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bull3964 posted:Does he care for her or does he just want someone to be dependent on him? good question. i'm not sure we see enough of their interactions to actually give a definitive answer, and that wouldn't exactly be out of character for Q either. with the caveat that it's been a while since i've seen that ep (i don't really think it's a good one and usually skip it), based on what we do see i'd say he does at least care for her somewhat. i do remember Q saying he enjoyed her company because it provided him with a perspective of whimsy, so to speak, because all of the miraculous things in the universe from her viewpoint were essentially mundane to him
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I like the overall themes of what different people fight for. Klingon's fight for fun, Gem-Hadar fight because they are genetically bred to, and Humans seem soft because of our love of food and entertainment and comfort, but when those things are threatened we fight harder than anyone else because we want to keep that nice stuff. We fight so that we no longer NEED to fight.
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It's perfectly in Q's character to take Picard's girlfriend from him
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's perfectly in Q's character to take Picard's girlfriend from him Well now we know what happened to Laris 
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nine-gear crow posted:Well now we know what happened to Laris She's better off.
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I have finished season 2 and have watched The Search part 1. Holy poo poo time to put a seatbelt on.
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“Tattoo” is trash. Hey Michael Piller ancient aliens theories are racism. Thanks for making me sit through 30 minutes of that to get the funny parts Robert Picardo came up with where he gives himself the flu. Thankfully “Cold Fire” is next, I haven’t seen it since original airing, and I KNOW it has some great acting in it since it’s stuck in my head for almost thirty years. “Mercy! Mercy.” Indeed.
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People like to say Threshold is the worst Voyager ep, but it really is Tattoo.
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People always select from the ones that are interesting enough to be memorable. They forget much of the bland pablum they've choked down.
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Brawnfire posted:People always select from the ones that are interesting enough to be memorable. They forget much of the bland pablum they've choked down. Tattoo and The Outcast are bad in the sense of being genuinely offensive, not just bad or boring. It’s the absolute worst level.
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Jun 18, 2023 05:51
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Well that's the thing, it really is dull as gently caress and that makes it hard to critically analyze because one likely slept through most of it
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Jun 18, 2023 05:55
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95% of Threshold is a perfectly average Star Trek episode but then lizard Kathy and lizard Tom hosed. If it weren't for the lizard babies at the end we would barely remember it
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Jun 18, 2023 06:26
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My vote for worst Voyager episode goes to the one where Janeway's ancestor hangs out in the midwest on New Year's Eve 1999. Just absolutely a bunch of nothing.
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Knormal posted:My vote for worst Voyager episode goes to the one where Janeway's ancestor hangs out in the midwest on New Year's Eve 1999. Just absolutely a bunch of nothing. Nope. 11:59 is top 10, if not top 5, in the entire series (Voyager, not Star Trek overall). Star Trek on Earth, right now, right here. It’s great.
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Arivia posted:Nope. 11:59 is top 10, if not top 5, in the entire series (Voyager, not Star Trek overall). Star Trek on Earth, right now, right here. It’s great. How do you feel about people from our time getting defrosted by future Starfleet? That’s an existential nightmare for me, honestly.
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11:59 is one of the episodes I remember what I was doing and where I was when I saw it because it was so bafflingly awful I was eating instant mashed potatoes at the time and I remember thinking the episode was still worse
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Star Trek movie but it's Demolition Man on the Enterprise-F
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Marsupial Ape posted:How do you feel about people from our time getting defrosted by future Starfleet? That’s an existential nightmare for me, honestly. It depends on if it's idealistic TNG/VOY/LDS Starfleet or stupid grimdark PIC Starfleet.
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okay I take back a couple of the bad things I said about voyager after watching season one critically but not all of them and some of them are worse now there's some pretty well put together episodes, normally associated with a good acting performance or two- "faces" and "jetrel" in particular, and others like "learning curve"/"heroes and demons"/"state of flux" wouldn't be out of place as enjoyable mid-tier tng episodes the bad is still pretty loving bad though, some really bad pacing issues, failure to engage the actors/bad writing, insanity strength technobabble, jamake highwater bullshit and sometimes just straight up boring- watched "cathexis" twice and drifted off both times finding season 2 a similar mix at the moment, though right now paris and neelix are quarreling (pasta fight!) over the romantic affections of a two year old girl a few episodes after one where she was going to get pregnant by one of them and it feels more than a little creepy tbh Arivia posted:prime directive bitch I guess I would have just hoped for some kind of closure on it, like they warn the ocampans to get their poo poo together in the time they have left- I'm guessing we never find out what happened there
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FuturePastNow posted:95% of Threshold is a perfectly average Star Trek episode but then lizard Kathy and lizard Tom hosed. If it weren't for the lizard babies at the end we would barely remember it This is nuts, the episode treats both Trek science and real science with all the respect and coherence of any random paragraph of Time Cube, it's 42 minutes of  mad libs capped off with salamander gently caress larva.
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Yeah, Threshold is really a lot of the absolute worst things about Trek and I don't think my brain can ever even manage to dump it into the so bad it's good bucket. It's just bad. It's the kind of Star Trek episode where the plot doesn't really exist, because it's just a long string of meaningless technobabble problems addressed by meaningless technobabble solutions. The resolution is almost a straight-up non sequitur. Voyager is worse than most Trek when it comes to technobabble, but Threshold takes it to another level.
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Roadie posted:It depends on if it's idealistic TNG/VOY/LDS Starfleet or stupid grimdark PIC Starfleet. The idealistic one is worse, for me. Everybody silently pitying the backwards 21st century rube that had to be run through the transporter twice to catch all the fast food based carcinogens in his body.
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Oh yeah, it'd be just awful to wake up in a luxury communist paradise where all of my medical issues could be treated with a blue beam once a year, any job I did would be one I actually wanted to do instead of one I needed just to survive, and the worst "hovel" we've seen on Earth had a beautiful view, a private garden, and no neighbors for miles. That would be terrible. 🙄
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That kind of reminds me I loved the episode's B plot with Kira being pregnant with Kirayoshi and Miles looking after her only for them to realise they are starting to crush on each other hard and trying to find any excuse to not hang out only for Keiko to be like "Why doesn't Miles help you with that?" and by the end they are about to go on a weekend to Bajor together that happens to accidentally be the most romantic place imaginable, so Miles is just like "gently caress it, I'm out. If anyone asks I got held up and missed the shuttle. Keiko will kill me for that but it will be better than this..." and Kira's like "Yeah, go, that's a good move. *miles hesitates* GO!" I thought it was a rather funny farce.
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I like the alt reading of the ep where Keiko 100% knew and was pushing for a polycule.
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I think it works because despite being awkward comedy, it doesn't feel cringy because it's not coming from anyone doing anything wrong. It's just a really weird situation. No one's saying anything that's being taken out of context, or misunderstanding a situation in a painfully embarrassing way that makes you want to crawl out of your skin, it's just naturally strange and not forced.
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MikeJF posted:I like the alt reading of the ep where Keiko 100% knew and was pushing for a polycule. This is how I choose to read it. Keiko wants Kira to finally be with a man who wasn't the living embodiment of beige.
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8one6 posted:This is how I choose to read it. Keiko wants Kira to finally be with a man who wasn't the living embodiment of beige. But O'Brien is the living embodiment of bij.
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I like his attitude, like when Worf is complaining about how none of the components work properly because of it being from the tech of three different races and it's constantly falling apart, and o'Brian's just like "I know, isn't it great? I have so much to do, on the enterprise it was just 'Push button to beam' "
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Irish village episodes are the worst voyager episodes, hands down
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MikeJF posted:I like the alt reading of the ep where Keiko 100% knew and was pushing for a polycule. There's a separate ep where she plays telephone to trick Miles and Julian into speaking again after a falling out, and I'm sure there's a few others where this comes up. Keiko is 100% down for Miles to have a sidepiece.
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I love that both of them know that just existing in their marriage won't be enough for either of them, so she makes sure he knows he can engage with his hobbies, and he makes sure she has time to pursue her career in botany. They don't take it personally, it's just how they work.
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"This is my husband Miles, and this is his boyfriend Julian, and our girlfriend Nerys."
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zoux posted:Irish village episodes are the worst voyager episodes, hands down
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8one6 posted:Oh yeah, it'd be just awful to wake up in a luxury communist paradise where all of my medical issues could be treated with a blue beam once a year, any job I did would be one I actually wanted to do instead of one I needed just to survive, and the worst "hovel" we've seen on Earth had a beautiful view, a private garden, and no neighbors for miles. Somebody needs a Mr. Suru hug.
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Abe Vigoda Tommy boy! Could ya spare a bit o'gold for me drinkin' habit? Hiddly hiddly ho!
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Knormal posted:My vote for worst Voyager episode goes to the one where Janeway's ancestor hangs out in the midwest on New Year's Eve 1999. Just absolutely a bunch of nothing. wow I really buried that one in my memory
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BTW something amusing about Kate Mulgrew - she was in a sci-fi PS2 game called Run Like Hell, as the ships doctor. It's a fun game with some interesting ideas and decent characterisation.
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holy gently caress tattoo is bad
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Part of the reason I remember 11:59 was that it had John Carroll Lynch, who also had a regular supporting role on The Drew Carey Show. Lynch played Drew's older, cross-dressing brother
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