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E: oh sure bury the poor man's post, phyknox_harrington posted:aaaaaAAAAAAAAAHH having decided to take the Fireblade and having a great trip over the Alps, now the loving thing won't start.
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knox_harrington posted:aaaaaAAAAAAAAAHH having decided to take the Fireblade and having a great trip over the Alps, now the loving thing won't start. Weak battery. Enough power to run the electronics, but as soon as there's a starter load, the start relay just chatters. You should be able to push start it in second gear.
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if that's the case, just bump start it. there ought to be enough power to run the injectors and ecu and such. (put it in neutral with the ignition and killswitch on, push and run and get it rolling at about 15 mph, hop on, clutch in, kick up into second, pop the clutch out) e: i saw your ninja edit 
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Jun 13, 2023 19:20
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Bump start it only to find it's gone flat again when you stop for a scenic photo at the top of the Alps
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Jun 13, 2023 19:31
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Well that's certainly better than stopping at the bottom of the Alps for bumping it
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Jun 13, 2023 19:33
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Good point I'll give bump starting it a go. Fortunately I'm on a massive hill so no pushing needed. Gratuitous Lugano shot:  Guess I'll need to call around garages and see if one has the right battery. I'm here for a conference and need to get back up the hill in the afternoon for a sneaky interview. The worst time for this to happen. Should I just disconnect the bike batteries completely over winter?
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knox_harrington posted:Good point I'll give bump starting it a go. Fortunately I'm on a massive hill so no pushing needed. Disconnect or keep them on a tender.
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Jun 13, 2023 19:52
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Also can you please tell us what happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps?
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Both bikes have been on a charger all winter. TotalLossBrain posted:Also can you please tell us what happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps? Lol
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knox_harrington posted:Both bikes have been on a charger all winter. Then probably just a bad battery. Tender should keep them topped up.
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knox_harrington posted:Good point I'll give bump starting it a go. Fortunately I'm on a massive hill so no pushing needed. Palm trees in the alps boggles my mind.
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Toe Rag posted:Palm trees in the alps boggles my mind. Lugano isn't really the Alps, more "Italian Lakes" though still in Switzerland, and Italian climate. It's between Lago Como (which is particularly nice and worth a visit) and Lago Maggiore. 
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u p d a t e I called the various Honda garages nearby with no luck getting a replacement battery in < 1 week. I decided to roll the dice with a little shop I bought an emergency rain jacket from in 2019: success! Delivery tomorrow/Friday and he even gave me a discount. Yuasa batteries are not cheap
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Jun 14, 2023 12:51
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its dead dead? ie takes no charge from a battery charger also?
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Jun 14, 2023 12:57
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I'm a long way from home and don't have a charger, or even a proper parking space. And I need to go home on Sunday.
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knox_harrington posted:Yuasa batteries are not cheap They are not, but they ARE high quality, which sounds like its more important right now
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Jun 14, 2023 14:36
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When I needed a new battery a few years ago I hosed it up and bought a yuasa. After hurting my back and not riding the last two years, I went to charge it and fried it. 
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Jun 14, 2023 20:12
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How did you fry a lead acid battery? They're really resistant to overcharging and whatnot
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Level 2 Automotive speed charger
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Beve Stuscemi posted:How did you fry a lead acid battery? They're really resistant to overcharging and whatnot No they aren't they smell like rotten eggs and blow the gently caress up
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I set it on repair (noco genius 10) and admittedly forgot about it. I really should have just set it to smart charge and it would've shut off. When I went into my garage the next morning to go to work, the smell was appalling. It smelled like death to the point I thought something got into my garage and died so I was going to look around and saw my battery steaming on my workbench. It was a huge facepalm, "jesus christ that was insanely stupid" moment. I had to open my door and use all the fans for a day or two to make the smell go away. I thought it would smell like electronics burning, not organic decay. I don't blame the charger, it was 100% my fault for forgetting about it. Its charged my car batteries very well. Verman fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jun 14, 2023 |
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Just get an optimate charger next time. You literally cannot gently caress up a battery if it's getting tended by an optimate charger. Any of their range will do.
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Slavvy posted:No they aren't they smell like rotten eggs and blow the gently caress up Turn on your monitor?
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I guess I must be a bit unfamiliar with lead acid failures then, I just keep mine on a tender and they’re ok
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I always kept mine on a tender but it must have stopped charging at some point. I think next time I'll take it out of the bike for extended periods of not riding.
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My bike fell off the head stand at some point after I took the forks off... first time using that kind of stand, but it had the right size pin and it seated and locked down in place, so thought it would be good. It didn't tip over thankfully, went straight down onto one of the exhaust headers and dented it a bit. I don't think anything else was damaged. After I got a couple bottle jacks to just get it off the floor so it's not sitting on the headers, I've spent the past couple days trying to think of how to unfuck the situation. I don't have jacks long enough to get it back up enough to hoist it with any kind of head lift again, unless I jury rig some alternating jenga cinder blocks contraption. No roof joists in the garage I could use to hoist anything with. Maybe a foldable crane like the kind used for lifting engines? Also it has frame pegs, maybe I could take it off the rear stand and just lower it on one side slowly? First picture is the best I took of it on the head lift, but maybe someone can tell if something didn't look right.  
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I mean the original problem was that terrifying looking paddock stand, yikes Anyway you're here now, I think an engine crane is probably your best bet, it'll be dicey but I've done it before and so can you. I wouldn't recommend attempting to use the crash bungs, the risk is really high. If you can get the fork legs in, which I can't tell if you can or not, then there's no reason you can't get two strong mates to just hold it up using the bars while you put the wheel in.
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Steakandchips posted:Just get an optimate charger next time. You literally cannot gently caress up a battery if it's getting tended by an optimate charger. Any of their range will do. My bikes have been on this optimate through the winter 
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Slavvy posted:I mean the original problem was that terrifying looking paddock stand, yikes Think I'll replace all my stands with Pitbull stands next, the rear has been OK with spools especially on my Ninja 400 which is so light, but it's not great quality.
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I got this guy for the OEM lithium battery in my new KX
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knox_harrington posted:My bikes have been on this optimate through the winter eh something's off if your bike was on an optimate charger all winter. if it was connected properly and isn't ancient that battery should've survived the winter w/o issue does Honda still have reg/rec issues on their sportbikes? thought that was a thing of the past
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It was never a Honda issue, it has always been an every japanese bike issue. The vfr800 has an overly grunty stator which causes RR overheating, the internet turned this into every Honda. Every japanese bike has a cheap lovely RR, on the R1 it's mounted literally inside the ram air duct and that still doesn't stop them melting. Sometimes batteries just poo poo themselves even if you do everything right, I would be pretty surprised if a bike that new had any kind of charging issue but I guess it's worth checking.
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RightClickSaveAs posted:My bike fell off the head stand at some point after I took the forks off... first time using that kind of stand, but it had the right size pin and it seated and locked down in place, so thought it would be good. You've got me nervous now because that looks an awful lot like the cheap Amazon special front stand I have. I've used it on the 919 and Zero, both for several days and a week+ without issue. It feels stable enough to me but who knows.  
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That one looks like it has a lot more clearance under the front than what I have, and is locked down more in place, maybe mine just isn't supposed to be used with my bike. Hard to see in the first picture I posted but the bar with the pin at the end is up against the front underside on my bike and there's nothing else I could take off to get better clearance. Mine also didn't lock back at the angle yours does, so maybe it was never all the way engaged... Orderd a Pitbull head lift that should be here in a couple days, I'll try to find a way to get it up on that once it's in.
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I put my bike on the new pit stand for some chain lubing and promptly sliced my palm open on a sharp cornered metallic surfaced foam sticker some idiot put on said stand. Lots of blood, hard place to tape up. This made me mad.
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RightClickSaveAs posted:Thanks, I'll see if I can get a crane of some kind to at least get it up high enough to get the forks back in. Yeah there's no clearance right now especially with the jacks and blocks in the way. What does your garage roof look like? When I had both wheels off, each end of the bike was ratchet strapped to the steel roof joists (with most of the weight going through the centre stand) but obviously that's only an option if the inside structure of your roof is exposed
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New battery, showing 12.4V on the bike's internal meter. It started right up. 
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Renaissance Robot posted:What does your garage roof look like? When I had both wheels off, each end of the bike was ratchet strapped to the steel roof joists (with most of the weight going through the centre stand) but obviously that's only an option if the inside structure of your roof is exposed That was totally the problem, the stand I was using didn't fit under the front of the bike well enough to lock in place so it was kinda sitting on the bar rather than swiveling down to fully lock in. I should have caught that. I have turned this into an expensive fork seal replacement
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knox_harrington posted:New battery, showing 12.4V on the bike's internal meter. It started right up. They made the battery on the new model absurdly small didn't they 12.4 is uuuh not brilliant for a brand new one tbh
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I wouldn't trust the bike's internal meter either though. Test it with a multimeter in all the different circumstances (out of circuit, in circuit bike off, bike on headlight off, headlight on, while starting, engine running at idle, engine running at 5000 RPM) to get a good idea of how it's actually performing. Or just ride it because it's a brand new AGM battery and it's fine.
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