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CelticPredator posted:This movie is a canon event 
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Jun 16, 2023 16:41
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Necrothatcher posted:If only there was some substance that could harm Zod. Oh well, guess your world is doomedbye The only Kryptonite was in the possession of Lex/Batman and I don't think either of them told Barry where it was or what it even did at that point.
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Jun 16, 2023 16:42
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I’m curious what WB’s takeaways and wrong lessons will be after this assuming it flops.
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Jun 16, 2023 16:52
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X0xlyfwtkoGatts posted:I’m curious what WB’s takeaways and wrong lessons will be after this assuming it flops.
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Jun 16, 2023 16:57
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Maybe it's a calculated move by Gunn to get rid of some more middle management / people who stick their fingers in the pie - sort of a "I'll release it as you intended, even hype it up, but if it flops (and it will) them I want these guys out." It would have been in the final stages of production when he came on board anyway.
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Jun 16, 2023 17:14
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Goffer posted:Maybe it's a calculated move by Gunn to get rid of some more middle management / people who stick their fingers in the pie - sort of a "I'll release it as you intended, even hype it up, but if it flops (and it will) them I want these guys out." lol this is like Obama doing 12 dimensional chess theorizing
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Jun 16, 2023 17:24
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Fangz posted:Yeah that's what I thought. There's a fair amount of time travel stories that boil down to "time travel is bad, preserve the timeline". (See back to the future , star trek, primer, timecop etc) What on Earth? Back to the Future is not about preserving a timeline. George McFly ends up a cool 80s guy, Doc is saved from being murdered, Marty's kids are kept out of prison, Claire is saved from falling to her death. If you're talking about the "I have to make my parents meet" aspect: that is purely in the first movie and driven by the fact that Marty will cease to exist if they don't, and the fact that their meeting circumstances completely change is barely even noticed by Marty, who doesn't care about changing or preserving anything and is the ultimate pragmatist. Same with "stop Evil Biff" - his dad is murdered and Hill Valley is a dump so he has to stop that. Preserving the "original" Hill Valley isn't even on his radar. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Jun 16, 2023 |
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Jun 16, 2023 17:41
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:What on Earth? Back to the Future is not about preserving a timeline. George McFly ends up a cool 80s guy, Doc is saved from being murdered, Marty's kids are kept out of prison, Claire is saved from falling to her death. If you're talking about the "I have to make my parents meet" aspect: that is purely in the first movie and driven by the fact that Marty will cease to exist if they don't, and the fact that their meeting circumstances completely change is barely even noticed by Marty, who doesn't care about changing or preserving anything and is the ultimate pragmatist. Same with "stop Evil Biff" - his dad is murdered and Hill Valley is a dump so he has to stop that. Preserving the "original" Hill Valley isn't even on his radar. The 1st is about this until the end when Marty's minor changes worked out better for his family and Doc went against his own rules. Outside of the very end, the bulk of the movie was about preserving with an end twist that he made everything better by accident. 2 and 3 then just ran with it after they learned positive lessons from the first and they both became make the timeline better bandits.
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Jun 16, 2023 17:48
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lmao that WB's gotta go through this again when Aquaman 2 comes down the pipe
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Jun 16, 2023 17:49
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Goffer posted:Maybe it's a calculated move by Gunn to get rid of some more middle management / people who stick their fingers in the pie - sort of a "I'll release it as you intended, even hype it up, but if it flops (and it will) them I want these guys out." Straight up I think it was like hey you’re gonna take over this, but we spent an ungodly amount of money on this poo poo so hype it up thanks because we’re your bosses Or maybe he likes Andy muscetti idk. I love the first It so I’m hoping his Batman movie might go back to that, instead of chapter 2 but we’ll seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Jun 16, 2023 18:00
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When did he come on board though?
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Jun 16, 2023 18:12
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CelticPredator posted:Straight up I think it was like hey you’re gonna take over this, but we spent an ungodly amount of money on this poo poo so hype it up thanks because we’re your bosses Yea nobody who works for anything in this kind of capacity is really going to go out of your way to be like "yeah this thing is poo poo", and in fact part of the job is marketing and talking up your product sooooo Occasionally you get someone like Harrison Ford who is both a big enough celebrity and also has a specific reputation so can rattle off the occasional "who gives a poo poo if Yoda can shoot lightning?" or whatever, but even then he's not going out of his way to be honest and forthright about RoS being a stinker
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Jun 16, 2023 18:24
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Even Mark Hamill caught flack from Disney for talking mad poo poo on the sequels. But they won’t shitcan him because he’s like Mr. Star Wars. Someone like Shia on the other hand got dropped hard after he just talked some poo poo about crystal skull and then his life just fell apart after that and he became a badman.
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Jun 16, 2023 18:26
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Darko posted:Zod is the giant issue; without Superman there to inspire the rest of the planet and then break Zods neck, that earth is completely destroyed. There's just no one around that can stop Zod and Faora and Nam Ek and all of the rest of the Kryptonians without the general making Faora horny and distracting her, destroying the army, and Superman destroying the world engine and killing Zod. It's all messed up from the jump. In Man of Steel, it’s Superman activating the old Kryptonian ship that brings Zod to Earth, right? So if Superman isn’t on Earth in this timeline, why does Zod even show up at all? Does Supergirl activate the ship instead or something?
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Jun 16, 2023 18:31
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GazChap posted:I haven’t seen the movie yet, but this paragraph stood out at me. It's like you don't understand spaghetti at all. Spaghetti!
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Jun 16, 2023 18:40
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CelticPredator posted:This movie is a canon event Sounds more like this movie is a Cannon event.
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Jun 16, 2023 18:40
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Oh my god, they had a george reeves cameo as well? https://twitter.com/Lunwi88/status/1669752698835714048?s=20 Necrothatcher posted:All the best superhero movies wrap up with the hero giving up and loving off. Patty Jenkins agrees!
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Jun 16, 2023 18:43
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Darko posted:The 1st is about this until the end when Marty's minor changes worked out better for his family and Doc went against his own rules. Outside of the very end, the bulk of the movie was about preserving with an end twist that he made everything better by accident. Yeah the first movie is pretty much what I'm thinking of. There's small degrees of it in the others. I guess there's kind of a moral that selfish or reckless use of time travel to change stuff is bad? Doc has his time train in the end but presumably he's using it to have fun adventures instead of going back to make an timeline where he is God or something.
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Jun 16, 2023 18:55
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Grendels Dad posted:Sounds more like this movie is a Cannon event. 
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Jun 16, 2023 19:04
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Once you figure out where 'beev' comes from the more the movie makes sense. Actually what would have been better is if the cool word in his universe was 'fetch'. Blackchamber fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jun 16, 2023 |
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Jun 16, 2023 19:06
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McCloud posted:Oh my god, they had a george reeves cameo as well? My father stoutly maintains that George Reeves wasn't "pushed to suicide" but was "killed by the mob."
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Jun 16, 2023 19:14
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Blackchamber posted:It's like you don't understand spaghetti at all. Spaghetti! The plot of Flash all boils down to "mom's spaghetti." Which makes sense. Look. If you had one shot, or one opportunity to seize everything you ever wanted -- one moment -- would you capture it or just let it slip?
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Jun 16, 2023 19:20
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I don’t know about everyone else but I’m sure it’s all fairly mediocre so I can’t wait to watch it when it streams a week after release.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:25
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GazChap posted:I haven’t seen the movie yet, but this paragraph stood out at me. The whole thing doesn't make sense. Barry is clearly younger than Superman, so why would moving a can of tomatoes when he's ~7 (at which point Kal-el would've already been in Smallville) change anything related to whether Kal-el reaches Earth or not? If the whole thing is just jumping timelines shouldn't there be a version out there where his mom lives and Kal-el reaches earth? If Kal-el isn't on Earth then why does Zod show up there or even care about the planet? I get that the conceit is meant to be time travel and Barry loving things up and then learning to accept that he can't just do over everything until he gets his way but they didn't even manage any internal consistency on those things. And the movie likes like poo poo to boot. I do wonder what tracking on box office is looking like right now. Hard to imagine people lining up for this but then again it is a holiday weekend and cape poo poo is a lot of people's idea of entertainment comfort food at this point.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:30
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Maybe when he steals the can of tomatoes he accidentally whips them through time and space and beans Superbaby's spaceship with them
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Jun 16, 2023 19:37
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And wonder woman is like 5000 years old or whatever so where'd she go? Apparently time travel spaghetti is mostly concerned with superheroes and which Hollywood people were in which blockbuster movies whilst the rest of the world remains completely unchanged. Which suggests those things aren't very important, maybe that's subtext. Also, how come Supergirl can punch through an exploding missile but be killed by being stabbed by like a letter opener?
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Jun 16, 2023 19:46
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The timeline doesn't branch in the movie, it fulcrums and the timeline changes backwards as well as forwards. Don't know why that makes Bruce Wayne look different in each tilt and everyone else looks the same, but that's what it claims. So annoying as it is trying to pick apart the logic of why some people and events that shouldn't change in other explanations of time travel are worthless. Either go with the in-universe explanation or let your mind implode.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:51
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GazChap posted:I haven’t seen the movie yet, but this paragraph stood out at me. Yes that's what happens because it shifts who has the Macguffin. And Russia doesn't give her up and the US is like "we have no idea where this alien is" so Zod apparently immediately kills all the brass in MoS in a scene that reminds me of the scene in Mars Attacks! where the Martians just blast everyone meeting them and starts open war on earth.
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Jun 16, 2023 20:07
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Mat Cauthon posted:The whole thing doesn't make sense. Barry is clearly younger than Superman, so why would moving a can of tomatoes when he's ~7 (at which point Kal-el would've already been in Smallville) change anything related to whether Kal-el reaches Earth or not? If the whole thing is just jumping timelines shouldn't there be a version out there where his mom lives and Kal-el reaches earth? If Kal-el isn't on Earth then why does Zod show up there or even care about the planet? Comic book logic. In the comic I think they explain it like ripples in a pond, changing something radiates effects outwards in every direction. The entire point of Flashpoint was to give an in-story reason for rebooting the comics with new continuities and backstories and starting over because the canon was apparently becoming too complicated (even though worrying about canon is the worst way to read a story.) But then nobody liked it so they rebooted again, but this time the in-story reason was Dr Manhattan was screwing with the universe. So look forward to that in movie form in ten years, I guess.
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Jun 16, 2023 20:09
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GazChap posted:In Man of Steel, it’s Superman activating the old Kryptonian ship that brings Zod to Earth, right? They never say. Here's the sequence of events: Superman zaps his way to the ship. Superman enters the ship. Superman places the key into the ship. Lois gets to the ship and starts taking pictures of a security drone. Drone activates, Superman crushes it, etc. To me, the only logical two answers are "Superman enters the ship" or "Drone activates". Either way, it's inevitable that the ship was going to activate when someone went poking around, and the humans had already discovered it and would have, eventually, tunneled to it. This still makes no sense in the Flash movie.
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Jun 16, 2023 20:12
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Also, how come Supergirl can punch through an exploding missile but be killed by being stabbed by like a letter opener? The letter opener is Kryptonian. Same reason why Young Barry starting letting himself get stabbed by Kryptonian junk, because he actually managed to kill one with the blade in his arm.
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Jun 16, 2023 20:18
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:They never say. Here's the sequence of events: In the new timeline they capture Superman's pod and are able to use its guidance information to determine Kara's destination since they were headed to the same place and they headed for earth.
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Jun 16, 2023 20:21
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Pirate Jet posted:The letter opener is Kryptonian. Same reason why Young Barry starting letting himself get stabbed by Kryptonian junk, because he actually managed to kill one with the blade in his arm. Except! While they should be normal on Krypton, the Earth’s sun should make them super powered and even more resistant to kryptonian knives otherwise they’d have already been invulnerable on Krypton on the same scale. Kryptonite is irradiated so it’s special.
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Jun 16, 2023 20:30
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Pirate Jet posted:The letter opener is Kryptonian. Same reason why Young Barry starting letting himself get stabbed by Kryptonian junk, because he actually managed to kill one with the blade in his arm. So by this logic all the Barrys had to do was pick up a bunch of Kryptonian scrap from the battlefield and run around stabbing the other Kryptonians who can't react as quickly? Or go back in time with a bunch of it and let Bruce make weapons out of it? Or, if they can't take stuff back in time that isn't attached to them/embedded in their body, just salvage Kara's space pod from the Russian facility and turn it into an anti-Kryptonian missle?
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Jun 16, 2023 20:38
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Mat Cauthon posted:So by this logic all the Barrys had to do was pick up a bunch of Kryptonian scrap from the battlefield and run around stabbing the other Kryptonians who can't react as quickly? Or go back in time with a bunch of it and let Bruce make weapons out of it? Or, if they can't take stuff back in time that isn't attached to them/embedded in their body, just salvage Kara's space pod from the Russian facility and turn it into an anti-Kryptonian missle? I mean I don’t know, maybe, kind of right after OG Barry does the “we have to let it go” spiel and then Dark Flash comes in and the sequence wraps up. It’s not a good movie!
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Jun 16, 2023 20:41
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Mat Cauthon posted:So by this logic all the Barrys had to do was pick up a bunch of Kryptonian scrap from the battlefield and run around stabbing the other Kryptonians who can't react as quickly? Or go back in time with a bunch of it and let Bruce make weapons out of it? Or, if they can't take stuff back in time that isn't attached to them/embedded in their body, just salvage Kara's space pod from the Russian facility and turn it into an anti-Kryptonian missle? Nope. Because there are some events that always happen no matter how you change things. Which was the point and why Barry 'fixes' things.
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Jun 16, 2023 20:43
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The problem with telling any story with the Flash is that time travel stories are messy. Multiverse stories are equally messy. As soon as you try to do multiverse stories with time travel, everything rapidly falls apart under the slightest hint of scrutiny.
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Jun 16, 2023 20:50
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Maybe it’s just a bad movie with subpar writing and thought put into it
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Jun 16, 2023 20:58
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That it is. But it also got my favorite childhood Batman to put on the costume and say the lines I like.
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Gatts posted:Maybe it’s just a bad movie with subpar writing and thought put into it It is but people are trying to point out plotholes strictly from what they've hears. Some things are stupid, some things operate on weird in movie logic that is explained but doesn't make sense , and some things are explained in the movie and are fine. It's a highly mediocre and often ugly movie, basically.
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