiving notification being bullshit though. You get a DM saying you've been made a moderator - it's like a system message. I'd also assume that if you messaged one of the site's admins saying you've been made a moderator of a sexually exploitative or otherwise deplorable subreddit, they'd remove it for you.
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Bad Purchase posted:i heard this as well and looked into it, and apparently the excuse for this they're using now is that there is no confirmation required to make someone a mod, they don't have to accept, they just get appointed so anyone can be trolled by making them a mod of a gross subreddit. It was true back then. If it justifies the loving CEO (with people working under him who could check stuff easily) not knowing that he was a moderator for a certain subreddit is another matter altogether. But while it's been more than a decade, I remember it being common practice for people to own their "posting enemies" (you probably know the type who would do that sort of thing) to set the most vilest of possible subreddits, then appoint another user as a moderator of that, which did not require any sort of confirmation/acceptance from that user and also would not trigger any sort of message to warn them*. Great feature! It would never be misused! And then those people would pop in where that user was otherwise posting unaware of what had happened and go "ha ha, don't listen to this creep! He moderates r/sexwithdogs!" where that user would then be, as the kids said back then, "owned". * remember that one of the current issues is that there are no good official mod tools in 2023, back then there weren't any
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Lol I tried to do this one, but it wasn't approved. They went on to approve the one that called posting on reddit "posting with hitler" so I don't know wtf. I like it. You mean something like this? 
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If we are seriously advertising on Reddit (Lmao), an announcement pointing to the mobile app threads or links to the app store pages might be a good idea. On top of welcoming all the new and returning users with pig balls, of course.
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Hey, I'm back, where's my pig balls?
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Wouldn’t bringing ad viewing redditors decimate the quality of posting here or am I doing a fine job of that myself?
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hello internet posted:Wouldn’t bringing ad viewing redditors decimate the quality of posting here or am I doing a fine job of that myself? Yes, and I appreciate your effort to do it.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Lol I tried to do this one, but it wasn't approved. They went on to approve the one that called posting on reddit "posting with hitler" so I don't know wtf. Manyorcas posted:If we are seriously advertising on Reddit (Lmao), an announcement pointing to the mobile app threads or links to the app store pages might be a good idea. On top of welcoming all the new and returning users with pig balls, of course. Yes. If you are seriously trying to bring new users into the site, at least replace the frontpage temporarily using a basic template with recent threads on the middle of the page, two icons to download the different mobile apps on the top, and a big "all this with a one time payment and no ads" button at the bottom. Basic stuff but it makes a huge difference. Seriously. It is completely pointless to buy user recruiting ads only for people to 1) arrive, see a dead frontpage, and leave, or 2) find the forums but have them not work at all on their phones and no idea how to sort it easily Heck, no effort mode: temporarily redirect the frontpage to the forums.
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hello internet posted:Wouldn’t bringing ad viewing redditors decimate the quality of posting here or am I doing a fine job of that myself? Good question. I don't know, I definitely wouldn't turn away a bunch more Formula 1 fans though.
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