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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:do you mean if one of your own cities get captured? sort of like abandon the upper layers and run into the tunnels? Yeah, exactly. Not sure what you would use instead because that sounds annoying as gently caress to deal with when attacking a Skaven, but it could make for an ok faction affect instead of all skaven. Or just make it chance to happen. Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Related question: Will your allies treat it as an act of war / will the game tank your trustworthy/reliability diplo score/stat if you use Warlock Engineers to install Under-Cities on your allies?
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jokes posted:My favorite thing is to take a settlement and then trade it to an AI for absurd favors. Take some hosed-to-death poo poo heap, offer it to the nearest person who doesn't hate you, collect like $5000 and a fuckload of good will. I hope everyone also knows about the war declaration trick. Before you declare war on somebody, find their worst enemy who is also rich, and they will invariably pay you a large chunk of change to start a war you were already planning to wage. Free money.
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UP AND ADAM posted:I hope everyone also knows about the war declaration trick. Before you declare war on somebody, find their worst enemy who is also rich, and they will invariably pay you a large chunk of change to start a war you were already planning to wage. Free money. It does not bring in allies as well I believe. At least your own. Or vassals.
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My allies are almost always useless assholes so including them in a war does nothing but make them more vulnerable as they send a full stack to raid a T1 province while their T4 capital is razed by beastmen
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jokes posted:My favorite thing is to take a settlement and then trade it to an AI for absurd favors. Take some hosed-to-death poo poo heap, offer it to the nearest person who doesn't hate you, collect like $5000 and a fuckload of good will. Yeah I do this to get myself out of trouble when I'm into multiple front wars. Take shitheap from someone I'm fighting, trade it to a different enemy for a NAP and gold then I can focus for 10+ turns. Gives you some breathing room and extra money. The AI grossly over-values settlements too. The only time it backfires is with LLs that tend to betray you but there are surprisingly few who will break a NAP early.
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The AI really overvalues settlements, but in an annoying way too. By the mid-game a T2 minor settlement with a literal pile of greenskin poo poo in the center of town costs like $20k.
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The Gunslinger posted:Yeah I do this to get myself out of trouble when I'm into multiple front wars. Take shitheap from someone I'm fighting, trade it to a different enemy for a NAP and gold then I can focus for 10+ turns. Gives you some breathing room and extra money. The AI grossly over-values settlements too. The only time it backfires is with LLs that tend to betray you but there are surprisingly few who will break a NAP early. The AI does try to keep it's reliability up, and breaking a NAP early is the largest blow to reliability you can get iirc. Additionally, they'd be loving useless and no one would use them if they didn't work.
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Jun 13, 2023 18:13
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UP AND ADAM posted:I hope everyone also knows about the war declaration trick. Before you declare war on somebody, find their worst enemy who is also rich, and they will invariably pay you a large chunk of change to start a war you were already planning to wage. Free money. 
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In one of my Chorf campaigns I was fighting Zhao Ming and as I took his settlements I would trade them to Miao Ying, not only eventually getting an alliance with her but it also meant that I didn't have to worry about Zhao regaining any territory.
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Giving settlements to my allies as a form of ablative armor around my poo poo
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I've seen videos of TW3 where a Chaos player tries to gift settlements to a new vassal and the vassal is so pissed off that they refuse to take it.
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Cythereal posted:I've seen videos of TW3 where a Chaos player tries to gift settlements to a new vassal and the vassal is so pissed off that they refuse to take it. This has happened to me when I have subjugated factions I want to give things to.
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Cythereal posted:I've seen videos of TW3 where a Chaos player tries to gift settlements to a new vassal and the vassal is so pissed off that they refuse to take it. I know it's just a consequence of how they do vassalization but it's stupid that I can smash someone down to their last man and offer them the gift of life, in service, and they still take like 30 turns seething before they'll entertain the idea of trading with me. You would not exist but for my mercy
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Personally, if someone butchered my entire empire I'd love him forever.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Personally, if someone butchered my entire empire I'd love him forever. Only if it was in accordance with The Great Plan
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jokes posted:Giving settlements to my allies as a form of ablative armor around my poo poo warhammer fantasy baltic states
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Personally, if someone butchered my entire empire I'd love him forever. Sounds like they shoulda declined or fought better. Empire skill issue
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UP AND ADAM posted:I hope everyone also knows about the war declaration trick. Before you declare war on somebody, find their worst enemy who is also rich, and they will invariably pay you a large chunk of change to start a war you were already planning to wage. Free money. Also useful is using the "join war" diplomacy option to declare war on someone without pulling in all their allies.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:(bravely) Skaven should be able to build undercity stay-behind networks in cities they occupy and then donate Slaanesh too. What, you think the Daily Horse Gangbang Society is going to just disband because of boring politics ? They've got charity streams on fridays and everything. The charity does tend to be "Coke For Kidz" more often than not, but still.
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LOVE having a Valiant Defeat AR that I played out into a Heroic Victory crash going to the postbattle screen Enough to abandon this loving campaign on honestly, sorry Throt. Maybe I'll try you again in another year
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:LOVE having a Valiant Defeat AR that I played out into a Heroic Victory crash going to the postbattle screen Oooooof that has happened too many times Top tip though, most Valiant ARs are easily winnable
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I think Kostaltyn is just secret-buffed by crashing the game if I fight him in half of this cursed slavic wasteland, he's the common factor in this crashing (I'm a fool, I tried again with ambushing him elsewhere)
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Double-post because I figured out the crashing problem and was stupid enough to try Imrik. What am I supposed to do against Chaos Dwarves as "fire guy: the guy who deals only fire damage"? Wish I'd picked up the newest DLC faction instead?
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Wow playing throt in immortal empires sure went from easy in mortal empires to a brutal slog because Kislev is ridiculous.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Double-post because I figured out the crashing problem and was stupid enough to try Imrik. Chaos dwarves are not immune to halberds, greatswords, and fancy arrows
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May I recommend my good friend chariot
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I picked up the two big DLCs for 3 during the sale, and finally got to play some today. I was wondering why my economy as Astragoth was so awful until I realized I somehow had "accept laborers" unclicked on all my provinces so I was getting no slaves at all. That was a restart, ha.
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Man, skullcrackers are really good now. Can rack up hundreds of kills with those now
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Can anyone recommend some fun PvP Immortal Empires starts? Like maybe playing 20-30 turns against a buddy or two.
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wedgie deliverer posted:Can anyone recommend some fun PvP Immortal Empires starts? Like maybe playing 20-30 turns against a buddy or two. Ungrim vs Astragoth?
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Yeah any sort of "civil war" start (if you wanna beat up on each other) with the same faction would be fun.
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wedgie deliverer posted:Can anyone recommend some fun PvP Immortal Empires starts? Like maybe playing 20-30 turns against a buddy or two. Any faction is fun because you can literally take control of the ai in every single fight your opponent is in and totally gently caress them over
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Jarvisi posted:Any faction is fun because you can literally take control of the ai in every single fight your opponent is in and totally gently caress them over I do that by taking charge of my friends units and being bad at the game instead. Your archers all died? Oh sorry dude I was watching Ikit's cool animations forgot I sent them over there
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Jarvisi posted:Any faction is fun because you can literally take control of the ai in every single fight your opponent is in and totally gently caress them over Yeah it’s this. You can also, if you’re very bad manners, do meta poo poo like using an entire AI army to focus down a high-value unit early on.
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Honestly, Empire needs a power buff. Going up against high level Chaos (Nurgle most often) stacks with even a main line of great swords is just a loving massacre. Just lost, barely, to Festus with (lvl 25) Karl's stack with a death wizard, all gold chevron great swords, gunners and grenade launchers and they just mulched me. I had 3 mortars and the ROR rocket launcher and they didn't make a difference at all as the plagueridden weirdos just marched through the hail of lead. Empire is really well balanced against Vampire Counts, but there's so many really scary factions that have been added later. Of course, the auto resolve literally took about 5% losses winning the same battle so maybe I'm just terrible.
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Grenades and mortars will devastate certain opponents, but they aren't armor piercing. You want cannons when you're fighting chaos armies. Position your lines in such a way that they can rake a latlrge chunk of the enemy line and they will rack up a lot of kills.
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I'm poking at Nakai with the fan patch, and man these units look so much better than my borrowed dinos I used as Miao Ying. Black and white just does not work as a color scheme for the lizards, imo, especially the sacred kroxigors.
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Nuclear War posted:Honestly, Empire needs a power buff. Going up against high level Chaos (Nurgle most often) stacks with even a main line of great swords is just a loving massacre. Just lost, barely, to Festus with (lvl 25) Karl's stack with a death wizard, all gold chevron great swords, gunners and grenade launchers and they just mulched me. I had 3 mortars and the ROR rocket launcher and they didn't make a difference at all as the plagueridden weirdos just marched through the hail of lead. Empire is really well balanced against Vampire Counts, but there's so many really scary factions that have been added later. Of course, the auto resolve literally took about 5% losses winning the same battle so maybe I'm just terrible. Other than chaos spawn, p much the entire Chaos roster is armored so you really only want greatswords and/or halberds, handgunners, and AP artillery. Everything else is functionally useless. And since Chaos generally also brings their super-heavy cavalry, you'll probably want halberds instead of greatswords regardless.
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Nuclear War posted:Honestly, Empire needs a power buff. Going up against high level Chaos (Nurgle most often) stacks with even a main line of great swords is just a loving massacre. Just lost, barely, to Festus with (lvl 25) Karl's stack with a death wizard, all gold chevron great swords, gunners and grenade launchers and they just mulched me. I had 3 mortars and the ROR rocket launcher and they didn't make a difference at all as the plagueridden weirdos just marched through the hail of lead. Empire is really well balanced against Vampire Counts, but there's so many really scary factions that have been added later. Of course, the auto resolve literally took about 5% losses winning the same battle so maybe I'm just terrible. The mortars are going to be next to useless so you want better arty to start. The other main thing is what kind of units chaos are running. If they're using chosen, you're just going to need to send a lot more men. Chosen will cost more than twice as much as handgunners and Festus doesn't have much scope to make a lot of cash compared to Empire economy. Build a second stack of halberdiers and handgunners and bury Festus in your dead. Grind them down. That's the Empire way.
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