[Ukraine] U.S. gives up on sending $100,000 guided artillery shells due to 6% hitrate

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fizzy: Dec 2, 2022; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Endman posted:

Material disparity renders some strategies more or less effective depending on context. As Ukraine has a material inferiority, particularly in terms of artillery, working slowly puts them at a distinct disadvantage, whereas the same approach done with a superiority in firepower and manpower is more effective.

Russia may have a higher number of artillery units, but Ukraine artillery is doing more damage than Russia's, even with fewer rounds.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-artillery-does-more-damage-with-fewer-rounds-than-russia-2023-4

How Ukraine's artillery is doing more damage than Russia's, even with fewer rounds
David Hambling
Apr 26, 2023

...

Russia has enjoyed a huge advantage in artillery since the start of the invasion with roughly twice as many guns and MRLs, and more importantly, massive stockpiles of ammunition. Figures vary wildly, and have changed over time, but all put Russian substantially ahead in terms of shells fired.

In November NBC quoted US officials estimating Russian expenditure of 20,000 rounds per day against 4,000-7,000 for Ukraine. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg stated in February that Russia was firing around four times as many shells as Ukraine. In March, Spanish newspaper El Pais quoted EU insider sources as saying that Russia was firing 40-50,000 rounds per day, compared to 5,000-6,000 for Ukraine, while Estonia (which has supplied shells to Ukraine) estimated that Russia was firing 20,000-60,000 per day compared to 2,000-7,000 from Ukraine.

So Russia is likely firing something between four and nine times as many shells as Ukraine.

And yet, Russia has suffered much higher casualties. To take just one figure, recently leaked Pentagon documents suggest 189,500-223,000 Russians killed or injured compared to 124,500-131,000 Ukrainians or 1.4 to 1.8 to 1.

...

The solution to this paradox lies in the different ways that the two armies use their artillery.

While Russia has stuck mainly to Soviet doctrine of massed area fires, Ukraine uses artillery fire as a long-range sniper weapon to pick off individual targets. This has been made possible with the widespread use of two innovations: small drones for artillery spotting, coupled with cheap tablet computers running software like Nettle system to direct fire.

Back in 2014, Ukrainian volunteer organization Army-SOS set out to use its technical skill to help the military. They initially helped soldiers fly and support drones, but soon found the biggest problem was using the data gathered by drone operators efficiently. So they developed Kropyva ("Nettle") proprietary intelligence mapping software, which can run on any Android tablet.

Nettle is supplied as a tactical system compatible with NATO-standard secure communications and is used from divisional command down to individual vehicles. It maps battle lines and targets and calculates artillery fire missions. It is specifically designed to work with drones, receiving data and using it to calculate the adjustment needed. The gunner changes angle and azimuth accordingly, and shells land on target.

Several other Ukraine-developed software packages � GIS Arta, ComBat Vision, and the major Delta battlefield management system � are also used to share data, locating targets and directing fire.

Ukrainian forces use a wide variety of small drones, including several locally made military-grade types such as the Leleka-100 and Spectator-M for artillery spotting, as well as thousands of DJ consumer quadcopters. The latter has a range of just a few kilometers and a flight endurance of perhaps half an hour, but their low cost means they are expendable and universally available.

In March 2022, Oleksiy Arestovych, adviser to the office of President Volodymyr Zelensky, told the media that a standard platoon defensive position took normally took 60-90 artillery rounds to destroy, but with drone-guided fire this was reduced to just 9 rounds, and that drones had been supplied to all artillery units. This suggests an improvement of a factor of 7-10, which is roughly what we see in the ratios of artillery shells: casualties above.

Previously, a vehicle, especially in a dug-in, camouflaged position or behind buildings or trees might not be detected until enemy forces were close by. Drone observation changes this, with small drones buzzing overhead spotting everything below in real time � not just vehicles but even individual soldiers.

Hiding behind a ridge or hill no longer helps. Given suitable software and communications which Nettle supplies, every potential target can be geolocated precisely, the coordinates passed to artillery, and rounds walked on to it.

A vast number of Ukrainian drone videos show this process in operation. In previous conflicts, concentrated artillery fire was needed to damage armored units. Now individual guns can take on the same task.

...

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:31

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 09:17

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

Looks like forbes has covered the tank ied

Ik edit: no

quote:

Well, that's one way to use an obsolete tank.

On or before Sunday, Russian forces near Marinka, in southeastern Ukraine's Donetsk Oblast, packed what appeared to be a 70-year-old T-54 or T-55 tank with explosives, rigged it with simple radio remote controls and rolled it toward Ukrainian positions.

The vehicle-borne improvised explosive device, or VBIED, didn't get very far. It apparently struck a mine then ate a Ukrainian anti-tank missile—and disappeared in a billowing cloud of smoke and debris.

The attempted VBIED attack underscores the increasing desperation of Russian forces, 16 months after Russia widened its war on Ukraine.

Many tens of thousands of Russia's best troops have been wounded or killed. Russian forces have written off no fewer than 10,000 of their best armored vehicles. The Kremlin's winter offensive was a bust. At the cost of thousands of lives, Russian and allied regiments finally captured the ruins of Bakhmut, in eastern Ukraine's Donbas region.

But that pyrrhic victory consumed the people and equipment Moscow should have devoted to shoring up its defensive lines in southern and eastern Ukraine ahead of Ukraine's long-anticipated 2023 counteroffensive.

That operation kicked off on the night of June 4, as several Ukrainian brigades—some of them armed with Western tanks and fighting vehicles—attacked along several axes in Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk Oblasts, as well as on the flanks of Bahkmut. The Ukrainians slowly are advancing in several sectors, steadily erasing the Russians' modest winter gains.

The Russians were running out of modern weaponry long before the current counteroffensive. Now they're running out even faster—and turning to long-stored tanks and fighting vehicles and increasingly bizarre modifications of existing vehicles, including a wheeled BTR armed with rocket pods borrowed from a helicopter.

After running low on modern T-72B3 and T-90M tanks, the Kremlin began pulling out of storage upgraded T-62s from the 1980s, first-generation T-72s from the 1970s and, most shockingly, basic T-55s and T-54s that rolled off the factory floor probably sometime in the late 1950s.

Those four-person T-54/55s with their thin armor, crude optics and minimally-stabilized 100-millimeter guns are worse than useless in an intensive fight, especially at night. They're deathtraps for their crews.

The Russians know this. They at first deployed the T-54/55s along with slightly newer T-62s as short-range, mobile artillery. But a tank doesn't make a great howitzer: its gun can't angle high enough to shoot a shell more than 10 miles or so, and its optics don't allow for long-range aiming.

It’s slightly better than nothing in an army that's under relentless assault and running low on things with which to fight back, however. That the Russians are turning to vehicle-borne IEDs is symptomatic of this poverty.

The T-54/55 VBIED isn't the only one to roll out from Russian positions in recent days. Russian troops also tried ramming Ukrainian positions with an MT-LB tractor loaded up with explosive mine-clearing line-charges.

An army with adequate supplies of long-range munitions wouldn't bother trying to blow up a Ukrainian position with a radio-controlled tank full of explosives. Especially considering how many anti-tank guided missiles the Ukrainians have.

It's dangerous to approach within a few miles of any Ukrainian brigade. It's doubly dangerous, for the assailant, to approach slowly and awkwardly in broad daylight. But that's the only mode of travel a museum-vintage T-54/55 knows.

But when a tank is so old that it can't survive in a direct fight, and also is poorly suited to its secondary role as a do-it-yourself howitzer, what else are you going to do with it except stuff it with C4, rig it up with some radio-controlled servos and send it trundling toward the enemy on a one-way mission everyone knows is unlikely to succeed?

Somebody has issued a correction as of 14:44 on Jun 19, 2023

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:32

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

The Uk's Daily Mail is headlining with news that the counter-offensive is in trouble. Things must be bad if they're publishing stuff like this:

quote:

After entering a second week of demanding counter attacks, Ukraine appear to be hitting heavy resistance in their battle to liberate Russian-occupied land which has brutally been snatched off them across a 16-month invasion.

In particular, a Russian detachment of 20 KA-52 attack helicopters have given the Russians air superiority over the advancing Ukrainians. Russian propaganda photographs have shown dozens of destroyed Western armoured vehicles, including 16 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and five Leopard tanks.

Three crucial mine clearing tanks, supplied by the US and Germany respectively, have also been pictured abandoned and damaged.

...

Since launching its much-anticipated counter on June 4, Ukraine's efforts have yielded a mixed response. Reports they recaptured Piatykhatky, in the southern Zapororizhzhia region, on Sunday would be their first village gain in almost a week.

Ik edit: no

Somebody has issued a correction as of 14:09 on Jun 19, 2023

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:33

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

fizzy posted:

You derided those who mocked the Russians' slow and steady approach that brought them success in Bakhmut, while in turn deriding the Ukrainians for taking the same slow and steady approach in their own counter-offensive. But I guess it's too much to expect consistency and non-hypocrisy from tankies.

what do u think the main difference between bakhmut and these villages is?

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:36

fizzy: Dec 2, 2022; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

CODChimera posted:

what do u think the main difference between bakhmut and these villages is?

Bakhmut is the internationally recognised territory of Ukraine, while those villages were being wrongfully occupied by Russia following their unlawful and immoral invasion of Ukraine.

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:43

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

CODChimera posted:

what do u think the main difference between bakhmut and these villages is?

Oh he's serious, lol

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:46

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

There needs to a cap/quota on bits.

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:46

Cuttlefush: Jan 15, 2014; gotta have my purp

im gonna do a bit

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:47

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Cuttlefush posted:

im gonna do a bit

Gonna implies that it will be future event.

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But yeah, the difference is that the Ukrainians are trying to pull off armored assaults and getting baited into taking villages that are essentially death traps while Wagner was mostly just hammering down Bakhmut building by building and the video evidence is pretty clear at both how both actions are performed and the results. The Ukrainians aren't trying to go slow here, they are trying to go as fast as possible, they are simply unable to due to the degree of defenses and the amount of Russian forces and when the Russians eventually give up a position, they hammer any incoming Ukrainian forces.

It also seems like the casualties are racking up for the Ukrainians as well as many of the brigades that initially started the attack 2 weeks ago have clearly been attritioned and more reserves have been brought up to replace them.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 07:54 on Jun 19, 2023

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:49

paul_soccer12: Jan 5, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

fizzy posted:

Russia may have a higher number of artillery units, but Ukraine artillery is doing more damage than Russia's, even with fewer rounds.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-artillery-does-more-damage-with-fewer-rounds-than-russia-2023-4

How Ukraine's artillery is doing more damage than Russia's, even with fewer rounds
David Hambling
Apr 26, 2023

...

Russia has enjoyed a huge advantage in artillery since the start of the invasion with roughly twice as many guns and MRLs, and more importantly, massive stockpiles of ammunition. Figures vary wildly, and have changed over time, but all put Russian substantially ahead in terms of shells fired.

In November NBC quoted US officials estimating Russian expenditure of 20,000 rounds per day against 4,000-7,000 for Ukraine. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg stated in February that Russia was firing around four times as many shells as Ukraine. In March, Spanish newspaper El Pais quoted EU insider sources as saying that Russia was firing 40-50,000 rounds per day, compared to 5,000-6,000 for Ukraine, while Estonia (which has supplied shells to Ukraine) estimated that Russia was firing 20,000-60,000 per day compared to 2,000-7,000 from Ukraine.

So Russia is likely firing something between four and nine times as many shells as Ukraine.

And yet, Russia has suffered much higher casualties. To take just one figure, recently leaked Pentagon documents suggest 189,500-223,000 Russians killed or injured compared to 124,500-131,000 Ukrainians or 1.4 to 1.8 to 1.

...

The solution to this paradox lies in the different ways that the two armies use their artillery.

While Russia has stuck mainly to Soviet doctrine of massed area fires, Ukraine uses artillery fire as a long-range sniper weapon to pick off individual targets. This has been made possible with the widespread use of two innovations: small drones for artillery spotting, coupled with cheap tablet computers running software like Nettle system to direct fire.

Back in 2014, Ukrainian volunteer organization Army-SOS set out to use its technical skill to help the military. They initially helped soldiers fly and support drones, but soon found the biggest problem was using the data gathered by drone operators efficiently. So they developed Kropyva ("Nettle") proprietary intelligence mapping software, which can run on any Android tablet.

Nettle is supplied as a tactical system compatible with NATO-standard secure communications and is used from divisional command down to individual vehicles. It maps battle lines and targets and calculates artillery fire missions. It is specifically designed to work with drones, receiving data and using it to calculate the adjustment needed. The gunner changes angle and azimuth accordingly, and shells land on target.

Several other Ukraine-developed software packages — GIS Arta, ComBat Vision, and the major Delta battlefield management system — are also used to share data, locating targets and directing fire.

Ukrainian forces use a wide variety of small drones, including several locally made military-grade types such as the Leleka-100 and Spectator-M for artillery spotting, as well as thousands of DJ consumer quadcopters. The latter has a range of just a few kilometers and a flight endurance of perhaps half an hour, but their low cost means they are expendable and universally available.

In March 2022, Oleksiy Arestovych, adviser to the office of President Volodymyr Zelensky, told the media that a standard platoon defensive position took normally took 60-90 artillery rounds to destroy, but with drone-guided fire this was reduced to just 9 rounds, and that drones had been supplied to all artillery units. This suggests an improvement of a factor of 7-10, which is roughly what we see in the ratios of artillery shells: casualties above.

Previously, a vehicle, especially in a dug-in, camouflaged position or behind buildings or trees might not be detected until enemy forces were close by. Drone observation changes this, with small drones buzzing overhead spotting everything below in real time — not just vehicles but even individual soldiers.

Hiding behind a ridge or hill no longer helps. Given suitable software and communications which Nettle supplies, every potential target can be geolocated precisely, the coordinates passed to artillery, and rounds walked on to it.

A vast number of Ukrainian drone videos show this process in operation. In previous conflicts, concentrated artillery fire was needed to damage armored units. Now individual guns can take on the same task.

...

This is good news for Ukraine

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:50

paul_soccer12: Jan 5, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

Remotely driving an old tank full of explosives towards a purely military target = ISIS terror inhumane disgusting scum Russian subhumans

Packing a Ryder truck full of explosives and detonating it on a bridge full of civilians = heroyim slava especially the unwitting driver

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:53

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

fizzy posted:

Bakhmut is the internationally recognised territory of Ukraine, while those villages were being wrongfully occupied by Russia following their unlawful and immoral invasion of Ukraine.

one is a huge city, the other is a tiny village

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:59

supersnowman: Oct 3, 2012

KomradeX posted:

Looks like forbes has covered the tank ied

Ik edit: no

It's super dangerous to travel within miles of a UAF brigade but somehow, this old rear end tank got within about 100 meters of a UAF position.

Somebody has issued a correction as of 14:45 on Jun 19, 2023

# ? Jun 19, 2023 07:59

fizzy: Dec 2, 2022; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

CODChimera posted:

one is a huge city, the other is a tiny village

Just because the villages being liberated by Ukraine from Putin's grasping reach are small in size, doesn't mean that Russia has the right to grab them for itself.

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:02

Cuttlefush: Jan 15, 2014; gotta have my purp

those villages.... belong to me

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:07

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

The international rules-based order can argue over who has the right to what territory as much as it wants.

The real determinant of territorial rights is the power of incredible violence.

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:13

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

fizzy posted:

Just because the villages being liberated by Ukraine from Putin's grasping reach are small in size, doesn't mean that Russia has the right to grab them for itself.

whats that got to do with the speed of bakhmut vs the counter offensive tho

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:15

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

supersnowman posted:

It's super dangerous to travel within miles of a UAF brigade but somehow, this old rear end tank got within about 100 meters of a UAF position.

I did think it waa weird they waited till after the tank stuck a mine to shoot a rocket at it.

So much for St. Javelin

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:16

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Endman posted:

The international rules-based order can argue over who has the right to what territory as much as it wants.

The real determinant of territorial rights is the power of incredible violence.

Facts. Any power that isn't derived from the ability to inflict incredible violence is no power at all.

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:24

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

Ardennes posted:

There needs to a cap/quota on bits.

Agreed, we could measure them by the kilo, or kilobits for short

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:42

xiaoren: Dec 9, 2021

I'll respectfully decline the thousand bits

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:46

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

bits cant hurt you

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:48

Turtle Watch: Jul 30, 2010; by Games Forum

I am willing to do some cap and trade for bits. I will trade one orc novel I would have found and posted a week to someone in order to get exclusive rights to one anti-tankie diatribe.

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:48

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

xiaoren posted:

I'll respectfully decline the thousand bits

Too bad

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Supposedly, there was another large scale assault by the Ukrainians at Novodonetsk and it didn't look like it went very well according to reports/video footage and the Russians may have captured a fair amount of Western AFVs out of it.

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CODChimera posted:

bits cant hurt you

This site has literally one semi-readable thread regarding Ukraine/Russia/Eastern Europe.

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:51

fizzy: Dec 2, 2022; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Good news for Ukraine - They have destroyed almost three dozen Russian missiles and about fifty attack drones in the past seven days (including all Kalibr and Kinzhal missiles launched by Russia), and not a single Patriot has been destroyed.

https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/nashi-vijskovi-ruhayutsya-krok-za-krokom-idemo-vpered-zverne-83669

Our troops are advancing, step by step we are moving forward - address by the President of Ukraine
18 June 2023 - 22:31

...

And of course, our defenders of the sky. Over a week, more than a hundred group air strikes on enemy positions and rear. Thank you, our pilots! Almost three dozen missiles and about fifty attack drones were destroyed in seven days. And I would like to celebrate the defenders of the Kyiv region's sky, the 96th Kyiv air defense missile brigade of the Air Force... Thank you! All "Kalibrs" and "Kinzhals" were destroyed during these attacks, and thus the lives of our people were saved.

And by the way, I want to say a few things. First of all, no matter who in Russia says that our Patriots have been destroyed, they are still here, they are working, all of them are shooting down Russian missiles. As efficiently as possible. Not a single Patriot has been destroyed!

...

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:52

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Turtle Watch posted:

I am willing to do some cap and trade for bits. I will trade one orc novel I would have found and posted a week to someone in order to get exclusive rights to one anti-tankie diatribe.

Is the anti-tankie distribe just one off white noise or one that has been building for months and is 5 pages long?

# ? Jun 19, 2023 08:54

Turtle Watch: Jul 30, 2010; by Games Forum

Ardennes posted:

Is the anti-tankie distribe just one off white noise or one that has been building for months and is 5 pages long?

Ideally the latter. I want it to come from the heart. The words should show me that you have subjected yourself to hate-reading this thread of evil for a long time, and though you are a freedom-loving liberal of peace, enough is enough, and the time has long since passed when good men should sit by and do nothing.

It is time to bring the war home to all the tankies, vatniks, peace-trolls, moskals, orcs, and anti-Slavas. The Ukrainians are fighting and dying as we speak, a true hero should not fear to join the posting front.

# ? Jun 19, 2023 09:02

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

Is a peace troll basically a neutral-good aligned normal troll?

# ? Jun 19, 2023 09:17

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Slavvy posted:

Is a peace troll basically a neutral-good aligned normal troll?

Chaotic pure strain evil

# ? Jun 19, 2023 09:18

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

fizzy posted:

Good news for Ukraine - They have destroyed almost three dozen Russian missiles and about fifty attack drones in the past seven days (including all Kalibr and Kinzhal missiles launched by Russia), and not a single Patriot has been destroyed.

https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/nashi-vijskovi-ruhayutsya-krok-za-krokom-idemo-vpered-zverne-83669

Our troops are advancing, step by step we are moving forward - address by the President of Ukraine
18 June 2023 - 22:31

...

And of course, our defenders of the sky. Over a week, more than a hundred group air strikes on enemy positions and rear. Thank you, our pilots! Almost three dozen missiles and about fifty attack drones were destroyed in seven days. And I would like to celebrate the defenders of the Kyiv region's sky, the 96th Kyiv air defense missile brigade of the Air Force... Thank you! All "Kalibrs" and "Kinzhals" were destroyed during these attacks, and thus the lives of our people were saved.

And by the way, I want to say a few things. First of all, no matter who in Russia says that our Patriots have been destroyed, they are still here, they are working, all of them are shooting down Russian missiles. As efficiently as possible. Not a single Patriot has been destroyed!

...

I block all the incoming ordinance with my face.

# ? Jun 19, 2023 09:25

Turtle Watch: Jul 30, 2010; by Games Forum

Slavvy posted:

Is a peace troll basically a neutral-good aligned normal troll?

It is when a bad guy claims to want a peaceful resolution to the Ukrainian war, but what they really want to do is reject the Ukrainian government�s sovereign right to forcibly conscript hundreds of thousands of civilians and march them into a meat grinder for dubious geopolitical gains.

While claiming to care about �lives� what they really care about is denying all of us in the West the chance to see whether the war will become like one of our Harry Potters and the good guy will finally defeat the bad guy. You can�t reward Putin by surrendering, where will he stop next? Even Voldemort didn�t stop at just terrorizing the wizarding world.

A good example of a real world peace troll is the President of South Africa, a well-known Putinist. He pretended to travel this week with a �peace plan� to show to Ukraine and Russia, but the wise Polish government put him in his place by trying to separate him from his routine security detail. That will show the global south. Bad faith peace troll humiliated! Slava Europa.

# ? Jun 19, 2023 09:34

Cookie Cutter: Nov 29, 2020; Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

Slavvy posted:

Is a peace troll basically a neutral-good aligned normal troll?

If you want to stop people dying while Ukraine is still on the back foot, it makes you a de facto Putinist. Peace is unthinkable until Ukraine is undeniably winning a.k.a let's do WW1 again

# ? Jun 19, 2023 09:36

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Nix Panicus posted:

Arma is a game where you spend a half hour in a briefing, a half hour getting loaded out, a half hour making your way to the operation zone, and then die 20 seconds into a firefight.

It's realistic, and exactly the kind of experience that should cause anyone to conclude that real life soldiering is for suckers.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Did people ever rediscover the secret to Greek fire

Nope, IIRC there's theories it was napalm, but nobody knows for sure and I think some of the described properties don't match.

Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 10:25 on Jun 19, 2023

# ? Jun 19, 2023 10:14

Palladium: May 8, 2012; Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Nix Panicus posted:

Arma is a game where you spend a half hour in a briefing, a half hour getting loaded out, a half hour making your way to the operation zone, and then die 20 seconds into a firefight.

western mercs in UKR had a very normal one when their training camp got missile'd

Palladium has issued a correction as of 10:48 on Jun 19, 2023

# ? Jun 19, 2023 10:46

Raine: Apr 30, 2013; ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER

who cares about greek fire or napalm when you got WP

# ? Jun 19, 2023 10:49

Honest Thief: Jan 11, 2009

i didnt expect today to find a ai generated african putin floating around pro ukr groups lmao

# ? Jun 19, 2023 11:06

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 25 days!)

Today is June 19th, and "Not Boring" village is still Ukrainian.

# ? Jun 19, 2023 11:17

fizzy: Dec 2, 2022; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Bad news for Russia - Sweden is alert to Russia's dirty tricks, and Russia will not find Sweden to be an easy target.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f08c1a38208b25a

11m ago
11.07 BST

A special Swedish parliamentary defence committee has said the country�s defence must focus on the threat posed by Russia and a military attack could not be ruled out, Reuters reports.

The Nordic nation has been scrambling to bolster its defences, having applied to join Nato last year as a result of Russia�s invasion of Ukraine, though Turkey and Hungary have so far held up Swedish entry into the Western alliance.

The committee said the war in Ukraine could escalate into attacks on other countries or even the use of nuclear weapons.

In the report, the all-party committee, which includes security experts, said:

"Russia�s aggressive actions have led to a structural and greatly deteriorated security situation. Russia has further lowered its threshold for military use of force and exhibits a high risk propensity."

# ? Jun 19, 2023 11:18

Cheatum the Evil Midget: Sep 11, 2000; I COULDN'T BACK UP ANY OF MY ARGUEMENTS, IGNORE ME PLEASE.

Russia chose Superior Firepower doctrine and built its divisions as 7/2s with attached anti air, while Ukraine picked Mobile Warfare with attached recon 9/0s. Given this imbalance, Putin is just lazily battle planning his way to victory since micro is poison

# ? Jun 19, 2023 11:30

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 09:17

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

That's lot of words for Sweden to say they didn't actually do anything but have some meetings about synergies and flowcharts.

"Dynamically empower"

# ? Jun 19, 2023 11:30

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