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I didn't have any trouble getting magic bursts with A controls, it buffers attack inputs so I just timed hitting the magic button for when the last attack in a string actually landed, not when I pressed the button.
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Yeah the default control scheme seems almost perfectly designed to make magic bursting as hard as possible. As soon as you don't have to do both actions with the same thumb the timing gets a lot easier.
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Begemot posted:I didn't have any trouble getting magic bursts with A controls, it buffers attack inputs so I just timed hitting the magic button for when the last attack in a string actually landed, not when I pressed the button. The timing isn't hard so much as "having to move your thumb around that much/quickly." Control Scheme A also makes stuff like "Charging magic while you do sword attacks" (or vice versa) extremely impractical.
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Ytlaya posted:The timing isn't hard so much as "having to move your thumb around that much/quickly." Oh yeah lmao, I did not even know that was a thing. Maybe I will try one of those other control schemes....
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https://twitter.com/nightskyprince_/status/1670137396325761025
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I’ve always thought Final fantasy games have extremely high quality English voice acting, especially compared to some other Japanese franchises
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Honestly the “worst” dub, put in context with what SE had to work with at the time, is probably XIII. And even that was still decent.
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FF16's dub is excellent and I genuinely can't imagine thinking it is bad unless you are predisposed to assume any English dub is bad.
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Is English a dub when it's the media's principal language?
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JBP posted:Is English a dub when it's the media's principal language? There's some debate but FFXVI was written and developed in Japan so I think it's fair to say even if it was intended for international release (even primarily for international release ala the lip syncing), it's still a Japanese product being translated for an English audience. Regardless it isn't like 'dub' is a bad word.
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If the face movement was designed around English, then imo English is the main language and Japanese is the dub.
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Isn't multilingual lip sync in games basically a solved problem? A bit pricey, but doable?
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Why are you so certain that the English lip syncing is because its meant for an international audience rather than an artistic choice?
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Bongo Bill posted:Isn't multilingual lip sync in games basically a solved problem? A bit pricey, but doable? It depends on the game and how it is produced. It's a lot easier for some games than others.
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The lip sync for different languages can be a massive storage data sink, especially for anything pre-rendered.
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Begemot posted:Oh yeah lmao, I did not even know that was a thing. Maybe I will try one of those other control schemes.... The way you can buffer inputs in combat is soooo fun, watching your sword start flaming up as you're still doing other actions looks cool as hell, I love it
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SirSamVimes posted:Why are you so certain that the English lip syncing is because its meant for an international audience rather than an artistic choice? The Japanese and English scripts are different enough it seems unlikely to be an artistic choice rather than just translation. Papercut posted:The way you can buffer inputs in combat is soooo fun, watching your sword start flaming up as you're still doing other actions looks cool as hell, I love it To add to this you can buffer pretty much anything as long as an animation is going on. If you have Windup attached to a button you can just hold that button down while Clive is doing another attack and it will automatically shift into Windup. Makes it a lot easier to avoid messing up timed stuff.
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Bongo Bill posted:Isn't multilingual lip sync in games basically a solved problem? A bit pricey, but doable? Ghost of Tsushima used AI generated lip sync for the Japanese dub and it was pretty awful, so maybe not
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Honestly I was pretty frustrated with the challenge dungeon boss. I got her almost down but she'd whittled me down too since I didn't know any of the dodge timings for her attacks or when it was unsafe to make attacks of my own, and ultimately got killed when she was at around 10%. On continue she was at 25% health and I was topped off with all my healing items back. Like, that felt kind of insulting and made the win feel unearned. I'd kind of rather they just made me redo the fight from the top. At the same time I didn't want to re-run the entire dungeon again to get back there, I dunno. There was also no explanation for what Torgal's abilities actually do (the heal seemed to be a tiny amount on a very long delay?) and while Limit Break has a lock and is listed as unlearned in the ability page, it still very much works in the demo.
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Thundarr posted:Honestly I was pretty frustrated with the challenge dungeon boss. I got her almost down but she'd whittled me down too since I didn't know any of the dodge timings for her attacks or when it was unsafe to make attacks of my own, and ultimately got killed when she was at around 10%. On continue she was at 25% health and I was topped off with all my healing items back. Like, that felt kind of insulting and made the win feel unearned. I'd kind of rather they just made me redo the fight from the top. At the same time I didn't want to re-run the entire dungeon again to get back there, I dunno. Torgal's Sic is an attack. It can be used mid-combo with timing (similar to Magic Burst) for extra damage or used after you knock an enemy away for a chase attack that does extra damage. Torgal's Heal adds a slow regen effect that only works on your recoverable HP (the faded green part of your HP bar.) Torgal's Ravage is a knock-up that launches enemies into the air.
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This reminds me of an ancient post I read somewhere about somebody preferring the Japanese language files for Skyrim. 
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Agents are GO! posted:This reminds me of an ancient post I read somewhere about somebody preferring the Japanese language files for Skyrim. To be fair I can't imagine it's much worse than the English voice acting.
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Bongo Bill posted:Isn't multilingual lip sync in games basically a solved problem? A bit pricey, but doable? RatHat posted:Ghost of Tsushima used AI generated lip sync for the Japanese dub and it was pretty awful, so maybe not
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ImpAtom posted:There's some debate but FFXVI was written and developed in Japan so I think it's fair to say even if it was intended for international release (even primarily for international release ala the lip syncing), it's still a Japanese product being translated for an English audience. https://twitter.com/Genki_JPN/status/1670054424637755394?s=19 I'd have to watch the segment from last night to see exactly what they said, but It sounds like large parts of FFXVI, if not all of it, were written in English first and translated to Japanese second
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Mr. Trampoline posted:https://twitter.com/Genki_JPN/status/1670054424637755394?s=19 I don't even get how that works but hey if the writers pulled it off, more power to 'em.
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ImpAtom posted:To be fair I can't imagine it's much worse than the English voice acting. I like Skyrim's voice acting. 
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Agents are GO! posted:This reminds me of an ancient post I read somewhere about somebody preferring the Japanese language files for Skyrim. That sure is an advanced level of weird. I'd hope the "Japanese game, so Japanese audio, target language be damned" people were at least consistent. Polish dub of The Witcher games, and show! Estonian fandub of Disco Elysium, somehow! The Longest Journey in Norwegian! Randomly pick French or Dutch for each character in Baldur's Gate 3, like the devs intended!
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I think Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk also did the "script was primarily written in English" workflow Edit: actually it was originally written in Polish and then translated into English, but the English was the primary voice language, so kinda similar CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jun 18, 2023 |
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I need this on my wall.
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Xerophyte posted:That sure is an advanced level of weird. I thought about installing the German voice files for Skyrim, for shits and/or giggles.
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ImpAtom posted:FF16's dub is excellent and I genuinely can't imagine thinking it is bad unless you are predisposed to assume any English dub is bad. I am
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ImpAtom posted:FF16's dub is excellent and I genuinely can't imagine thinking it is bad unless you are predisposed to assume any English dub is bad. Yeah, I pretty much always prefer the Japanese dub in Japanese games (and honestly I'll probably still go with it for FF16 as well - I just like getting access to both "versions" of all the lines), but the English dub for this was pretty much perfect. The only part that ever sounded a little awkward to me was some of the Joshua lines during the Phoenix vs Ifrit fight (the gameplay segments), and even then only slightly. There are other English game dubs that other people like but I would still say are definitely worse than the Japanese alternatives (like Xenoblade 2 and 3), but the English dub during the FF16 demo was probably the best English dub I've ever encountered in a Japanese game. I never really got that feeling of things being "off" that I do from nearly every other English dub in Japanese games. (I'm just using "dub" here as a generic term for "voice-acting" even if that's probably wrong, just because it gets tedious saying "voice-acting" constantly) Begemot posted:Oh yeah lmao, I did not even know that was a thing. Maybe I will try one of those other control schemes.... C is the best IMO. It's almost the same as A, except magic is L1 (which then moves lock-on to L2). B having dodge on Circle is nice, but the way Eikonic abilities work on it was too confusing for me. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Jun 18, 2023 |
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Is there a reason to not just let players rebind buttons as they please
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English audio first? Just like Lost Odyssey....
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fridge corn posted:I'm glad there's no minimap. Any game with a minimap I find myself constantly staring at the minimap and not the cool poo poo on the screen, so I'm glad it's gone. A bold choice, but ultimately the correct one imo Yeah, they mentioned on the last livestream this is exactly the reason they opted not to include one. There's still going to be an area map available via the touchpad so between that and the L3 thing showing you where to go next, I think it will work out well.
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I let one of my friends who doesn't really play games and has never touched a Final Fantasy game (or a PS controller? I had to explain shoulder buttons) screw around with the demo. She ended up getting hooked and played through the whole thing with the help of the rings and mashing square and wanted more when it was over. Also very much worried about the safety of Torgal and chocobo friend. Between this, FFXIV, FF7R, and hopefully FF9 and FFT remakes I feel like this is the kind of strong portfolio of games we haven't seen out of Square in a few decades. And really diverse in terms of tones and combat styles!
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