|
Stubear St. Pierre posted:Yahoo would own the entire internet if they hadn't been so grossly incompetent Now it's Alphabet and Microsoft. Lusty Grundles posted:I think my last message has misled one or two people. For me , hierarchical/indented comments are better. I have my own preferences as you do, and I'm not sure either of us are wrong. I see it as a preference from my point of view, because it arranges all these micro-discussions within threads into neat sections. The benefits of that I'd see in so many threads I've participated in just this evening - one top-level comment per 'post' in the /r/relationships thread, and all of the chat about it happening underneath. The direction of the theme changing every few comments in the UK thread, too - I've found myself going back pages and pages in the past, to find the origin of a set of comments that one guy quoted. Individual scenarios would help me out too, like if I get to a thread thousands of comments in and genuinely have no clue what in the horse tits is going on. Also, it's kinda ironic that you say it's misled multiple people, since by that very phrasing you're saying that more people saw the comment because of the lack of threading, since your post was a reply to another post. Policing comment quality isn't going to be possible on any platform that doesn't have a not-insignificant barrier to entry, much like SA.
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:40
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 11, 2024 15:42 |
|
|
Then it creates the sort of content that sits firmly within reddits' wheelhouse. Tired, unfunny comments that become low-hanging fruit and don't offer any sort of quality but are repeated forever. It becomes a race to the bottom to see who can meme first. "I also choose this guy's dead wife"
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:43
|
|
|
i too, am gay
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:43
|
|
|
Not much, what happened to reddit with you?
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:43
|
|
|
the holy poopacy posted:Hahaha, no. The upvote system frequently means that the best answers are buried beneath the earliest and snappiest answers. It's very bad at identifying the best and most useful comments. True, best is definitely subjective, and depends on the community. That’s what the experience is aiming for though. It’s just a fundamentally different set up than threads of posts like in SA. Who the gently caress knows whether someone said something really helpful on page 500 of a 1000 word thread. That answer is very, very hard to find.
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:44
|
|
|
RC Cola posted:Welcome back old goons and welcome refugees of reddit and Twitter boo hiss I need my news aggregator fix
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:49
|
|
|
I did forget how much I enjoyed shitposting on forums _I guess_
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:50
|
|
|
feverish and oversexed posted:boo hiss I need my news aggregator fix apple news subscription?
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:50
|
|
|
Bad Purchase posted:apple news subscription? I'm old and I use android
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:51
|
|
|
Awkward Davies posted:True, best is definitely subjective, and depends on the community. That’s what the experience is aiming for though. It’s just a fundamentally different set up than threads of posts like in SA. Who the gently caress knows whether someone said something really helpful on page 500 of a 1000 word thread. That answer is very, very hard to find. collective memory is good for that. the same question has been answered 50 times over the past ten years, someone in the thread knows the answer and will post it eventually. the answer stays current too because it gets argued a little every time it comes up. the retrogames thread is a good example of that, so is the sardine thread
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:52
|
|
|
feverish and oversexed posted:boo hiss I need my news aggregator fix I have two suggestions 1: become intensely interested in firearm law and legislation and hang around tfr 2: post a thread for making fake rss feeds in byob
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:55
|
|
|
You can  a question in a thread rather than trying to read 1000 pages
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:56
|
|
|
Lusty Grundles posted:Then it creates the sort of content that sits firmly within reddits' wheelhouse. Tired, unfunny comments that become low-hanging fruit and don't offer any sort of quality but are repeated forever. It becomes a race to the bottom to see who can meme first. I might be an old fart on the internet (I feel like I've earned the gray in my beard, since I've been running a real Unix-like for almost a quarter of a century), but even after Eternal September, the thing the internet was good for was getting people communicating. It might've gotten all the weirdos and nerds communicating, but at least it got people communicating. Even after a lot of the other folks found their way here, it was still about communication. Corporations, especially now that they've gone multi-national and are nigh-unapproachable) have been trying to make a quick buck off the internet ever since BBN tried pushing a unoptimized and slower version of TCP/IP because it was written by them, but that doesn't mean we should give in.
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:56
|
|
|
Weird reddit mods desperate to cling on to whatever little power they have would rather reopen subs than be removed lmbo
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:56
|
|
|
BlankSystemDaemon posted:I don't understand how micro-discussions, which I take to mean that there's effectively a limit on the amount of context that can be held in a comment at any given time, is supposed to be a good thing. It doesn't necessarily have to be ironic. If there's ever a concern about your comment getting buried in too much context, you sort of have to accept that at a certain point, you're now just within a niche and hardly anyone are going to read your replies. There's a fantastic example of that, I don't remember where it was (it was one of those "what secret would ruin your life if it came out" threads) and a guy said he wanted to kill himself but hasn't because of his wife and baby. Everyone was really concerned, and it became this long set of update edits over the course of years and years that a lot of folks were still following and commenting on. This was long after that thread was filtered out by the algorithm, I thought it was really sweet and it ended up being a really nice way of working with the structure rather than against it. quote:I can only repeat what I said before, I don't understand how this is supposed to be a good thing.
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:57
|
|
|
meat police posted:Weird reddit mods desperate to cling on to whatever little power they have would rather reopen subs than be removed lmbo antiwork had an unsurprisingly maggotlike reopening statement
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:58
|
|
|
Just read the Wired article and I’m left confused why redditors are so upset. Are the moderators rebelling because Apollo had tools not available in the main app? That seems like an easy fix of Reddit just copying that functionality, which I thought the ceo said they’d do in the verge interview?
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:59
|
|
|
fez_machine posted:You can I really think this is just too social for most of us
|
|
#
?
Jun 17, 2023 23:59
|
|
|
Lusty Grundles posted:The type of thread dictates that, I suppose. Rat made a comment in the UK thread earlier about being tempted to get fish and chips for dinner. Sits on its own, starts its own discussion that trails off, doesn't need any fluff around it. Potentially the best use case for it is when you've got a 'general' thread that can have thousands and thousands of different discussions in them. I don't know man, I just like related stuff in folders with different colours. I like comments that are all related to be in one neat little section that I can collapse. It's OK that our noggins fundamentally work differently. As for your comment, and somehow this is very apropos of what we were posting about before, about Rat (not sure who, seems like there's multiple people who could have that diminutive version of their username), there's nothing about the way SA is made that prevents you from quoting across threads to maintain context. I don't think any of what you've said comes about because of the conversations being indenting threaded, it comes about in spite of it. What I mean is, nothing about this or the previous examples have anything to do with comments being like that, it's about people communicating. And again, I'm not sure we could've had these multiple conversations on Reddit (similar to how we couldn't have had them on Twitter either, because of the character limit). Micro-discussions and micro-blogging are effectively of the same generic type in so far as it's impossible to do anything more on those platforms, but it's very easy to do that type of stuff on platforms not designed for it (see the post five words thread in GBS, or entire subforums with different posting styles ie. how weird twitter evolved from FYAD-like posting). There's also a degree to which indented threaded comments makes it hard to get into a thread that's already established, so unless you spend a lot of time deep in a particular subreddit, you can miss entire conversations. A thread on SA is a lot easier to skim-read if you're trying to catch-up. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Jun 18, 2023 |
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:09
|
|
|
The Voice of Labor posted:antiwork had an unsurprisingly maggotlike reopening statement antiwork mods desperate to continue working, for free
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:09
|
|
|
Haptical Sales Slut posted:Just read the Wired article and I’m left confused why redditors are so upset. Real answer: The site has sucked for a long time and people with a clue are agitating everyone to leave because it’s clearly going to get shittier and shittier.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:14
|
|
|
Haptical Sales Slut posted:Just read the Wired article and I’m left confused why redditors are so upset. Reddit have shown over the years that they do not give a gently caress. They want a big pay day.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:17
|
|
|
BlankSystemDaemon posted:I dunno, things can get too general - many megathreads here on SA have kinda had the effect that lots of people browse the forums exclusively via bookmarks, rather than going into individual subforums. That's not really a good thing, in the opinions of most people I've seen talk about it (which I agree with, just to be clear; and it's incidentally how I found this thread, because I went into GBS as I was bored). Example in this discussion: I could have absolutely no horse in the race about thread structure, but be mega passionate about the utility of downvotes. It could be the most important thing in the world. Now I need to scour those comments I'm not interested in, to see if someone mentioned something relevant to what I want to see. I appreciate that being in the hierarchical thing doesn't let you really contribute multiple things at once about different subjects, but I think that's the point. You post multiple times, about each individual thing separately lest it becomes this absolute jumbled mess that defeats the object. BlankSystemDaemon posted:I don't think any of what you've said comes about because of the conversations being indenting threaded, it comes about in spite of it. BlankSystemDaemon posted:And again, I'm not sure we could've had these multiple conversations on Reddit (similar to how we couldn't have had them on Twitter either, because of the character limit). Micro-discussions and micro-blogging are effectively of the same generic type in so far as it's impossible to do anything more on those platforms, but it's very easy to do that type of stuff on platforms not designed for it (see the post five words thread in GBS, or entire subforums with different posting styles). The $10 fee was mentioned before in how it related to policing, and I like that it was established as a thing. Sites like Twitter and Reddit having no barrier to entry at all, isn't a good thing. I don't think you even need a valid email address nowadays, but I may potentially be wrong on that.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:20
|
|
|
BlankSystemDaemon posted:I dunno, things can get too general - many megathreads here on SA have kinda had the effect that lots of people browse the forums exclusively via bookmarks, rather than going into individual subforums. easily fixed by having a:) a front page and b:) having the hot new threads sidebar push new threads in subs outside of gbs
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:21
|
|
|
just kind of falling through SA and can’t quite get the rhyme or reason yet but it’s better than a chinese state owned data harvester and you probably have at least one administrator who isn’t a nonce
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:32
|
|
|
/r/Piracy being forced to re-open is hilarious.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:33
|
|
|
reddit sucks rear end guys
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:34
|
|
|
The best alternative to reddit style nested posting other than SA's megathread bloat is actually very modern forums software. And I mean stuff like Xenforo. Something Awful is built on very old thread software that doesn't have some modern amenities that were created to deal with issues like megathread bloat. Xenforo all sorts of useful gimmicks like mod-and-OP editable threadmarks that everyone can see at the top of a thread. It allows important/funny posts and such to be made easily accessible even after the thread has ballooned in size. The ability to go to past big effortposts or announcements to see the general reactions and thread culture is so valuable.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:38
|
|
|
Crystal Thenis posted:just kind of falling through SA and can’t quite get the rhyme or reason yet I think there isn't any start reading this thread tho: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3875815&pagenumber=1 the trick I found is to slowly read it and let the bookmark draw you back occasionally. I have not hosed this up by accidentally clicking to the last page yet.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:38
|
|
|
Crystal Thenis posted:just kind of falling through SA and can’t quite get the rhyme or reason yet Might be worth hunting down some of the classic threads to get a feeling of the cadence. Honestly I don’t think things have changed much around here since the days of P-p-p-PowerBook, the creation of Slenderman etc.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:38
|
|
|
Bass.exe posted:The best alternative to reddit style nested posting other than SA's megathread bloat is actually very modern forums software. And I mean stuff like Xenforo. Something Awful is built on very old thread software that doesn't have some modern amenities that were created to deal with issues like megathread bloat. UncleBlazer posted:Might be worth hunting down some of the classic threads to get a feeling of the cadence. Honestly I don’t think things have changed much around here since the days of P-p-p-PowerBook, the creation of Slenderman etc. EDIT: The OP for the current sagas thread has a bunch of good links. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Jun 18, 2023 |
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:39
|
|
|
Bass.exe posted:
humble decades old forums software also has this feature, it's when stuff gets added to the op
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:43
|
|
|
What appeal does Reddit have in an IPO, anyway? They have failed year after year to demonstrate they can make a profit. 3rd party apps were, by their own admission, too minor to matter to their revenue stream. What’s changing?
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:50
|
|
|
The Voice of Labor posted:humble decades old forums software also has this feature, it's when stuff gets added to the op You have to keep flipping back to the first post, with your method. Threadmarks is like a miniature OP always in a dropdown box right above the first post in a page and below the last post in a page. Its a collection of named links to posts.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:52
|
|
|
Tiny Timbs posted:What appeal does Reddit have in an IPO, anyway? They have failed year after year to demonstrate they can make a profit. 3rd party apps were, by their own admission, too minor to matter to their revenue stream. What’s changing? Huffman saw what Musk did to twitter and his brain worms agreed this was a good idea according to the interviews he just did
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:52
|
|
|
Bass.exe posted:You have to keep flipping back to the first post, with your method. Astral might be busier than a one-legged person in an rear end-kicking contest, but he's also open to feedback and generally very responsive.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:53
|
|
|
Tiny Timbs posted:What appeal does Reddit have in an IPO, anyway? They have failed year after year to demonstrate they can make a profit. 3rd party apps were, by their own admission, too minor to matter to their revenue stream. What’s changing? twitter blazed the trail here, you IPO and then flounder about for several years until an aging right wing billionaire decides to buy a media company for twice what it's worth where they can post hate speech without being banned there have gotta be more elons out there. what about the oracle guy, or real-life vampire peter thiel?
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:54
|
|
|
p sure that if harlan ellison had wanted a social media company, he would've made his own or bought one a long time ago. like, compuserve long ago
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:56
|
|
|
Tiny Timbs posted:What appeal does Reddit have in an IPO, anyway? They have failed year after year to demonstrate they can make a profit. 3rd party apps were, by their own admission, too minor to matter to their revenue stream. What’s changing? Esposure and general usage. Millions use it everyday and they can push lots of ads across that platform. The thinking is by killing old Reddit and 3rd party apps it's forced everyone into their specific app which then can throw ads around and make more money. I think a big chunk of the user base views via the app too, so by only having the ad enabled app be theirs and only theirs it helps push through more ads. Short of people running piholes it will let Reddit shove apps and sponsored post poo poo everywhere just like the other social media platforms. Also cause they want to cash out before it crashes and burns like every other media platform. Efb
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:58
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 11, 2024 15:42 |
|
|
The Voice of Labor posted:p sure that if harlan ellison had wanted a social media company, he would've made his own or bought one a long time ago. like, compuserve long ago The thing that's really scary about Larry Ellison is that he's one of the most evil people around, and he's been called that to his face and doesn't mind it at all. He's so evil, he's spent billions on anti-aging research, up to and including blood-transfusions from young people, and backing Theranos. He's pretty much as close to being a modern-day vampire as it's possible to be. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jun 18, 2023 |
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2023 00:58
|
|