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Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Annie used to have a football for a head, but at least it was consistently a football.

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isasphere
Mar 7, 2013
I genuinely did not mind the football head era, that style had its charm.

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

there was this period where the shapes were all what they are now but tom was still doing sketchy stuff and using wild perspectives for effect

like he was never really able to draw well-blocked action but instead he'd just have an extremely angular eglamore swinging his sword in a mile-wide arc and that was evocative and good

there's an alternate timeline where tom watched one more genndy tartakovsky product and became incredible

UnbearablyBlight
Nov 4, 2009

hello i am your heart how nice to meet you

isasphere posted:

I genuinely did not mind the football head era, that style had its charm.

Yeah this. It was stylized, but a consistent, recognizable style. Everything looks so generic and flat now, and the faces have lost all their character.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



isasphere posted:

I genuinely did not mind the football head era, that style had its charm.

Esme posted:

Yeah this. It was stylized, but a consistent, recognizable style. Everything looks so generic and flat now, and the faces have lost all their character.

I'm not saying that the early art style was bad, just that Annie had an odd design, but it was consistently odd. Her design remained consistent from page to page, let alone panel to panel. Now she's going wildly off-model from panel to panel, let alone page to page.

JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013
So this is leading to a love triangle between Lana Annie and Jerrick? Is that where this is going? And Ysengrim is being implied to have been her crush here?

I don't like this. I don't like any of this.

JuniperCake fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jun 16, 2023

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

It's leading to absolutely nothing, just like always

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum
this comic is going to end and i'm going to have to find a mental pin to put in somewhere and be like "gosh that was a good comic, shame it ended right here and never finished, it had so much potential and unanswered interesting questions"

Youremother
Dec 26, 2011

MORT

Gunnerkrigg Court? That comic ended four years ago... on this very night! *THUNDERCLAP*

Note Block
May 14, 2007

nothing could fit so perfectly inside




Fun Shoe

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

this comic is going to end and i'm going to have to find a mental pin to put in somewhere and be like "gosh that was a good comic, shame it ended right here and never finished, it had so much potential and unanswered interesting questions"

I re-read from Get Lost onward recently and while the quality does noticeably slip after the two Annies merge at the end of Find Yourself, it isn't until Reconfiguration and the "I can't believe we really... k-k-kissed!" panel that I drop what little patience I have left and refuse to press the right arrow again. Just all interest is gone. It's so monumentally tone deaf after what happened to Reynard. These characters suck and I don't want to see them happy.

Tiny Myers
Jul 29, 2021

say hello to my little friend


isasphere posted:

Oh my god, please don't tell me that Annie's secret "can't say it out loud even to the other me" crush was Ysengrin.

This is exactly where my mind went, too. You know, Ysengrin, the character who was very clearly meant to be read as a father figure and stepped in to praise her when she was upset over her dad, who is as old as her other two father figures, Renard and Coyote, who... I suppose... have both... flirted or made inappropriate jokes with her... :geno:

Not that teen girls have never had crushes on men much older than them - lord knows I did - but the way the comic is handling everything with it and Jerrek is just... weird! Weird and uncomfortable!

Maybe all the weirdness with Renard creeping on extremely young teen girls that I kind of waved away as "well, that aged poorly" because the rest of the comic was so good was, in fact, an overlooked red flag

JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013

Tiny Myers posted:

an overlooked red flag

Yeah it feels more and more likely that this was the case.

Kinda sucks when updates are not only doing the current comic no favors but are also retroactively making past parts of the comic worse as well.

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

this comic is going to end and i'm going to have to find a mental pin to put in somewhere and be like "gosh that was a good comic, shame it ended right here and never finished, it had so much potential and unanswered interesting questions"

imo just stop around the time they finally defeat Jeanne. There's not really any clear conclusion afterwards.

Cavelcade
Dec 9, 2015

I'm actually a boy!



CodfishCartographer posted:

imo just stop around the time they finally defeat Jeanne. There's not really any clear conclusion afterwards.

Read Red's rant, then just walk out the door with her and never look back.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Well the comic nearing the end means there must be some romantic conclusion too* and I'm just :lol: at the prospect of it unfolding at the pacing we've become used to.

*not really but there's been a growing focus on it

Tiny Myers
Jul 29, 2021

say hello to my little friend


Cavelcade posted:

Read Red's rant, then just walk out the door with her and never look back.
I've said it before but I think Red's rant was the first time I really went "huh?" at this comic, at least at a part that wasn't related to Tony. It was such an unnecessary and upsetting brutalization of the protagonist.

On its own, it could've been fine to show "okay, here's lasting consequences beyond just the nebulous threat of the psychopomps, here's creating a distinct sense of discomfort in the reader over what happened, making the future feel uncertain and dangerous". But instead of letting Annie or the reader sit with that literally at all, you just immediately follow it up with a chapter of Kat refuting every single point and reassuring her that she did absolutely nothing wrong and doesn't need to worry about anything ever.

The end result is just... you binned a popular and interesting character (and her girlfriend) for no reason because I guess you didn't need her anymore, and you have a chapter that's really uncomfortable to read yet serves no actual narrative purpose. Like, I guess you could argue maybe some readers might have some lasting concerns about the dangers Annie put the others in and if it was manipulative to do so, but they were all problems pretty much solved by common sense (they all agreed to it, it's a loving YA story, etc) and the sort of thing you kind of tune out with a YA protagonist anyway.

It's not wrong to want to address those concerns, or even to cut through the YA sense of disbelief about the protagonist endangering people for their quest especially when Gunnerkrigg has played with subverting those elements before, but why the gently caress would you handle it in the most comically strawman method of "here is the hotheaded rude character one-sidedly venting the audience's concerns, and now here is the chapter where the smart and logical character looks at the camera and says all of them are dumb and wrong :)"?

I guess I might be a little extra irritated because it almost feels like the discomfort was the point, like he wanted to hit the audience with that "wham" moment of Red saying to never talk to them again. Which would be fine if it had a point narratively, but as it is, it feels like it happened just because the author thinks it's fun to elicit that reaction. I don't like being made to feel uncomfortable for no good reason - it feels like a betrayal of the trust between the writer and the audience. Andrew Hussie-rear end poo poo.

JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013
I think Tom really does like cheap drama, which seems to be why he often presents things in a one-sided way to just make stuff as uncomfortable as possible.

Then right after he'll undercut that whole plot or sequence. As if to say oh you shouldn't have been bothered by all that or everything's okay see? That's how he handled the entire Tony arc as well as stuff like Red's departure, Paz flipping out at Annie, Lana being attacked by Loup, etc etc.

It's so needless and it really messes with the tone of the comic.

isasphere
Mar 7, 2013
drat, he did say in the youtube retrospective for the tree that the audience reaction to Tony, where he basically came across as a villain, was what he expected, and then he spent the next chapters building up that only to turn it all around as "Tony is the real victim here, actually".

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010
my god this is so stupid

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

isasphere posted:

drat, he did say in the youtube retrospective for the tree that the audience reaction to Tony, where he basically came across as a villain, was what he expected, and then he spent the next chapters building up that only to turn it all around as "Tony is the real victim here, actually".
I wish someone had explained to him that victim and villain are not mutually exclusive.

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

JuniperCake posted:

I think Tom really does like cheap drama, which seems to be why he often presents things in a one-sided way to just make stuff as uncomfortable as possible.

Then right after he'll undercut that whole plot or sequence. As if to say oh you shouldn't have been bothered by all that or everything's okay see? That's how he handled the entire Tony arc as well as stuff like Red's departure, Paz flipping out at Annie, Lana being attacked by Loup, etc etc.

It's so needless and it really messes with the tone of the comic.

i would argue that that IS the tone of the comic

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

isasphere posted:

drat, he did say in the youtube retrospective for the tree that the audience reaction to Tony, where he basically came across as a villain, was what he expected, and then he spent the next chapters building up that only to turn it all around as "Tony is the real victim here, actually".

I also think an author can expect people to see Tony as a villain even if you intend that to be subverted later.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Me hoping to gently caress Wednesday page doesn't confirm love triangle.

Lunar Suite
Jun 5, 2011

If you love a flower which happens to be on a star, it is sweet at night to gaze at the sky. All the stars are a riot of flowers.
Loup's death throes warp reality. Annie gasps for air, pinned to the ground by her football head. Finally, they save the universe by putting it safe into Tony's mindcage. Jones nods, and crumbles to sand.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Lunar Suite posted:

Loup's death throes warp reality. Annie gasps for air, pinned to the ground by her football head. Finally, they save the universe by putting it safe into Tony's mindcage. Jones nods, and crumbles to sand.

Just that one parody comic of Calvin and Hobbes where Calvin is on medication, but with Annie and Reynard instead.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


just quit Tom

your heart is somewhere else. go pursue whatever that is. you're an amazing artist and profoundly engaging author. this is painful to watch.

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

Gunnerkrigg Court needs to die so that Gunnerkrigg Court Go! can be born

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Gunnerkrigg Court II: Electric Boogaloup

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
Neo-Gunnerkrigg: Court Is In Session

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


Gunnerkrigg Court But In The Sense Of A Basketball Court Shut Up And Jam Gaiden

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

wet fart noise

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock
"You think you can stop Loup? Hah! I killed Loup 35 pages ago!" *turns into Coyote*

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Gunnerkrigg Shippuden

catapede
Jul 1, 2018

Eatin' fish leaves
Gettin' strong

Captain Oblivious posted:

I can’t wait for this comic’s last rattling gasp.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Jerrek pulls off his face like a mask, revealing a psychopomp and reveals that the entire comic after this page was Annie's dying dream as she lay broken and bleeding out after she fell off the bridge. The psychopomp escorts her spirit to the afterlife as her friends cry over her body. The end. No moral.

coolusername
Aug 23, 2011

cooltitletext

Randalor posted:

Jerrek pulls off his face like a mask, revealing a psychopomp and reveals that the entire comic after this page was Annie's dying dream as she lay broken and bleeding out after she fell off the bridge. The psychopomp escorts her spirit to the afterlife as her friends cry over her body. The end. No moral.

If the other option is a continuing romantic farce with a transformed formed father figure into a bad boy teenager, gently caress it, I’ll take the “all a dying dream” option. Slap a rosebud down and call it a day.

catapede
Jul 1, 2018

Eatin' fish leaves
Gettin' strong
Plot... I'm sorry things didn't work out between us.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Randalor posted:

Jerrek pulls off his face like a mask, revealing a psychopomp and reveals that the entire comic after this page was Annie's dying dream as she lay broken and bleeding out after she fell off the bridge. The psychopomp escorts her spirit to the afterlife as her friends cry over her body. The end. No moral.

Man, I know we talk about the awful writing a lot, but looking back it also stands out to me how much better the art was once upon a time.

Less refined, as you'd expect of someone with years fewer practice, but the posing, scene-setting, and panel work are all better. Really adds weight to the argument that Tom is just creatively wrung dry on the project.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

God, I just realized the last page of that chapter still defines the core arc of GC to me, somewhere in the back of my mind.

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Pseudoscorpion
Jul 26, 2011


Oh thank god.

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