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are we hyped about a double dissolution itt or nah
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Jun 19, 2023 05:04
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BrigadierSensible posted:Unrelated edit: Do you reckon that ScoMo still has hid "I stopped these" trophy that he made for himself? And is it displayed as proudly? Will he keep that on his mantlepiece long into his old age? Absolutely, and I'd give even money odds he'll be buried with it.
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Jun 19, 2023 05:21
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:are we hyped about a double dissolution itt or nah Seems pretty unlikely?
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Jun 19, 2023 06:51
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The Greens can get hosed on this one IMO. Private rent freezing is a pretty fringe policy, and holding up incremental progress on public housing for it is a slap in the face to anyone who is currently homeless (and whose situation therefore won’t be improved by a freeze on private rents anyway).
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Jun 19, 2023 06:54
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The Dirtiest Harry posted:The Greens can get hosed on this one IMO. Private rent freezing is a pretty fringe policy, and holding up incremental progress on public housing for it is a slap in the face to anyone who is currently homeless (and whose situation therefore won’t be improved by a freeze on private rents anyway). is the rent freeze the sole condition for them holding it up? if so i agree with you but from what ive seen of it labors package is not really incremental progress on attaining more public housing anyway. fwiw qld labor have been loving useless on this front as well but im not super stoked on the greens insistance on a rent freeze on that level either, blatent self interest aside
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Jun 19, 2023 07:32
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Having homes people can afford to live in is a fringe position in modern politics.
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Jun 19, 2023 07:40
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Holding a DD against the Greens would just benefit the Greens because then they get to campaign on why Labor is being dogshit and probably increase their HoR and Senate seats as a result. Labor pulling a DD to campaign on their lukewarm actions against inflation and housing affordability will only cause Green gains, thus a DD won't happen.
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Jun 19, 2023 07:41
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:is the rent freeze the sole condition for them holding it up? if so i agree with you but from what ive seen of it labors package is not really incremental progress on attaining more public housing anyway. fwiw qld labor have been loving useless on this front as well but im not super stoked on the greens insistance on a rent freeze on that level either, blatent self interest aside There were two public conditions stated most recently. One was they wanted $2.5b to be spent acquiring existing houses to then let out as public housing, the second was a rent freeze (as the commonwealth has no jurisdiction here, the mechanism was supposed to be $1B to be made available to each state and territory if they passed some sort of rent freeze policy. Source for the above: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/greens-scale-back-demands-for-labor-social-housing-bill/5fvy8qvrx Labor publicly agreed to most of condition 1, by announcing 2b (so not 2.5 but close enough, it’s politics so everyone has to look like they won a little) to be spent immediately on social housing. They didn’t agree to the rent freeze thing. Source https://theguardian.com/australia-n...enate-stalemate The Greens primary complaint overall was that this is only set to deliver 6,000 social housing dwellings per year over 5 years (so about 16 families housed per day) and That’s Just Not Good Enough. And yes, I am kinda mad about this, because I hate it when people let perfect be the enemy of good. The Dirtiest Harry fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Jun 19, 2023 |
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Jun 19, 2023 07:44
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The labor policy is shittier than it seems at first glance because it’s not actually $10 billion to be spent on housing; it’s $10 billion to be put in an investment fund (ie the stock market) and the income generated from that fund being spent on housing each year. That could be as little as $0 in a bad year if the stock market goes down. The greens need to play hardball because that’s the only way they can push labor into doing more (something they’ve already done across multiple issues). If Labor thinks they’ll just make a little noise but then obediently give in on anything then they lose any leverage they might have to push for change.
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Jun 19, 2023 08:00
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:is the rent freeze the sole condition for them holding it up? if so i agree with you but from what ive seen of it labors package is not really incremental progress on attaining more public housing anyway. fwiw qld labor have been loving useless on this front as well but im not super stoked on the greens insistance on a rent freeze on that level either, blatent self interest aside the main objective now is to pressure labor to secure a rental increase cap (not the rent freeze which they had previously been campaigning for) in upcoming national cabinet negotiations, which is something albanese has already stated will be under consideration. this is the only leverage the greens have, so they're going to use it. https://twitter.com/MChandlerMather/status/1670632999640252421 labor's housing fund wouldn't even deliver returns to be spent on housing for a while anyway, so delaying it a little is hardly holding up housing spending, especially now that labor just announced $2 billion in upfront spending on housing. if labor wants to spend more on housing immediately like they just did, no one is stopping them from doing that. the housing fund is a longer-term strategy but is totally inadequate on its own The Lord Bude posted:The labor policy is shittier than it seems at first glance because it’s not actually $10 billion to be spent on housing; it’s $10 billion to be put in an investment fund (ie the stock market) and the income generated from that fund being spent on housing each year. That could be as little as $0 in a bad year if the stock market goes down. lih fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Jun 19, 2023 |
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Jun 19, 2023 08:01
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The Lord Bude posted:The labor policy is shittier than it seems at first glance because it’s not actually $10 billion to be spent on housing; it’s $10 billion to be put in an investment fund (ie the stock market) and the income generated from that fund being spent on housing each year. That could be as little as $0 in a bad year if the stock market goes down. This makes it sustainable and harder for future governments to defund (my understanding is it would require legislation rather than an administrative budgetary change.) It doesn’t prevent the Greens (and others) from advocating for even more public housing funding. What it does mean is that any time the future fund makes returns (and feel free to check out its historic performance) we get more public housing. Forever. Well, it doesn’t now, because it’s dead.
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Jun 19, 2023 08:08
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it's not dead (it will likely pass in october if national cabinet comes up with anything decent for renters), and it wasn't really for public housing - the intent was largely to use it to fund rent subsidies for "affordable" (below market rate) housing. some of it may go to public housing but likely very little. how exactly are the greens supposed to secure more funding for public housing by giving up the only leverage they have to pressure labor to do better?
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Jun 19, 2023 08:21
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As far as I can tell in the legislation, the requirement is only that a Minister MAY make a grant from the HAFF.
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Jun 19, 2023 08:21
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The Dirtiest Harry posted:This makes it sustainable and harder for future governments to defund (my understanding is it would require legislation rather than an administrative budgetary change.) It doesn’t prevent the Greens (and others) from advocating for even more public housing funding. People can advocate things till the cows come home, it doesn’t achieve jack poo poo. If the greens want to actually achieve something, they need to show that they won’t just rubber stamp anything labor decides to do. At the end of the day, only the party that holds government can actually do things; so if other parties want to get something done they need to be prepared to grab the government by the balls. Labor was doing the absolute bare minimum, as result of the pressure the greens are applying they’ve already committed to doing much more. Not to mention hammering labor on how milquetoast they are is a vote winner and ultimately getting more greens into parliament will result in better governance in the long run. A DD would be a massive win for the greens because it will be much easier for them to get extra senators. Labor doesn’t have the balls to actually call a DD though. My bet is they eventually capitulate a little more, and the greens eventually agree to support the housing bill
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Jun 19, 2023 08:25
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The Dirtiest Harry posted:This makes it sustainable and harder for future governments to defund (my understanding is it would require legislation rather than an administrative budgetary change.) It doesn’t prevent the Greens (and others) from advocating for even more public housing funding. lol ok albo
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Jun 19, 2023 08:27
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a double dissolution wouldn't be easier for the greens to gain extra senators (their vote would need to be much higher to have a chance of getting three senators in one state at a double dissolution, probably at least 19%), but there would be nothing in it for labor in terms of having an easier path in the senate either. talk of one is just bluster
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Jun 19, 2023 08:28
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why wont the greens just lay down and let labor do their job
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Jun 19, 2023 08:35
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BrigadierSensible posted:Unrelated edit: Do you reckon that ScoMo still has hid "I stopped these" trophy that he made for himself? And is it displayed as proudly? Will he keep that on his mantlepiece long into his old age? Hopefully someone gave him a new one about LNP election victories.
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Jun 19, 2023 08:37
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 why do they keep coming here? 
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Jun 19, 2023 08:45
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Non Compos Mentis posted:why wont the greens just lay down and let labor do their job seriously has this guy actually read the Labor legislation because it's weak as piss The Greens are doing what they were elected to do, which is to drag these cunts to the left where they should have been for the past 20 years
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Jun 19, 2023 08:53
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I'd like to point out the Greens want 2.5B per year for social housing, and Labor has offered a one off spend of 2B. This isn't even enough to deal with the massive loving backlog of houses that need to be built to properly fix social housing in this country. Whilst compromising is good for some things, in this case taking what is offered and then pushing for more feels bad. Labor will just say 'we did that, move on' and as it stands no one's looking at the Greens and saying they're holding up social housing.
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Jun 19, 2023 08:57
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Synthbuttrange posted:
same reason those poor south african farmers came here
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Jun 19, 2023 08:57
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Non Compos Mentis posted:same reason those poor south african farmers came here It's actually because Victoria is a Chinese communist dictatorship and they go to where the battles are.
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Jun 19, 2023 09:04
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JBP posted:It's actually because Victoria is a Chinese communist dictatorship and they go to where the battles are. I thought the South Africans mostly go to Perth?
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Jun 19, 2023 09:05
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The Lord Bude posted:I thought the South Africans mostly go to Perth? Yeah them and poms. I'm referring to the poster.
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Jun 19, 2023 09:11
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Konomex posted:I'd like to point out the Greens want 2.5B per year for social housing, and Labor has offered a one off spend of 2B. This isn't even enough to deal with the massive loving backlog of houses that need to be built to properly fix social housing in this country. Incorrect: Idiots are looking at the greens and saying they're holding up social housing.
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Jun 19, 2023 09:59
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The ABC reports Labor is seriously considering a Double Dissolution election to set a mandate for both the Housing Future Fund and to add momentum to the faltering Yes Campaign.
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Jun 19, 2023 10:41
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Anidav posted:The ABC reports Labor is seriously considering a Double Dissolution election to set a mandate for both the Housing Future Fund and to add momentum to the faltering Yes Campaign. Why would you jokingly consider it
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Jun 19, 2023 10:47
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Anidav posted:The ABC reports Labor is seriously considering a Double Dissolution election to set a mandate for both the Housing Future Fund and to add momentum to the faltering Yes Campaign. oh god you werent kidding
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Jun 19, 2023 11:35
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don farrell said some stuff threatening a double dissolution (basically just noting that delaying the bill could be a step towards double dissolution trigger) but it's just bluster. it makes zero sense for labor unless they want to have an early election to secure a larger majority while they're well ahead in the polls, but it won't change the senate dynamic with the greens
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Jun 19, 2023 11:43
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JBP posted:Why would you jokingly consider it you have to admit itd be a good laugh
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Jun 19, 2023 12:05
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Anidav posted:The ABC reports Labor is seriously considering a Double Dissolution election to set a mandate for both the Housing Future Fund and to add momentum to the faltering Yes Campaign. what the gently caress why would they do this
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Jun 19, 2023 12:09
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they won't and if they do and the election is this year imma cut some bitches the gently caress up
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Jun 19, 2023 12:39
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Centrist liberals insulting leftists as spoiled, demanding children, for whom nothing is ever good enough, has always been blatant projection.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Centrist liberals insulting leftists as spoiled, demanding children, for whom nothing is ever good enough, has always been blatant projection. fyi our prime minister grew up in public housing on the dole and probably did quaaludes or something else cool that doesn't exist anymore
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Jun 19, 2023 13:43
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Autisanal Cheese posted:what the gently caress why would they do this Mandates, apparently.
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Jun 19, 2023 22:32
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hooman posted:Incorrect: Idiots are looking at the greens and saying they're holding up social housing. Idiots who weren't going to vote for Greens anyway, no political loses there
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Jun 20, 2023 01:00
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Konomex posted:Idiots who weren't going to vote for Greens anyway, no political loses there QFT. If you're enough of a mouth breather to buy into that spin, the media has already poisoned that well beyond redemption. Anidav posted:Mandates, apparently. Labor will absolutely not call a double dissolution election. In fact if there was an open market on sportsbet for it, I would literally put money on it. Nothing but bluster to try and pressure the greens, and I am proud of them for holding firm and forcing labor to do actually good things instead of *nothing* things. The problem with housing exists right now, and the solutions need to address both the problem right now and the problem long term. Not Labor's original policy of doing nothing right now, and maybe doing something long term if the stock market goes up and the investment pays off, and they're still in government, and they feel like it.
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John, a landlord from Valley View who called into ABC Radio Adelaide, said the government should "butt out" of people's private affairs. "That is my business, and if you keep butting into my private affairs, I will sell that property and I will buy a motorhome and I will go travelling and there will be one less property out there for rentals," he said.
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