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Literally every RPG in the world has the main character be the leader of the party in some way. Owlcats last 2 games had you play as a King/Queen and essentially a demigod and there were no problems with power dynamics. The only time I've ever been grossed out by a power dynamic in an RPG romance was the girl from the Hutt expansion for The Old Republic. That poo poo was straight up loving dire. The first lesbian option too, to make it worse. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Jun 15, 2023 |
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In the Old Republic you can romance Vette while having not freed her from slavery and keeping a shock collar on her at all times. It's very bad
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Jun 15, 2023 01:01
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Buschmaki posted:In the Old Republic you can romance Vette while having not freed her from slavery and keeping a shock collar on her at all times. It's very bad that poo poo was nuts yeah
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Jun 15, 2023 01:07
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Basically all of the romances in The Old Republic are a nightmare of power imbalances. You are 80% of the time romancing your padawan, your military subordinate who MUST follow your orders , or your literal slave.
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Jun 15, 2023 01:37
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Captain Oblivious posted:Basically all of the romances in The Old Republic are a nightmare of power imbalances. You are 80% of the time romancing your padawan, your military subordinate who MUST follow your orders , or your literal slave. The only vanilla romances in SWTOR that don’t have that kind of creepy dynamic are the bounty hunter (partners) and the smuggler (your former boss and business partner, warrior lady who definitely takes the lead on you, or the galaxy’s biggest simp).
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Jun 15, 2023 01:58
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There are awkward issues with the presumable Cassia romance, but to me it seems more a matter of how naive she is rather than the power dynamics of positions. Given she personally agreed to the contract rather than it being one signed with her house where she was assigned, there's nothing really stopping her from ending it on her own either. There's also the further minor issue that it's a REALLY bad idea to play power dynamics with your Navigator, given that they can, you know, instantly murder you and your entire ship by just not doing their job. Hell, Cassia's doing a drat good job murdering parts of your crew already by just being some super special Navigator House experiment, so upsetting her seems like even more of an absolutely horrible idea than it would be normally. Of the remaining companions, apparently Argenta, Pasqal and the Space Wolf are all confirmed as not being options, so no worries about power dynamics in that sense for them. On the other end of the spectrum, the Yrliet was apparently confirmed as an option, and I don't even want to try and figure out what the power dynamics of dating the itinerant 1000+ year old xenos who mostly joined up due to wanderlust is. I don't think there's been any confirmation one way or the other for Heinrix, Abelard or Idira, but logically the first two at least are likely to be options. Heinrix was seconded to you, but he's also acting as an observer for his Inquisitor Lord so he could likely get you killed by just damning you enough with his reports, so that seems like a fairly even dynamic even if he is technically your subordinate. Assuming they're options, that really makes just Abelard and Idira as the companions who are your actual subordinates rather than various other things going on.
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Jun 15, 2023 03:17
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Just finished Chapter one The Space Marine was a bitch. Real sudden spike in difficulty. I ended up deciding to blow up the Fusion Reactor. There are definitely a few of those out there and letting a planet with no sun become a full on Demon world seemed like a really, really bad idea.
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Jun 15, 2023 03:38
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Interrogators aren't full inquisitors but they carry a rosette and speak with the inquisitor's authority. Within Imperial space Heinrix could put a lasbolt through your RT's head if he wanted and that'd be that. Abelard likewise isn't indentured or anything and just prefers RT life to the Imperial Navy. Idira is a bit different though because she's unsanctioned. Without the RT's protection it's off to the Black Ships she goes and that's probably the end of her given how unstable she seems. Yrliet romance would be a bit sketch, though. Eldar see humans the way we see apes or dogs. Her romancing a human would be pretty scandalous within aeldari society. Lassitude fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jun 15, 2023 |
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Jun 15, 2023 03:57
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Quick 2 gameplay questions: I picked up a multimelta but I don't see a heavy weapon option in level-up. Is it just equipable by the space marine? Have y'all noticed any particularly effective ways to prioritize the trading options. I gave a bunch of poo poo to the mechanicus because they seem like an obvious one.
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Jun 15, 2023 04:07
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Eifert Posting posted:Quick 2 gameplay questions: The specialty is not currently available as a selectable option in the game, so file it under "Still To Do." Thus, that weapon is currently unusable unless the Space Marine has it inbuilt (dunno, haven't reached him). For the latter question, there doesn't currently seem to be any real difference. Presumably the various factions will eventually have preferences for certain categories, but at the moment they don't - they all use the same points gain table. VVV edit: It's not, you're likely mixing it up with Heavy Armor Proficiency: 
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Jun 15, 2023 04:21
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Eifert Posting posted:Quick 2 gameplay questions: There's definitely a Heavy Weapon Specialisation you can pick up, and I think you would also need Melta Weapon Specialisation. The perk/skill screen is terrible right now, and I really hope they rebuild it, at least so that the career specific skills are right at the bottom of a huge scroll list.
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Jun 15, 2023 04:22
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Lassitude posted:Yrliet romance would be a bit sketch, though. Eldar see humans the way we see apes or dogs. Her romancing a human would be pretty scandalous within aeldari society. Can't love bloom on the battlefield, tho ? (I'll see myself out, thankyouverymuch, y'all can put down the knives)
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Jun 15, 2023 08:08
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Kobal2 posted:Can't love bloom on the battlefield, tho ? I dunno, it could work if Yrliet's the cold sniper and you're the pretty psyker 
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Jun 15, 2023 13:24
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So what are peoples thoughts on character builds for the protagonist so far? I understand Psyker is pretty barely implemented rn which is unfortunate because playing one of those to replace the inevitably air locked Idira would be nice but still!
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Jun 15, 2023 19:57
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Kobal2 posted:Can't love bloom on the battlefield, tho ? The elder thing would be extremely weird lore wise because they honestly see humans as feral animals barely worthy of consideration. So real freak poo poo for anyone who wants to romance/sex up a mon-key. I can't remember, but I think the 2nd and 3rd war for Armageddon were a plot by one of the big name Eldar psykers because he forsaw that otherwise the Orc would eventually attack the Elder and possibly kill 10,000 of them. That many humans probably died per day during each war if not more. However video game convention is extremely pro "sexy female alien falls for rogue-ish human"
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Jun 15, 2023 20:54
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Buschmaki posted:In the Old Republic you can romance Vette while having not freed her from slavery and keeping a shock collar on her at all times. It's very bad I don't know if this was the case at launch, but I checked and based on some forum posts I found, it hasn't been true since at least 2012 (for a game that launched in 2011). I played the Sith Warrior story a couple years ago, and you can't romance Vette without freeing her and removing the collar. Probably still a little weird for those players who didn't free her immediately, but either that was always the case, or Bioware immediately realized they hosed up and changed it within the game's first year.
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It's hard to truly tell yet, since so many of the background and occupations (not just Psyker) aren't remotely complete yet. With that said, I do think the Astra Militarum Commander's unique ability and related talents are potentially very useful. Core Ability Combined Arms: Commander and their allies deal an additional +20+(PER bonus)x2% damage to enemies that are adjacent to the Commander or their allies until the end of the Commander's next turn. All Commander's allies also take no damage from Friendly Fire attacks. Once per combat. Optional Talents Distraction: While Combined Arms is active, Commander's Single Shot and AoE attacks get +20% Dodge Reduction, Parry Reduction and Cover Penetration against affected enemies. Drown them in Shots!: While Combined Arms is active, all allies gain +5% RoF for every attack they've made since the beginning of this effect. Friend in Need: While Combined Arms is active, killing an enemy adjacent to an ally grants the Commander an additional +10 Momentum. Unflinching Heroism: Every time the Commander's allies use a Heroic Action, the Commander gets a stacking +5 bonus to all their stats until the end of combat. Shoulder to Shoulder: While the Commander is adjacent to an ally, the Commander deals an additional +10+(PER bonus)% damage to any enemy adjacent to an ally. Stacks with Combined Arms. So a significant damage amp to the whole team when active, potentially a very silly number of shots for a single ally if you stack turn order and effects right (via the second talent), theoretically up to +30 to all stats (realistically probably not, but even +10 is nothing to scoff at), and another moderate damage amp that's reasonably easy to set up and is always on. Obviously the Astra Militarum Commander background is more set up for ranged combat, but there are certainly ways to make a melee character with it too via other options (like Death World background).
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Jun 15, 2023 21:08
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Psychic Shriek and Assail got pretty powerful once I levelled up a bunch. Helps that Perils of the Warp never triggered despite maxing out a lot
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Lord Koth posted:
That seems broken unless the stats get into the dozens early on. You can easily get a +5 or even a +10 then a melee Commander could just pulp everything in range.
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pentyne posted:That seems broken unless the stats get into the dozens early on. You can easily get a +5 or even a +10 then a melee Commander could just pulp everything in range. ??? It's not a +5 to your bonus, just a +5 to the stat. So your, say, STR goes from 50 to 55. For contrast, one of the Biomancy powers Heinrix starts with, Iron Arm, gives 20+4x(Psy Rating) to STR and TGH until the end of combat. Voice of Command, the Leader core ability, gives a boost of 5+2x(FEL bonus) to all of someone's characteristics for a round. So a +5 to +30 boost over the course of the fight is nice (and again you're unlikely to get it over +10 - +15 in most cases, if that), but I'd certainly not call it gamebreaking or anything.
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Lord Koth posted:??? Ah. I'm still thinking in terms of pathfinder, where a +10 to stat would be a +5 bonus.
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pentyne posted:The elder thing would be extremely weird lore wise because they honestly see humans as feral animals barely worthy of consideration. So real freak poo poo for anyone who wants to romance/sex up a mon-key. Eldar on average are insane turbo chauvinists sure, but in the same way as some humans join like PETA, some Eldar presumably recognise that humans are another sentient species, and once they cross that barrier it’s only a matter of time before someone thinks “hmm, can I gently caress that?”
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Explain Roboute and the eldar lady with a tiger then, poindexter
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WH40k has flirted with the odd human/eldar relations here and there for decades, this is nothing new or shocking. I mean it would still be absolutely scandalous in both societies but yeah. Personally I’m expecting a Wenduag esque romance where the Eldar Ranger is a wildly hosed up person and so is the act of romancing them and there’s a billion failure points.
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DaysBefore posted:Psychic Shriek and Assail got pretty powerful once I levelled up a bunch. Helps that Perils of the Warp never triggered despite maxing out a lot Yeah I noticed the same thing. Even in encounters where the meter started pumped up I’ve never triggered Perils. For that matter my plasma guns have never overheated no matter how many times I use the alt fire.
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there's at least one canonical Eldar weirdo who thinks Orks are the perfect life-form and their own kind pale by comparison, an individual being on good terms with humans isn't that big a deal
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Eldar: My race is dying, our souls doomed to be consumed by She-who-thirsts, because of the wanton debauchery and degeneracy of those we left behind. We must live lives of strict discipline in order to have any hope of avoiding a fate worse than death. Also Eldar: lmao now watch me gently caress this mon’keigh
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It's not really canon anymore, but 1st edition when warhammer was better the chief librarian of the ultramarines was a half-human half-eldar.
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Preechr posted:Eldar: My race is dying, our souls doomed to be consumed by She-who-thirsts, because of the wanton debauchery and degeneracy of those we left behind. We must live lives of strict discipline in order to have any hope of avoiding a fate worse than death. defeating Slaanesh with the power of true love
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My Eldar companion, Catherine the Great.
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Speaking of eldar I ran into a pretty fun bug where they decided they were literally going to have a hundred percent Dodge chance. The only way I could damage them was by using psychic powers. Even after knocking them down they were still dodging 100% of the time. A couple of them didn't prox that bug though and got one shot by a burst from the sister.
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Eifert Posting posted:A couple of them didn't prox that bug though and got one shot by a burst from the sister. I feel like half my kills in this game are from Argenta murdering five dudes a round with a bolter burst
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:there's at least one canonical Eldar weirdo who thinks Orks are the perfect life-form and their own kind pale by comparison, an individual being on good terms with humans isn't that big a deal I mean the Eldar and Orks were both creations of the same people, designed to come at problems from two different angles. It would make sense to have some respect for the others capabilities even if you would still root for your team. On a meta level it's of course just a commentary on how the army that best fits the aesthetics and philosophy of the game are the ones always spoiling for a good fight/game and having fun while doing it instead of getting lost in the myriad of lore. Edit: As for Argenta I never managed to get her to be that powerful running a bolter but I absolutely managed to get her good by giving her one of the better flamers and kitting her out with gear that raised flame and burning damage. evilmiera fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Jun 16, 2023 |
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It was a bad day in general for bugs. I was on a void ship mission that crashed to desktop every 5 minutes so I had to save every 3 minutes. I had a combat where somebody got stuck running on a treadmill when I asked him to move somewhere where I had to close the program. A gargantuan Palace kept disappearing, and then there's the immortal dancing eldar. I went from not reporting a single bug to reporting like 12 in one session.
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Trying not to spoil myself too much on this. How's the character building compared to their PF games?
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Had a fun bug last night where every voidship combat ended immediately after starting and gave me a pretty sweet lance weapon as a reward. Honestly I think the combat against Drukhari ships in general might be bugged because they don’t really seem to attack that often but instead spend the whole fight zooming around me in absurd circles.
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PantsOptional posted:Had a fun bug last night where every voidship combat ended immediately after starting and gave me a pretty sweet lance weapon as a reward. Honestly I think the combat against Drukhari ships in general might be bugged because they don’t really seem to attack that often but instead spend the whole fight zooming around me in absurd circles. That is how they love to fight in the two Battlefleet Gothic games. Though they shoot at you while they do it of course. Also kinda how they play in RL on the tabletop.
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Deki posted:Trying not to spoil myself too much on this. How's the character building compared to their PF games? In my experience, it's much simpler for better and worse- it might be subject to change in the future of course, but right now all character progression is much more defined by class in terms of both attributes and skills, and considering the limited scope of the early beta, has led to some builds feeling samey, especially if the characters in question aren't psykers. That said, there doesn't seem to be any trap options or useless feats like in pathfinder, and each class has their own unique perks, so while builds between two characters of the same class might be similar, characters of different classes play very differently from, say, a Paladin and a Warpriest from Pathfinder.
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EclecticTastes posted:I don't know if this was the case at launch, but I checked and based on some forum posts I found, it hasn't been true since at least 2012 (for a game that launched in 2011). I played the Sith Warrior story a couple years ago, and you can't romance Vette without freeing her and removing the collar. Probably still a little weird for those players who didn't free her immediately, but either that was always the case, or Bioware immediately realized they hosed up and changed it within the game's first year.
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Blockhouse posted:There's zero chance there's not going to be romance in this game and I can't imagine it's going to be difficult to find. You're just going to have to not engage. I was thinking about this the other day! It's clearly a very deliberate choice by GW - their characters might admire and even quietly yearn for members of the opposite sex, but it's always kept very chaste - romances never develop and sex scenes are unthinkable, which is probably for the best... just imagine an author trying to do that in the accepted Black Library style. And yes, I think it comes back to GW's presumed core audience of awkward adolescent boys, as per this poem by Roger Mc Gough: "I like it when they get shot in the head And there's blood on the pillow And blood on the bed. And it's good when They get stabbed in the eye And they scream and they take A long time to die. And it all spurts out all over the floor And the audience shivers And shouts for more. ... ... ... But I don't like it when they kiss."
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