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Yeah, often in the comics Miles is indistinguishable from Peter, writing wise. He doesn’t stand out in any way the movie or game Mileses do. His culture is basically ignored, probably because the (often) white writers don’t want to make any faux pas, so they avoid it completely, which just makes him bland. Movie Miles has black writers and directors who understand and know what they’re talking about, so Miles gets infused with lived experiences and he’s so much more rounded and compelling. ITSV still makes me cry because I love that little guy and I want him to do well. 
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It's impressive how miles manages to have a million times more character than Peter Parker in all the live action movies despite actually being pretty close to that formula
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Jun 16, 2023 02:15
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Comics Miles really does squander the character. Getting tangled up with the whole Ultimate Universe thing was a rough start, and then not really giving him much to do other than rehashes of Peter's old stories since then. I think the first time they breathed some life into Miles was when Jason Reynolds wrote a Miles Morales: Spider-man young adult novel--it came out even before the first Spider-verse movie. It fleshed out his neighborhood and people in his community in a way that was really transformational (and even does a bit of the same for Ganke).
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Jun 16, 2023 02:17
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Btw since no one asked, the best Spider-Man is Superior Spider-Man... It's right in the name.
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Jun 16, 2023 02:21
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Mantis42 posted:Btw since no one asked, the best Spider-Man is Superior Spider-Man... It's right in the name. Eeeeehhhh...only when written by authors who aren't Dan Slott. It's funny how much better that was when other writers used him.
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Jun 16, 2023 02:29
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The first PS4 Spider-man game came out before Spiderverse made everybody know about Miles Morales, so it drags out Miles' introduction hilariously slowly. Like reading an alphabet book to a baby, but instead of letters it's the concept of a black spider-man.
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Jun 16, 2023 02:36
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Speaking of video game Miles and Prowler Miles, my new dream is for Earth 42 Miles to be a good guy and he builds our Miles the LED helmet from the video game. That would look unbelievably cool in their animation style.
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MokBa posted:Speaking of video game Miles and Prowler Miles, my new dream is for Earth 42 Miles to be a good guy and he builds our Miles the LED helmet from the video game. That would look unbelievably cool in their animation style. Earth 42 Miles is gonna turn out to be pretty well adjusted in spite of everything.
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Jun 16, 2023 03:28
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people are making spidersonas again and these are some of the more interesting ones i've seen https://twitter.com/kerumunan/status/1668324296853450752?t=DGa5Fcz2t2M4vc2-CF_yWQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/GNlukprajaotakk/status/1668613114882060289?t=KDRusGoK5v2NnQtWatBjJw&s=19 https://twitter.com/flying_frappe/status/1669381158054817792?t=PWdWzFBWjpKG4OToTl6RvQ&s=19 The subtitles for "see you back home Spider-Man" had the word "home" translated in bahasa to "kampung" which can also mean a tranquil malay village https://twitter.com/tecotit/status/1668609222744092672?t=bcyKZDssD2zqRd9Ghn8KBg&s=19
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And MCU Peter Parker came full circle in stealing bits from Miles. There was a whole video going into detail about how the movie basically reinvented Miles with much needed characterisation making him distinct from Peter. He's a lot more extraverted, artistic and community focused than the aloof nerd Peter, which is kinda highlighted with Peter B.
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That's a good way of putting it. It's been a long time since I read USM so I couldn't really articulate the difference that well tbh
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The Saddest Rhino posted:people are making spidersonas again and these are some of the more interesting ones i've seen I can almost understand Minang (I am half Minang) so the appropriately feminine Minang Spidey (it's a matrilineal culture) is saying "don't try to mess with me when I'm sleeping or this saucer is gonna fly, you dig?". Also The Spot would say that if he's Malay.
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Miles' backstory from the first Spiderverse movie and from the Insomniac game are completely mushed together in my memory lol.
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mcmagic posted:Miles' backstory from the first Spiderverse movie and from the Insomniac game are completely mushed together in my memory lol. I saw it with somebody who hasn't played the game and didn't have a non-spoilery way to ask "Hey I forget, is Jeff alive or not at the end of the movie?" so I just waited for the film to start. Then it became a A Whole Thing and I patted myself on the back for being prudent.
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my friends and i laughed a lot at the malay translation and love the fan art for more context, kampung is normally in reference to your larger family's hometown which oftentimes is a village, and most people "balik kampung" during festive seasons and so they visit everyone else, normally with festive wear hence the traditional wear that spot is using, it's what men would wear when they balik kampung ( well, they'd have more clothes on but the idea is there) we also talked a bit about the best translation and we think it's probably best to go for"jumpa lagi" which is roughly see you soon! doesnt have the home connotation in the original line but eh, the meaning gets across
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This movie was a whole lot of fun and I really liked the whole vibe but should they really need 6 hours to tell this story?
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If you have to make 3 movies why not split it. (And no doubt it was contracted for 2 more movies after into the spiderverse )
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mcmagic posted:This movie was a whole lot of fun and I really liked the whole vibe but should they really need 6 hours to tell this story? What exactly do you propose that they cut, because I can't think of a single thing
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Jun 16, 2023 14:28
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Fangz posted:What exactly do you propose that they cut, because I can't think of a single thing
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People saying it's too long are out of their mind. It goes so hard every single second and it's all good. Maybe the live action cameos outstay their welcome by a few seconds?
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I do feel like that it felt like it was building up to a climactic action scene and then kinda just ends. Like, even BTTF2 has a proper climax and denouement.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I do feel like that it felt like it was building up to a climactic action scene and then kinda just ends. Like, even BTTF2 has a proper climax and denouement. The climactic action scene was Miles vs the Spidermen
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The thing with BTTF2 is that it's a movie about McFly fighting a specific villain for that movie, and defeating him, and then a hook for the next film. AtSV can't have either Spot or Miguel be defeated in this movie, and adding a single movie villain would just add flab to the narrative. The better comparator would be to Empire strikes back, where broadly the protagonist loses but manages to escape with a better understanding of their situation. The difference here being that ESB ends with Luke in a position of safety ready for a timeskip and AtSV does not.
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Sure, Luke ends in a position of safety reunited with allies. What about Han?
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He becomes pure art
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Fangz posted:The thing with BTTF2 is that it's a movie about McFly fighting a specific villain for that movie, and defeating him, and then a hook for the next film. AtSV can't have either Spot or Miguel be defeated in this movie, and adding a single movie villain would just add flab to the narrative. Han Solo literally is kidnapped
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Fangz posted:Your point being? Unless you are not counting Han as a protagonist (which he is) the protagonists do not all end the story in a place of safety
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1. I said Luke. 2. There's primary and secondary protagonists, ESB is primarily about Luke's journey. Miles isn't Han Solo. 3. Han is kidnapped but he's also not in imminent danger. He's frozen in carbonite, so we timeskip a year. He's not tied up and seemingly about to be murdered or tortured by a guy right in his face. In fact the movie ends with Luke, and the overall framing is kinda to say "don't worry about Han too much, we want you to view this as a hopeful ending". 4. What the heck are you even arguing. My point is that AtSV is not like BTTF2 and more like ESB. So you're saying AtSV is *even more like* ESB? Just pure pedantry. Fangz fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jun 16, 2023 |
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Honestly I think the ESB comparison is basically perfect yeah One protagonist, Miles and Han, are left in danger under the power of a threat, captured and restrained. The other protagonist, Gwen and Luke, are left on a hopeful note telling the audience that good is coming and things won't stay bad. There were a few points where they probably could have ended it a little earlier and it would have felt less... sudden? End it 20 minutes earlier when Miles succeeds in teleporting out of Nuevo York, or end it 10 minutes earlier with the denouement of the Gwen family stuff, have it end on a shot of Hobie's homemade teleporter or on her going through the portal. The Miles
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At risk of fanning the flames: I think this movie ends on a more traditional "cliffhanger" in that our hero is literally in peril at that last moment. When we pick back up with Beyond, we'll be wondering what happens *seconds* later. Even with Back to the Future II, we kinda know the score: Doc has to help Marty again. There's gonna be old west. Buckle up. With Empire, we kinda know the score: Luke needs to heal, Han is off the board for now (they even give C-3PO a stunningly out of character line to let us know that nothing's going to happen to him in the meantime: "Oh. They've encased him in Carbonite. He should be quite well protected. If he survived the freezing process, that is."). There will be a big battle against Darth Vader and the empire. Buckle up. Here, we can't reasonably have many expectations. We know it's a continuation of this story. We know there's the core of Spider-Men who want to help Miles, and those that do not. There's another Miles. We don't know what his deal is (though, frankly, if it's just a fake-out, I think that'd be pretty cheap). There's just a lot of questions. I'm with those that think that the two parted-ness could have been handled better.
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Why is wanting and not knowing what happens next a bad thing though? Usually I would say that it's a bad cliffhanger if you know exactly how it's gonna resolve, so it's just a fake threat to titillate the audience.
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Jun 16, 2023 17:00
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People don’t like waiting
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Really the closest comparison is the end of Matrix Reloaded. That's certainly the most recent "hard" cliffhanger ending I can think of, and gives a similar "one movie split into two" feeling for various reasons. The big chase scene even has some superficial similarities to the Burly Brawl with all the Agents Smith
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Fangz posted:1. I said Luke. It’s more like Fast X’s ending than either of those movies, it just stops. AtSV was a good movie but the non-ending was trash.
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Fangz posted:What exactly do you propose that they cut, because I can't think of a single thing The opening sequence with Gwen, while one of my favorite parts of the movie, could have been cut or dramatically abbreviated. Same with the Indian New York sequence - which would require some changes to the plot - but I can imagine it easily ( for example change it so it's Miles universe that is threatened by a change in the canon caused by Spot ).
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Captain Jesus posted:The opening sequence with Gwen, while one of my favorite parts of the movie, could have been cut or dramatically abbreviated. Same with the Indian New York sequence - which would require some changes to the plot - but I can imagine it easily ( for example change it so it's Miles universe that is threatened by a change in the canon caused by Spot ). Gwen is the secondary protagonist and the movie ends with her solving her issues with her father that we were introduced to. He'll, by screentime, there's a chance she's on screen more than Miles. In fact, I think that's what people are missing, we get the culmination of the arc the movie starts with. You can't cut that or you kind of lose Gwen's focus and the closure of that arc. ESB is really similar really in that Leia and Han got bumped up in focus to be in the movie practically as much as Luke, and one of the characters ended up in cliffhanger danger and strapped to something and everyone else was in Flux.
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Asterite34 posted:Really the closest comparison is the end of Matrix Reloaded. That's certainly the most recent "hard" cliffhanger ending I can think of, and gives a similar "one movie split into two" feeling for various reasons. The big chase scene even has some superficial similarities to the Burly Brawl with all the Agents Smith Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Man’s Chest is also one.
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Spacebump posted:It’s more like Fast X’s ending than either of those movies, it just stops. AtSV was a good movie but the non-ending was trash. I wouldn't call it trash. It did what a good cliffhanger should do, it left people desperate for more. It's really good at that, in fact. Maybe it's because a lot of serialized writing ends in big cliffhangers and then you have to wait for a year for the payoff, but it didn't bother me at all. It's not standard for movies as a format but it's fine to deviate from standard. Any attempt at paring down the story too much to function as a one movie story seems like it'd just make everything about the movie much worse.
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