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Payndz posted:Eh, it was okay. Haven't watched it for years, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adjuOPzkpw4
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FX2 had the cue ball kill, right? I love that trap!
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WoodrowSkillson posted:FX2 on the other hand is a masterpiece You're right, the Fast X sequel should use a less confusing abbreviation, how about FFX-2?
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I guess maybe this can go in here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv1nfDIJ9kU It doesn't look particularly good but it could just have some neat fights in it.
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The other thing about Extraction: Nik needs her own spinoff, she's rad as hell.
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I've been rewatching some of Cinemax's dearly departed Strike Back and I had forgotten how strong their action is. Especially for a tv show its bonkers how well designed most scenes are. We're not talking Warrior or Banshee levels of quality but hey, that's a ludicrously high bar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzPP4K9-2dg
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Strike Back is one of my favorite shows and I am due a rewatch. The action rules and you can actually see how weapons/gear evolved as the show progresses thanks to Iraq and Afghanistan. Also the guy that plays Stonebridge easily has the best pistol handling out of any other actor out there. You can tell he really put in a ton of work
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Edge of Tomorrow is a really good movie. The person who named it is probably sleeping with the fishies. With gabagool.
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The Corridor Crew guys had a stuntman/director on who was part of John Wick and other big action pieces and he proclaimed his love for digital muzzle flashes and digital blood because it's "so much easier", so we're probably stuck with this poo poo forever.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The Corridor Crew guys had a stuntman/director on who was part of John Wick and other big action pieces and he proclaimed his love for digital muzzle flashes and digital blood because it's "so much easier", so we're probably stuck with this poo poo forever. Considering what happened on Rust, I think that's how things are just going to be. Think of it as just a worker safety measure that's long overdue.
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trevorreznik posted:Considering what happened on Rust, I think that's how things are just going to be. Think of it as just a worker safety measure that's long overdue. By this insanely stupid logic Hollywood should have started using nothing but miniatures for vehicle stunts after the Twilight Zone incident.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:By this insanely stupid logic Hollywood should have started using nothing but miniatures for vehicle stunts after the Twilight Zone incident. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/john-wick-filmmaker-chad-stahelski-sequels-oscar-stunt-snubs-firearms-1235343132/ Guys like Stahelski are probably going to lead the phaseout quote:My feeling is that there’s no reason to have a live firearm on set. We can create cities and spaceships and Godzilla and all these things. We have the technology to do the same with firearms. But, for the last 100 years, Hollywood’s been using real firearms. And for prop houses, armorers or supply houses to switch over, it would make their entire stock of real firearms useless. It comes down to the fact that it would cost certain people a great deal of money to switch over. No one wants to say that, but that’s the real reason. You don’t need firearms. The alternative is just going to cost you more money.
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I mean it makes sense. Clean up time and resets gently caress with everyone and having to do elaborate choreography AND also worry about that squib going off is probably honestly not worth it. My only stipulation is use blood squibs when you’re not doing cool stunt moves. Idgaf about muzzle flashes. Ban guns period. Use little toys that light up and recoil and eject little plastic bits.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The Corridor Crew guys had a stuntman/director on who was part of John Wick and other big action pieces and he proclaimed his love for digital muzzle flashes and digital blood because it's "so much easier", so we're probably stuck with this poo poo forever. When done well it's fine and no one should be put at risk when there are viable alternatives to using blanks. My issue with extraction 2 was there are several instances where the muzzle flash isn't lined up properly with the muzzle and it's pretty jaring. It's really noticable in scenes were a SAW or minigun is fired.
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I want to make it clear that if they absolutely want to move to digital muzzle flashes I'm much more sympathetic, but if that's the case they need to start figuring out how to make a fake gun that kicks because it looks like poo poo right now. Digital blood is almost always pure garbage. Do squibs. It may be harder and more expensive but the end result is worth it.
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When it's good you don't know it's CGI, and Wick, etc don't distract with lovely effects. Although drat I wish they'd have more gunsmoke.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I want to make it clear that if they absolutely want to move to digital muzzle flashes I'm much more sympathetic, but if that's the case they need to start figuring out how to make a fake gun that kicks because it looks like poo poo right now. Yeah it feels putting the effort into making a practical and entirely safe option is the best compromise. More expensive sure, but there’s definitely a market for this to be developed.
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digital blood looks like poo poo, as do computer muzzle effects. spend the money on safety
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Remulak posted:When it's good you don't know it's CGI, and Wick, etc don't distract with lovely effects. Although drat I wish they'd have more gunsmoke. Yea I think it's worth keeping in mind that all CG blood/muzzle flash effects aren't created equal. When it's lovely it's distracting, I've never felt it was the least bit distracting in any of the John Wick films.
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It (usually) doesn't look as good but I'm fine with it as a trade-off for the more complicated set-ups you see in movies like Wick. Like anything else it can just be lazy but it's a tool
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The Raid is one of the greatest action movies ever and they mostly used air soft guns with action essentials plugged in.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Digital blood is almost always pure garbage. Do squibs. It may be harder and more expensive but the end result is worth it. WoodrowSkillson posted:digital blood looks like poo poo, as do computer muzzle effects. spend the money on safety Guys ur so dumb if u just put mario AND sonic in the same game it will sell 99999999 copies just DO it omg
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CelticPredator posted:The Raid is one of the greatest action movies ever and they mostly used air soft guns with action essentials plugged in. A lot of the Korean action movies use airsoft as well. I think those are fantastic alternatives to real firearms since you can get recoil/slide movement. I honestly don't mind digital blood that much oddly enough.
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Cage posted:lol the gently caress are you talking about lol
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WoodrowSkillson posted:the gently caress are you talking about lol 
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Cage posted:You talking about how Movie Industries Company® should do more expensive and harder and complicated things because you're not impressed and had a better idea. It was just funny. Squibs have literally been around for years so we have a great idea of what they look like vs. digital blood. This is literally people saying "Thing A vs Thing B: I like Thing A". If you're laughing your rear end off at that go ahead and have a ball but it's not very interesting to the rest of us.
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I like og robocop too but its not gonna take long until the goofy vfx catches up to wick levels. You guys were less "I like x over y" and more "They should just do squibs"
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I mean when people gently caress up the work with CGI it looks a little silly, and when people gently caress up firearm safety people die.....sooooo yeah, gently caress it. No more firearms on set, seems fair.
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Martial arts action > pew pew gun action anyway. Just make action movies like they made them in Hong Kong in the 80's, much safer than guns!
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Cage posted:I like og robocop too but its not gonna take long until the goofy vfx catches up to wick levels. I don't know where that confidence is coming from. Outside of a handful of movies, special effects look worse today than they did 10 years ago. edit: Mulva posted:I mean when people gently caress up the work with CGI it looks a little silly, and when people gently caress up firearm safety people die.....sooooo yeah, gently caress it. No more firearms on set, seems fair. No more fall stunts or vehicle stunts then either, because people have died from those. This is a real stupid thing to say but people keep doing it.
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Digital blood is so they don't have to decide if the movie is PG or R until after they're done filming and marketing runs the numbers.
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Mulva posted:I mean when people gently caress up the work with CGI it looks a little silly, and when people gently caress up firearm safety people die.....sooooo yeah, gently caress it. No more firearms on set, seems fair. 2 people have died in the last 30 years. 1 in such an insane chain of events that no one was even charged, and one due to blatant neglect. Stunts hurt/kill far more people. We can CGI in fake actors so should we ban all in person fight scenes and stunts? Sure we can sanitize the process so there is no risk, but at the cost of the medium itself becoming even less interesting. There are countless people willing to take the risks involved to make cool movies, what they deserve is proper protection via regulation. Regulations Baldwin was skirting to avoid the requirements the Brandon Lee incident made mandatory on union film sets.
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Grendels Dad posted:Martial arts action > pew pew gun action anyway. Just make action movies like they made them in Hong Kong in the 80's, much safer than guns! Some of the best Hong Kong stuff is a mix of both though. Like that movie Tiger Cage that we were talking about a few pages ago, it has one of the wildest shootouts I've ever seen. WoodrowSkillson posted:Sure we can sanitize the process so there is no risk, but at the cost of the medium itself becoming even less interesting. There are countless people willing to take the risks involved to make cool movies, what they deserve is proper protection via regulation. Regulations Baldwin was skirting to avoid the requirements the Brandon Lee incident made mandatory on union film sets. Yea the main thing was that Rust cut corners and hired an incompetent non-union armorer. Like, there's nothing complicated about what happened on that set. They straight up had live rounds sitting around the set and the gun that was used in the accident had been taken out for target shooting by some cast members to pass the time. Then when it was brought back and they went to use the gun with the live round in it for the scene, they failed to do the proper checks you're supposed to do to make sure that the gun being fired is empty. It's just not gonna happen like that on any set where you have people who know what they're doing. That's the lesson, the regulations need to be followed because they've been very effective at keeping people safe. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Jun 20, 2023 |
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I mean I guess it's irrelevant what anyone but those that do the work think, and those that do the work seem to....be getting rid of firearms on set  "Your personal safety is getting in the way of my action verisimilitude." is a weird hill to die on, but not the weirdest hill this forum has had. Have fun with it.
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Grendels Dad posted:Martial arts action > pew pew gun action anyway. Just make action movies like they made them in Hong Kong in the 80's, much safer than guns! HK movies could do martial arts and had real guns. Truly the peak of human cultural development
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Mulva posted:I mean I guess it's irrelevant what anyone but those that do the work think, and those that do the work seem to....be getting rid of firearms on set those people are operating in the current context of reduced budgets for things like squibs, blanks, stunt people, safety, etc and so in that context they would rather just say gently caress it and get rid of the hassle and i don't blame them.
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Teenagers shooting films in their backyard can do squibs, it's not a limiting factor for a 100 million dollar movie. Similarly, thousands of movies made over a century have used real guns firing blanks, it's not a real safety concern unless you're criminally negligent like Alec Baldwin, in which case you should be in prison. Rubber guns with fake muzzle flashes and digital blood look like poo poo and make movies worst. Might as well argue that there shouldn't be stunts in film because we can do cgi now.
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Mulva posted:"Your personal safety is getting in the way of my action verisimilitude." is a weird hill to die on, but not the weirdest hill this forum has had. Have fun with it. Squibs don't look like real gunshot wounds so this is a stupid point to make in a conversation that's full of stupid points. This thread has now turned into the Internet Two-Step: 1) There's no actual difference it what we're discussing (digital looks exactly like real, or if it doesn't it soon will) 2) My opponent's desire has an element of moral degeneracy (oh, so you want to have stuntmen die for your action mans movies?) So because we're discussing two identical outcomes, and my opponent wants the one that hurts people, I'm a good person and they're bad and I'm right and they're wrong. gently caress off with this poo poo. So loving tedious that this stupid tactic moved from the realm of political twitter dunking to everything.
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quit gettin' mad about movies e: wait the fake one-er in Extraction 2 is TWENTY-ONE MINUTES long?? VROOM VROOM fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Jun 20, 2023 |
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