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Why in the world did Newsom paint himself into a corner by promising a black woman would fill the vacancy? What an unforced restraint.
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Performative allyship but I'm fine if it gets another black woman into the senate. But LOL that the dem bench of black women is shallow apparently, that's their own fault.
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Jun 17, 2023 02:18
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Barbara Lee absolutely deserves it but she's probably too progressive for what Newsom wants
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Jun 17, 2023 02:21
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Jaxyon posted:Performative allyship but I'm fine if it gets another black woman into the senate. I don’t mind a black woman getting the seat I’m just not sure what prompted him to make such a promise. He hasn’t had a real electoral threat in a while. I like Newsom as governor but he needs to speak, like 10% less than he does.
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Jun 17, 2023 02:22
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Why in the world did Newsom paint himself into a corner by promising a black woman would fill the vacancy? What an unforced restraint. Because when Newsom had to replace Harris as senator he chose a Hispanic male, instead of a Black woman, and then vowed that if he were to appoint someone else it'd be a Black woman. Look at this through the prism of idpol instead of policy & it makes sense in that context, even though he's now backed himself into a corner & the only Black woman who's an obvious choice is too left for the CA Dems to give a leg up in the 2024 race. Hence the hoisted petard.
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Jun 17, 2023 02:37
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I AM GRANDO posted:Do right-to-work laws do something other than forbid agency fees? Yes, they do something other than forbid agency fees in the public sector. Right-to-work laws also apply in the private sector.
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Jun 17, 2023 02:40
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Why in the world did Newsom paint himself into a corner by promising a black woman would fill the vacancy? What an unforced restraint. Worse than that, it sends the message that whoever he ends up appointing only got the appointment because of her gender and race. Like yes, it's absolutely important to get more representation for minority groups in Congress, but if you're going to do it you should just do it instead of saying you're going to do it.
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Jun 17, 2023 02:54
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Willa Rogers posted:Because when Newsom had to replace Harris as senator he chose a Hispanic male, instead of a Black woman, and then vowed that if he were to appoint someone else it'd be a Black woman. The only problem is Nancy wants Schiff. If she wanted Barbara, he'd pick her. It's all about Nancy's influence.
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Jun 17, 2023 03:01
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Charlz Guybon posted:The only problem is Nancy wants Schiff. If she wanted Barbara, he'd pick her. It's all about Nancy's influence. Yep 
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Jun 17, 2023 03:05
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Fister Roboto posted:Worse than that, it sends the message that whoever he ends up appointing only got the appointment because of her gender and race. Like yes, it's absolutely important to get more representation for minority groups in Congress, but if you're going to do it you should just do it instead of saying you're going to do it. I don't think this is really a problem. Biden made a similar promise for Breyer's replacement and the only people I've seen saying Ketanji Brown Jackson got the job because of her gender and race are right wing media figures who would be saying that regardless.
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Jun 17, 2023 03:30
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Fister Roboto posted:Worse than that, it sends the message that whoever he ends up appointing only got the appointment because of her gender and race. Like yes, it's absolutely important to get more representation for minority groups in Congress, but if you're going to do it you should just do it instead of saying you're going to do it. I'm not sure I would go so far as to say that, but I do agree that it was kind of a dumb thing to "announce" it. Actions speak louder than words and all that.
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Jun 17, 2023 03:39
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James Garfield posted:I don't think this is really a problem. Biden made a similar promise for Breyer's replacement and the only people I've seen saying Ketanji Brown Jackson got the job because of her gender and race are right wing media figures who would be saying that regardless. It probably is fine - I don't know if there are any black women here, but it really depends on how they feel about it, because that's who the declarations are aimed at. They are the beating heart of the Democratic party, and a very engaged voting bloc because nobody experiences the country's problems more acutely. I googled a bit, here's some polling information from the time of the SCOTUS nomination: AP posted:WASHINGTON (AP) — Americans are starkly divided by race on the importance of President Joe Biden’s promise to nominate a Black woman to the Supreme Court, with white Americans far less likely to be highly enthusiastic about the idea than Black Americans — and especially Black women. Here's another thing I found, about the VP selection at a point when it was a bit up in the air. I don't know much about the source, but it quotes some notable people with perspective: Black Women Insist That Biden Write Us Into History Obviously the same people would be happy if a non-pre-announced black Justice or VP were chosen, but it seems like many people did appreciate Biden saying it was a key part of his choice. I don't think anybody (who isn't terrible) holds it against Jackson. Anybody who pays enough attention to SCOTUS to even remember who she was a month after she was confirmed understands nominations enough to know that there's no "best candidate;" at any given time there's a few dozen equally-super-qualified people and you pick one for whatever drat old reason you want, and it might as well be to represent a demographic that's never been on the court and who put you in office in Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit and Milwaukee. And as for why Biden ultimately made that pledge, I saw that there was allegedly lot of pressure on him to make it to get the endorsement of one Mr. James Clyburn, who is often cited as being almost singularly responsible for Biden winning the primary. Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Jun 17, 2023 |
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Jun 17, 2023 04:09
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On the one hand it gave us Harris, a rather mediocre politician, otoh it gave us Jackson, the best justice.
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Jun 17, 2023 04:19
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I get it for Biden since he was in a race that could go either way. I just don’t get why Newsom ever felt the need to announce it. Just do it.
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Jun 17, 2023 04:27
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Wasn't he facing a recall at the time?
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Jun 17, 2023 04:32
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koolkal posted:Wasn't he facing a recall at the time? I think that was when he said it so that was probably the reason. He dominated that waste of time recall but if he was worried I guess it made sense.
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Jun 17, 2023 04:36
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I think that was when he said it so that was probably the reason. He dominated that waste of time recall but if he was worried I guess it made sense. There was some very weird polling around that time, IIRC, in part because it was one of the first big elections after the 2020 general and everyone was still trying to figure out how broken the entire science of polling was.
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Jun 17, 2023 04:47
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He also obviously wants to run for president someday, so he’s trying to check enough boxes to make himself the most politically viable. Like a political robot going through the motions. But it gives us decent things I guess, so go Gav-Bot3000
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Jun 17, 2023 06:19
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Mellow Seas posted:Pelosi and Feinstein are on the way out, Schiff and Porter are ascendent, and even Mayor Newsom himself is about to betray the Bay and appoint the head Angelino to the Senate. Norcal is getting its rear end kicked. It's simply because Feinstein and Pelosi are incredibly unpopular in the bay area excluding the SF electorate democratic baby boomer people. Even Newsom sees this a mile away --- bay area folks want Newsom's candidate to be in Senate, not Schiff.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:He also obviously wants to run for president someday, so he’s trying to check enough boxes to make himself the most politically viable. Like a political robot going through the motions. My feelings to a T
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Jun 17, 2023 08:00
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Newsom really feels like a dem version of desantis. prominent in his own state but lacking some important kind of charisma and just really hard to get excited over
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Jun 17, 2023 08:13
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ntan1 posted:It's simply because Feinstein and Pelosi are incredibly unpopular in the bay area excluding the SF electorate democratic baby boomer people. Even Newsom sees this a mile away --- bay area folks want Newsom's candidate to be in Senate, not Schiff. I do wonder how loyal boomer democrats are. Are they one insufficiently polite young person away from going full chud or will they indeed vote blue no matter who?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I do wonder how loyal boomer democrats are. Are they one insufficiently polite young person away from going full chud or will they indeed vote blue no matter who? Probably depends on how comfortable they are. As long as they can be convinced that the Bad Things might also happen to them and not just young people, then they can be feared into keeping their ballot blue.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I do wonder how loyal boomer democrats are. Are they one insufficiently polite young person away from going full chud or will they indeed vote blue no matter who? Polling suggests that while the "socially liberal, economically conservative" voters everyone chases don't exist in real numbers, the reverse is an untapped market. But I haven't seen much of an age breakdown. There are certainly old voters in both parties that could be swung by socialism for white people, but there are plenty of young ones that would just need the right phrasing too. Fortunately that would fracture the current Republican coalition enough that the most you get is Trump flirting with populist language just enough that the more gullible think he really is gonna outflank the dems from the left this time.
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Lib and let die posted:Sorry, but union issues are something very important to me - union membership amongst my family has gone back multiple generations from myself, to both of my parents, to my paternal uncle, and my maternal great-uncle - from steelworkers, to machinists, to county municipal employees - they've fought, they've picketed, they've even put their own lives on the lines to protect the gains made by the labor movement - often for its basic right to exist at all! For someone to come in and sweep all that complex, centuries-old history of labor organizing and violence against those organizers aside with "well the company requires it"...that hits a vein. That’s all good and all but for the future when people ask questions they typically want answers. You can leave emotions out of your response. E: I’m responding directly to a poster. I’m not posting about posters. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Jun 17, 2023 |
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Jun 17, 2023 11:56
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ntan1 posted:It's simply because Feinstein and Pelosi are incredibly unpopular in the bay area excluding the SF electorate democratic baby boomer people. Even Newsom sees this a mile away --- bay area folks want Newsom's candidate to be in Senate, not Schiff. This is ridiculous wishcasting. Pelosi has gotten around 75% of the vote during the past couple of jungle primaries.
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ntan1 posted:It's simply because Feinstein and Pelosi are incredibly unpopular in the bay area excluding the SF electorate democratic baby boomer people. Even Newsom sees this a mile away --- bay area folks want Newsom's candidate to be in Senate, not Schiff.
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Jun 17, 2023 18:43
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Newsom really feels like a dem version of desantis. prominent in his own state but lacking some important kind of charisma and just really hard to get excited over I remember seeing Newsom speak for the first time at the 2016 dem convention and thinking, my god how is this guy not voiced by Phil Hartman
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Jun 17, 2023 20:02
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Newsom really feels like a dem version of desantis. prominent in his own state but lacking some important kind of charisma and just really hard to get excited over Does he push any hard left social policies in Cali the way Ron pushes hard right policies in Florida?
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Jun 17, 2023 20:10
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Blind Pineapple posted:Does he push any hard left social policies in Cali the way Ron pushes hard right policies in Florida? The American version of “hard left” which is kind of the global version of “centrist” yeah. He pushed for CA to build its own insulin plant to drive down costs which is already working. We’re one of the best places in the US to be LGBTQ+ and he’s done things like stopping doing business with pharmacy’s that pull abortion drugs in other states. Some of those things are more performative than effective but he’s painted himself as the standard bearer of the American left on social issues. Economically he’s closer to the American middle (global right) than most realize.
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Blind Pineapple posted:Does he push any hard left social policies in Cali the way Ron pushes hard right policies in Florida? No, in fact he vetos them for no reason.
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Jun 17, 2023 20:20
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Yeah didn’t he kill several progressive initiatives?
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yeah didn’t he kill several progressive initiatives? Many! For example, his response to a bill attempting to raise the already slave labor level wages of incarcerated workers was "unfortunately we can't afford to not abuse people" https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/SB-1371-VETO.pdf?emrc=bdd649
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:The American version of “hard left” which is kind of the global version of “centrist” yeah. I don't mean to pick on you here but I think this is such an interesting phrase. As a European with a keen interest in American politics, I feel like this just hasn't really made sense for a long while. The current Democratic Party is really not all that different from any of the big European center left parties like Labour (UK), SPD (DE), or the Scandinavian parties. Looking at the left wing wave in South America I also don't see anyone actually enacting any policies anywhere near as progressive as what progressives/lefties on forums like this are looking for.
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Jun 17, 2023 21:39
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sweek0 posted:I don't mean to pick on you here but I think this is such an interesting phrase. As a European with a keen interest in American politics, I feel like this just hasn't really made sense for a long while. The current Democratic Party is really not all that different from any of the big European center left parties like Labour (UK), SPD (DE), or the Scandinavian parties. Looking at the left wing wave in South America I also don't see anyone actually enacting any policies anywhere near as progressive as what progressives/lefties on forums like this are looking for. It's a regular companion piece to "Democrats keep moving right to meet Republicans" that was arguably true once when a lot of online people on the left first were thinking about politics, but just never stopped being said even when it wasn't. Like a miniature version of the right wing arguments that US private health care might be really expensive but it's better quality and shorter waits then Canada or Europe.
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Jun 17, 2023 22:01
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sweek0 posted:I don't mean to pick on you here but I think this is such an interesting phrase. As a European with a keen interest in American politics, I feel like this just hasn't really made sense for a long while. The current Democratic Party is really not all that different from any of the big European center left parties like Labour (UK), SPD (DE), or the Scandinavian parties. Looking at the left wing wave in South America I also don't see anyone actually enacting any policies anywhere near as progressive as what progressives/lefties on forums like this are looking for. Shhhhhhhh you can’t say that here. It’s a matter of orthodoxy that the Democrats are Right Wing in Europe. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I mean, considering we have the least progressive healthcare system of any industrialized nation and democrats didn't do jack poo poo to fix it during the 2 years they had control over our government, the argument isn't without merit
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Ogmius815 posted:Shhhhhhhh you can’t say that here. It’s a matter of orthodoxy that the Democrats are Right Wing in Europe. I get it though. Dems are awesome! We love them! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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sweek0 posted:I don't mean to pick on you here but I think this is such an interesting phrase. As a European with a keen interest in American politics, I feel like this just hasn't really made sense for a long while. The current Democratic Party is really not all that different from any of the big European center left parties like Labour (UK), SPD (DE), or the Scandinavian parties. Looking at the left wing wave in South America I also don't see anyone actually enacting any policies anywhere near as progressive as what progressives/lefties on forums like this are looking for. The opinion of the people on this forum aren't a representation of American politics and the fact thatyour evidence doesn't consist of anything more than that would indicate your interest in American politics isn't that keen. Any of the parties you mentioned have national policy noticeably to the left of Democrats. Would you like to bring up specific issus that are actually the platform, or just "posters here are pretty lefty"
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