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smoobles
Sep 4, 2014

also the more I think about it, there's no way they were at the ocean floor. If they didn't implode, it would've been a power or comms failure, and they would have dropped the ballast (which can be done with or without power)

they either died instantly, or at the surface, I think.

should've installed a GPS beacon ya dinguses

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Windows 98
Nov 13, 2005

HTTP 400: Bad post

All You Can Eat posted:

Movie rights secured. The best minds at the studio are figuring out how to make a cinematic universe of this.

It will be a real short movie...

Grey Cat
Jun 3, 2023

Doing stuff and things


smoobles posted:

also the more I think about it, there's no way they were at the ocean floor. If they didn't implode, it would've been a power or comms failure, and they would have dropped the ballast (which can be done with or without power)

they either died instantly, or at the surface, I think.

should've installed a GPS beacon ya dinguses

Except the bit where they've had issues dropping the ballast before.

Death By SnuSnu
Jun 7, 2007
Compare your lives to mine and kill yourselves.

SchrodingersCat posted:

Just remember, the next time you swim in the ocean and accidentally swallow some water you finally get to eat the rich.

Damnit now I'm conflicted!

smoobles
Sep 4, 2014

Grey Cat posted:

Except the bit where they've had issues dropping the ballast before.

I read that they had a set of auto dropping ballasts attached to some kind of dissolving material, so the sub would rise even if everyone was passed out.

Warm und Fuzzy
Jun 20, 2006

Alan Smithee posted:

if we eat Atlantic seafood is there a chance we'll be eating people :ohdear:

Fish eating canned people??

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

O2

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

Oh, Larry's great fun...



Love this TV show and hate Graham Linehan for making me think of him everytime

Attack on Princess
Dec 15, 2008

To yolo rolls! The cause and solution to all problems!

Windows 98 posted:

It will be a real short movie...

All of Snyder's work has lead up to this moment, turning a 100ms disaster into a feature length movie.

Grey Cat
Jun 3, 2023

Doing stuff and things


smoobles posted:

I read that they had a set of auto dropping ballasts attached to some kind of dissolving material, so the sub would rise even if everyone was passed out.

Sorry but those lines cost too much money, just use the nylon and we'll rock the capsule to get them off.

wilderthanmild
Jun 21, 2010

Posting shit




Grimey Drawer

smoobles posted:

they would have dropped the ballast (which can be done with or without power)

You've made the fatal mistake of thinking they can easily drop the ballast like a normal sub. To drop the ballast in this terrible sub they needed to get the sub to rock around until the weights fell off. It wasn't like just pull a lever and drop the big weight, it was move around and hope enough small weights fall off and they'd had problems with it before.

Hell, in normal operation this thing wasn't even supposed to surface on its own, it was supposed to dock with the platform thing for the last 100m or so, probably because their method to deballast the sub was SO bad.

There's literally so many things wrong with this sub that we actually have no idea what happened.

Wee
Dec 16, 2022

by Fluffdaddy
Does a carbon fiber tube shattering like glass make a detectable sound like a steel one would.

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



I'm upset with all of yous

Grey Cat
Jun 3, 2023

Doing stuff and things


Since it's happened before to the Russians, there's a nonzero chance they could have gotten tangled in a fishing net.

SwissDonkey
Mar 29, 2007

It would be incredibly funny if this washed up on a beach somewhere in a few months fully intact

Rip Testes
Jan 29, 2004

I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception.
Probably another red flag is taking a ride with the CEO himself who maybe viewed himself a hotshot and was prone to showboating more than any of the other pilots. I think about that B-52 crash in 1994 where the hotshot pilot flew too low and at an extreme bank angle and ate it along with his crew. He had a history of performing risky maneuvers and if I remember correctly some other officer rode along to oversee his behavior on that doomed flight. Maybe that was the role of the french dood that was aboard Titan.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


All You Can Eat posted:

Movie rights secured. The best minds at the studio are figuring out how to make a cinematic universe of this.

If this isn't a job for James Cameron I don't know what is.

Death By SnuSnu
Jun 7, 2007
Compare your lives to mine and kill yourselves.

Wee posted:

Does a carbon fiber tube shattering like glass make a detectable sound like a steel one would.

I read some news article that said it'd be "heard for miles". However I don't think anyone has actually heard a carbon fiber sub imploding under 4000m of water so I think it's just a guess.

Grey Cat
Jun 3, 2023

Doing stuff and things


Death By SnuSnu posted:

I read some news article that said it'd be "heard for miles". However I don't think anyone has actually heard a carbon fiber sub imploding under 4000m of water so I think it's just a guess.

if it's loud enough to hear in air for miles it'd be even easier to hear underwater

Droogie
Mar 21, 2007

But what I do
I do
because I like to do.




smoobles posted:

I read that they had a set of auto dropping ballasts attached to some kind of dissolving material, so the sub would rise even if everyone was passed out.

The dissolving material is likely just steel chain based off of everythingwe know so far. So it'll dissolve. Eventually.

Death By SnuSnu
Jun 7, 2007
Compare your lives to mine and kill yourselves.

Grey Cat posted:

if it's loud enough to hear in air for miles it'd be even easier to hear underwater

Wouldn't it be exploding in the air? Not imploding? I feel like that's a different sound

mds2
Apr 8, 2004


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I can not believe the complete and total lack of engineering in how this thing seals. I’m with the guy in the video, I highly doubt this thing has ever made it down that far before.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



wilderthanmild posted:

You've made the fatal mistake of thinking they can easily drop the ballast like a normal sub. To drop the ballast in this terrible sub they needed to get the sub to rock around until the weights fell off. It wasn't like just pull a lever and drop the big weight, it was move around and hope enough small weights fall off and they'd had problems with it before.

Hell, in normal operation this thing wasn't even supposed to surface on its own, it was supposed to dock with the platform thing for the last 100m or so, probably because their method to deballast the sub was SO bad.

There's literally so many things wrong with this sub that we actually have no idea what happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tefHYLCEbAA

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

wilderthanmild posted:

You've made the fatal mistake of thinking they can easily drop the ballast like a normal sub. To drop the ballast in this terrible sub they needed to get the sub to rock around until the weights fell off. It wasn't like just pull a lever and drop the big weight, it was move around and hope enough small weights fall off and they'd had problems with it before.

Hell, in normal operation this thing wasn't even supposed to surface on its own, it was supposed to dock with the platform thing for the last 100m or so, probably because their method to deballast the sub was SO bad.


People keep saying this but in that Mexican youtuber's video they release it using the gamepad. Where did people get that idea? I can't find a source for it.

Mind you, it definitely wouldn't surprise me if it was true considering everything else.

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

smoobles posted:

I read that they had a set of auto dropping ballasts attached to some kind of dissolving material, so the sub would rise even if everyone was passed out.

I'm sure that was designed and calibrated with the same attention to detail they brought to everything else in the design.

Grey Cat
Jun 3, 2023

Doing stuff and things


mds2 posted:

I can not believe the complete and total lack of engineering in how this thing seals. I’m with the guy in the video, I highly doubt this thing has ever made it down that far before.

It has made it to the titanic 3 times. POSSIBLY 4.

Wee
Dec 16, 2022

by Fluffdaddy

wilderthanmild posted:

You've made the fatal mistake of thinking they can easily drop the ballast like a normal sub. To drop the ballast in this terrible sub they needed to get the sub to rock around until the weights fell off. It wasn't like just pull a lever and drop the big weight, it was move around and hope enough small weights fall off and they'd had problems with it before.

Hell, in normal operation this thing wasn't even supposed to surface on its own, it was supposed to dock with the platform thing for the last 100m or so, probably because their method to deballast the sub was SO bad.

There's literally so many things wrong with this sub that we actually have no idea what happened.

Supposedly the ballast was meant to auto release after 24hrs.



quote:

Crew members are told they can release the ballast by rocking the ship or use a pneumatic pump to knock the weights free, Newman said. If all else fails, he said, the lines securing the ballast are designed to fall apart after 24 hours to automatically send it back to the ocean’s surface.

Titan’s thrusters are powered by an external electrical system, while an internal system powers communications and a heater, Newman said.

Separately, Discovery Channel host Josh Gates, who went on a test dive on the Titan in 2021, said he learned that year that there were four ways for the vessel to shed weight and bring it back up to the surface in the case of an emergency.

There is a computer-controlled weight release, a manual-valve system that injects air into exterior ballast containers, a hydraulic system to drop weights and an ability to detach from the sled attached to the submersible and help move the vessel back to the surface.

So I guess...

1) All of this hosed up at once/it didn't work at all.

2) It never even existed

or

3) It imploded within the first 24 hours.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

smoobles posted:

Just alive one moment, gone the next, with no concept of it happening
as far as ways to die in horrific accidents go that sounds pretty good

Grey Cat
Jun 3, 2023

Doing stuff and things


Death By SnuSnu posted:

Wouldn't it be exploding in the air? Not imploding? I feel like that's a different sound

You can make things implode in air, plenty of videos in the thread of examples already, it's very loud when lots of air is displaced when an object suddenly loses volume, it's sides rapidly hitting each other. The sub at those depths would have imploded even harder than anything achieved by a hollow container on the surface.

Tijuana-A-Go-Go
Aug 2, 2019

Doggles Aficionado


Elman posted:

People keep saying this but in that Mexican youtuber's video they release it using the gamepad. Where did people get that idea? I can't find a source for it.

Mind you, it definitely wouldn't surprise me if it was true considering everything else.

Isn't that the video that shows them wanting to drop one sandbag from the left-(or right)-hand-side, but instead it dropped two from both sides? Could be that they realised that the electronic method was unreliable so they went with good ol' fashioned human power

Hobo Clown
Oct 16, 2012

Here it is, Baby.
Your killer track.




The billionaires are alive but imprisoned after accidentally stumbling upon Karl Stromberg's Atlantis base. Only Elon Musk in an underwater Cybertruck can save them!!

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

yeh he's right that the game controller loling is bit of a gimmick lol, bc even the loving army uses game controllers so like. it's just considered a legit way to source parts for your rolling and floaty machines nowadays. its not like the controller has to handle thousands of pounds of pressure, it just has to be able to steer something.

game controllers went from something to kill NPCs to something used to kill real people and steer tanks like 15 years ago

Demon Of The Fall
May 1, 2004

Nap Ghost
my theory is the sub made it to the bottom and while moving around got caught on something, and that is the banging sounds heard on sonar. the sub then either eventually imploded after a bit or the guys were alive and then froze to death within a few hours

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

Tijuana-A-Go-Go posted:

Isn't that the video that shows them wanting to drop one sandbag from the left-(or right)-hand-side, but instead it dropped two from both sides? Could be that they realised that the electronic method was unreliable so they went with good ol' fashioned human power

Nah it seems like the tourist thought he dropped two but it was only cause he saw the same one on two different cameras.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Demon Of The Fall posted:

my theory is the sub made it to the bottom and while moving around got caught on something, and that is the banging sounds heard on sonar. the sub then either eventually imploded after a bit or the guys were alive and then froze to death within a few hours

oh man if the banging is just the sub floating in the current whacking into the Titanic parts, that's some haunted poo poo

Droogie
Mar 21, 2007

But what I do
I do
because I like to do.




Maybe something got caught in one of the apparently unshielded thrusters. Birdstrike of the sea.

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.
Apparently it's rhythmic and consistently timed which is why they think it's human created

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Wee posted:

Does a carbon fiber tube shattering like glass make a detectable sound like a steel one would.

It seems to make a pretty good bang & then compress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iedj9OZlEfI
(about 9mins 40secs in)

If the sub imploded they are gonna be a small bundle of goo wrapped in carbon fibre matting.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Seth Pecksniff posted:

Apparently it's rhythmic and consistently timed which is why they think it's human created

What kind of rhythms are we talking about here?

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turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

StrangersInTheNight posted:

yeh he's right that the game controller loling is bit of a gimmick lol, bc even the loving army uses game controllers so like. it's just considered a legit way to source parts for your rolling and floaty machines nowadays. its not like the controller has to handle thousands of pounds of pressure, it just has to be able to steer something.

game controllers went from something to kill NPCs to something used to kill real people and steer tanks like 15 years ago

i do not think that the army uses 30 dollar controllers from logitech

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