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steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

RDM posted:

The Russian government is using the war to help ethnically cleanse their own undesirable minorities, by conscripting all of them and sending them to die in place of the valuable ethnic Russians who are untouchable/have temporarily moved to Finland.

As long as the Russian leadership views their dead soldiers as part of the plan I don't think the disposition of the corpses is really the problem.

It's quite amazing that Russia decided to make the hunger games real, except even more stupid.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:05

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# ? May 30, 2024 05:46

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

https://worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/russia-not-counting-war-dead

Here's a good article

quote:

Since the beginning of the war in Ukraine, the Russian Defense Ministry has reported casualties of its soldiers only twice: On March 2, 498 servicemen were reported dead, 1,597 wounded. On March 25, 1,351 soldiers were reported dead, 3,825 wounded.

Western intelligence had estimated in mid-March that 7,000 Russian soldiers had been killed, while Ukraine has recently cited a figure of more than 17,000 dead.

Because of the high intensity of hostilities, verification of these figures is now virtually impossible. However, even if guided by an average estimation of U.S. intelligence, Russian army losses in the war in Ukraine in just one month would exceed those that the Soviet army reported throughout the entire 10-year war in Afghanistan (1979-1989). The Kremlin�s official data for that conflict, from 1979 to 1989 was 14,453 servicemen killed.

Separate confirmed data, both on the deaths of individual Russian generals and the counting of damaged Russian military equipment � both far easier to count than foot soldiers � indicate that military losses of the Russian army are always much higher than the government claims.

So what explains the Russian Defense Ministry hiding data on military deaths? Is it for the sake of maintaining morale in the army? Instead, the ultimate explanation is about the concept of victory at any cost. This is the message conveyed for more than 70 years by the Soviets and the later Russian government. Victory in World War II, and the holiday of May 9, grows each year more and more like a celebration than a day of remembrance � more of a carnival, than a time for memorials and mourning � even if the total death count is believed to exceed 26 million, including 12 million soldiers.

Victory, in the psyche of the Kremlin, is more important than its price in millions of human lives. There are no individual heroes, just the cause of the nation.

The Afghan war, historians agree, helped accelerate the collapse of the Soviet Union, precisely because victory was out of the question. Mothers and wives simply received death notices, without any proud funerals of Soviet soldiers killed somewhere far away for some unknown reason. When these quiet funerals began to multiply by the thousands, it was impossible to hide the failure of the war effort.

The scars of this war remained with all Soviet people. Everyone had a friend who was a veteran of Afghanistan. The Afghan war became part of Soviet culture, entered the music and cinematography, and lodged itself deep in the memory. It was the Soviet Vietnam.

Russian unions of Afghan veterans are still struggling to recover data on the missing. According to Soviet tradition, the army kept strict records of the dead, even if they were never made public. At the cost of their lives, the surviving soldiers carried the bodies of the dead from the battlefields and sent them back home, giving their relatives a chance to say goodbye.

In Chechnya, we would see more obfuscation on casualties. For the first Chechen war, 1994-96, the Russian edition of Kavkaz.Realii wrote how Russian Defense Minister Pavel Grachev had vowed to take Grozny, the capital of Chechnya, in two hours by employing a single paratrooper regiment. The war dragged on for almost two years and claimed thousands of lives on both sides. Official Russian data says some 5,000 soldiers died, but according to the Union of the Committees of Soldiers' Mothers, at least 14,000 died.

"Sometimes the discrepancies between the official figures and the unofficial ones are striking in scale. For example, survivors of the Maikop 131st Brigade said that more than 1,000 people from the brigade were killed in Grozny. The monument erected in Maykop lists only 110 names, and the Vkontakte thematic group lists 188 names of the dead," reports Kavkaz.Realii.

The second Chechen war began in 1999, and although active hostilities lasted until 2000, the counter-terrorist operation mode in the region lasted until 2009. Even today there are mass detentions and disappearances of young people in Chechnya, who are later found either in the police and officials' offices, or not found at all.

There is still no exact data on casualties in this war. According to official statistics of the Defense Ministry for 2010, from 1999 to 2008, 3,684 servicemen died in the North Caucasus and according to the Interior Ministry of the Russian Federation, more than 2,000 members of the Interior Forces were killed. According to the estimates of the Union of the Committees of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia, the official figures are underestimated by at least half.

As in the Afghan war, in Chechnya, there was no precise victory, great and shining, for the sake of which nothing was spared. Moreover, in Chechnya, the Russian army lost for years to volunteer guerrilla units, former farmers, and students, not to the professional military. Civilian casualties in Chechnya between 1999 and 2009 are incalculable and could amount to millions. The Russian army, especially during the second war, bombed civilian targets en masse, always claiming there were terrorists hiding there.

And yes, if this reminds you of the war in Ukraine, the second Chechen war was already being fought by Vladimir Putin.

Having negotiated with the current "director of Chechnya," Ramzan Kadyrov, Putin's first term passed with high popularity ratings, as propaganda broadcast his actions in Chechnya as "stopping the conflict.�

It is logical that in war times, the Ukrainian army is likely overstating enemy losses and downplaying its own in order to maintain morale. Still, in a recent interview with independent Russian media, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reported that Russians are in no hurry to take away the bodies of their dead soldiers, that they pack their remains almost in garbage bags. As awful as this looks, it is too similar to its past history to discount.

The orders from Moscow are that soldiers are expendable material and there is no price too high for final victory.

Alas, we have near daily reports of missiles flying into apartment buildings and shopping malls that kill ordinary Ukrainians � while Russian soldiers die on Ukrainian soil without even being counted.

How many more until the war ends? We may never know.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:08

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SilvergunSuperman posted:

An extremely important distinction, utter cowards vs victims.

This is easy to say from overseas in peacetime. The practicality of being pacifist/anti-war, especially in a country that will gulag you, your family, confiscate your assets, and publically label you the enemy is probably much more nuanced than this.

Even the implication here is that anyone who isn't fighting to the death against their own government when it does bad things is exactly as bad as the mobiks/Wagniks doing warcrimes, and does not bode well for anyone whose county has ever done evil

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:11

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

SilvergunSuperman posted:

An extremely important distinction, utter cowards vs victims.

Would you say American men dodging the Vietnam draft were cowards or brave?

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:12

zone: Dec 6, 2016

Vaginaface posted:

This is easy to say from overseas in peacetime. The practicality of being pacifist/anti-war, especially in a country that will gulag you, your family, confiscate your assets, and publically label you the enemy is probably much more nuanced than this.

Even the implication here is that anyone who isn't fighting to the death against their own government when it does bad things is exactly as bad as the mobiks/Wagniks doing warcrimes, and does not bode well for anyone whose county has ever done evil

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:17

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RDM posted:

The Russian government is using the war to help ethnically cleanse their own undesirable minorities, by conscripting all of them and sending them to die in place of the valuable ethnic Russians who are untouchable/have temporarily moved to Finland.

As long as the Russian leadership views their dead soldiers as part of the plan I don't think the disposition of the corpses is really the problem.

This is what Trump wanted, too and I will bet anything that this is what both leaders discussed in their ultra secret meetings- "How can we help each other get rid of those troubling non-whites in major urban areas?"

A limited and mutually orchestrated nuclear exchange, that's how you loving do it.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:23

RDM: Apr 6, 2009; I LOVE FINLAND AND ESPECIALLY FINLAND'S MILITARY ALLIANCES, GOOGLE FINLAND WORLD WAR 2 FOR MORE INFORMATION SLAVA UKRANI

Vaginaface posted:

This is easy to say from overseas in peacetime. The practicality of being pacifist/anti-war, especially in a country that will gulag you, your family, confiscate your assets, and publically label you the enemy is probably much more nuanced than this.

Even the implication here is that anyone who isn't fighting to the death against their own government when it does bad things is exactly as bad as the mobiks/Wagniks doing warcrimes, and does not bode well for anyone whose county has ever done evil

Why do you think draft dodgers are anti war?

poo poo if there's one thing Americans should know about it's that the send the military in kill em all crowd is not gonna sign up to be shot at. They're gonna have some reason it can't be them, and if all else fails they're going on a trip to someplace that won't ask questions.

RDM fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jun 22, 2023

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:23

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

keep in mind that getting gulaged in the scenario that youre arrested for being anti-war or opposing the government is the good outcome

other things that may happen to you instead include:

- beaten to death by nationalists
- beaten to death by national police
- beaten to death by OMON
- sent to prison where you die from the conditions, become a rooster and get sexually assaulted repeatedly, or murdered in a show of force by a zek higher up on the ladder
- sentenced to 20 years and then sent to wagner by force, you die on the frontlines
- sentenced to be forcibly conscripted into the russian national military, you die on the frontlines
- your family is harassed both officially and off the books by thugs
- sometimes your family is also imprisoned
- you could just get thrown out of a window, if you're prominent enough

am i missing anything? those are all things that have happened since last february or are actively happening to dissenters that i can recall off the top of my head

RDM posted:

Why do you think draft dodgers are anti war?

poo poo if there's one thing Americans should know about it's that the send the military in kill em all crowd is not gonna sign up to be shot at. They're gonna have some reason it can't be them, and if all else fails they're going on a trip to someplace that won't ask questions.

anti-war sentiment first and foremost starts with the "i dont wanna loving die" sentiment. then it goes into the reasons why you dont want to die, and the most common one is that you really dont want to die in the first place. and you drat sure dont want to die for something or someone you think is pointless or stupid. that's not being a coward, that's refusing to allow yourself to be turned into cannon fodder mobiks for the next meat assault at bakhmut. regardless of why you do it, thats a more tangible help to the ukrainian war effort than most things ordinary russians could do

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jun 22, 2023

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:25

Tigey: Apr 6, 2015

beer_war posted:

You know what Russia really needs? More nuclear threats.

https://eng.globalaffairs.ru/articles/ukraine-and-nuclear-weapons/

Truly, I am grateful to the esteemed Professor Trenin for considering the possibility of nuking me in order to to save me.

A useful article - lots of reiterations of Russia's long-term strategic aims in there.

The key part of course is the belief that Article 5 is ultimately a giant bluff, and as soon as Russia has the guts to raise the stakes and genuinely threaten the US with an imminent nuclear war, the cowardly degenerate homonazi hand-touching Western elites will all fold (unlike the disciplined manly traditonalist spiritually pure Russians), and NATO will quickly collapse, as the US backs down and sacrifices Europe to save itself from nuclear destruction.

All Russia then has to do is is loom over an unprotected Europe and make implied threats until it 'sees sense' and aligns itself under Russia's rightful influence and control (which would be very unpleasant for all involved).

This is why they aren't going to stop at Ukraine - if they genuinely believe that their ultimate enemy NATO is so brittle, then once Russia has sorted Ukraine out, they have EVERY incentive to call the Article 5 bluff, watch as its enemy implodes, and ride off into the sunset as their dreams of victory and empire materialise.

Its a colossal miscaluation, based upon their own vanity and prejudices (ie: West is morally degenerate and failing; Russia wouldn't uphold an Article 5 equivalent if one of its allies was attacked, so neither would the West, etc).

Tigey fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jun 22, 2023

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:28

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

Tigey posted:

A useful article - lots of reiterations of Russia's long-term strategic aims in there.

The key part of course is the belief that Article 5 is ultimately a giant bluff, and as soon as Russia has the guts to raise the stakes and genuinely threaten the US with an imminent nuclear war, the cowardly degenerate homonazi hand-touching Western elites will all fold (unlike the disciplined manly traditonalist spiritually pure Russians), and NATO will quickly collapse, as the US backs down and sacrifices Europe to save itself from nuclear destruction.

All Russia then has to do is is loom over an unprotected Europe and make implied threats until it 'sees sense' and aligns itself under Russia's rightful influence and control (which would be very unpleasant for all involved).

This is why they aren't going to stop at Ukraine - if they genuinely believe that their ultimate enemy NATO is so brittle, then once Russia has sorted Ukraine out, they have EVERY incentive to call the Article 5 bluff, watch as its enemy implodes, and ride off into the sunset as their dreams of victory and empire materialise.

Its a colossal miscaluation, based upon their own vanity and prejudices (ie: West is morally degenerate and failing; Russia wouldn't uphold an Article 5 equivalent if one of its allies was attacked, so neither would the West, etc).

a winning move is to assume the only country that has nuked an enemy in warfare will for some reason not do it again should it feel the need to

e: russia already failed to uphold its article 5 equivalent lmao, i forgot about that. but i bet armenia didnt!

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:32

Icept: Jul 11, 2001

beer_war posted:

Such a perspective, real not theoretical, should serve as an incentive to curb and stop conflict escalation and ultimately pave the way for a strategic equilibrium in Europe that suits us.

"Conflicts should not be escalated" says country that single-handedly escalated what was essentially a proxy funded insurrection / border skirmish into a full blown invasion that had people expecting World War III at any moment

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:36

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

Icept posted:

"Conflicts should not be escalated" says country that single-handedly escalated what was essentially a proxy funded insurrection / border skirmish into a full blown invasion that had people expecting World War III at any moment

It would be more accurate to say that country single-handedly escalated peace into a full blown war because there wasn't a proxy war until Russia decided to steal Crimea

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:41

The_Franz: Aug 8, 2003

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1671877898133962754?s=20

Everything is fine, the situation is normal, and Russia is here forever, but here's the location of your nearest bomb shelter*, for no specific reason, because, as we said, everything is fine.

*not guaranteed to be accessible, free of gopniks/gangsters, or even still exist

# ? Jun 22, 2023 18:56

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1671823436706902017
Start from reality t. man who claimed Ukraine lost nearly 250 tanks and 700 armored vehicles so far

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:00

Rad Russian: Aug 15, 2007; Soviet Power Supreme!

zone posted:

Start from reality t. man who claimed Ukraine lost nearly 250 tanks and 700 armored vehicles so far

It's still not clear if he claims that knowing it's false or if it's simply what his generals tell him. They don't want to look like morons, so report to him that they're fighting NATO who is sending 10 Polish battalions a day. That way, their current situation looks somewhat understandable.

Putin is a true boomer and does not use a smartphone or the internet at all. I doubt he can easily do fact-checks on poo poo that flows to him, so he operates off of that. At the beginning of his reign, he was getting amazing info from ex-KGB agencies and thus looked like a genius dictator. Over 20 years it looks like he North Korea'ed his own intelligence services and the army into a propaganda game of telephone.

He probably lives in his own reality right now which he thinks is actually reality.

Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 22, 2023

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:09

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zone posted:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1671823436706902017
Start from reality t. man who claimed Ukraine lost nearly 250 tanks and 700 armored vehicles so far

gently caress, is are president finally learning? Concerning.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:13

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

Rad Russian posted:

Putin is a true boomer and does not use a smartphone or the internet at all. I doubt he can easily do fact-checks on poo poo that flows to him, so he operates off of that. At the beginning of his reign, he was getting amazing info from ex-KGB agencies and thus looked like a genius dictator. Over 20 years it looks like he North Korea'ed his own intelligence services and the army into a propaganda game of telephone.

He probably lives in his own reality right now which he thinks is actually reality.

A big part of it is the shifting nature and increased reliance on technology he doesn't trust or use. The more computerized the world became the less capable putin became in turn

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:16

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SilvergunSuperman posted:

What am I missing? this was mildly funny.

it is illegal to hold an anti-war stance in gbs. you will be probed and labeled a "peace troll" and/or a "foreign agent spreading disinformatsiya" on your permanent record. the community has a very strict policy on this. you might even get more time than the guy whos posting their fantasies about starting a rape gang

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:18

hemale in pain: Jun 5, 2010

E: DONT BAIT ME!!

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:25

zone: Dec 6, 2016

croup coughfield posted:

it is illegal to hold an anti-war stance in gbs. you will be probed and labeled a "peace troll" and/or a "foreign agent spreading disinformatsiya" on your permanent record. the community has a very strict policy on this. you might even get more time than the guy whos posting their fantasies about starting a rape gang

Russia's stated aims of this invasion have been conquest and genocide. Have you missed the multitude of times they've openly said it? So Ukraine was just supposed to roll over and let it happen, right? :frogout:

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:28

steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

croup coughfield posted:

it is illegal to hold an anti-war stance in gbs. you will be probed and labeled a "peace troll" and/or a "foreign agent spreading disinformatsiya" on your permanent record. the community has a very strict policy on this. you might even get more time than the guy whos posting their fantasies about starting a rape gang

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

We are paid to shill for the war, and so shill we do

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:31

hemale in pain: Jun 5, 2010

There's no point arguing with them. It's the same with Trump supporters or Anti-vaxxers, they're looking to get a rise out of confrontation and don't care about reality. just let them get probed.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:32

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I am very pro-war, in that I wish that belligerents would withdraw their invading armies occupying other countries, and generally stop attacking other countries. This is the highest level of bloodthirstiness known to mankind.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:33

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

Sorry I just got my new orders from NAFO and I have no choice but to pivot to my new long held stance of "war good"

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:35

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
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Peace in our time as long as Russia is allowed to reoccupy Prague.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:38

Dwesa: Jul 19, 2016; Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

Rad Russian posted:

It's still not clear if he claims that knowing it's false or if it's simply what his generals tell him. They don't want to look like morons, so report to him that they're fighting NATO who is sending 10 Polish battalions a day. That way, their current situation looks somewhat understandable.

Putin is a true boomer and does not use a smartphone or the internet at all. I doubt he can easily do fact-checks on poo poo that flows to him, so he operates off of that. At the beginning of his reign, he was getting amazing info from ex-KGB agencies and thus looked like a genius dictator. Over 20 years it looks like he North Korea'ed his own intelligence services and the army into a propaganda game of telephone.

He probably lives in his own reality right now which he thinks is actually reality.

After 15 months of a 3-day operation, he knows they lie to him. He knows they are sending thousands to die in a meatgrinder, that they are leveling cities and bombing hospitals. He doesn't care about lives and will continue the war despite all costs. He is just playing "Good tsar, bad boyars" so he can claim he was lied to and was unaware of the catastrophe (he had caused).

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:41

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1671934617480314898

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:43

TulliusCicero: Jul 29, 2017

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1671934617480314898

Ah yes the offensive that stalled out

Right yeah

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:47

Sedgr: Sep 16, 2007; Neat!

Putin is a real piece of poo poo.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:50

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

i wish all russian ground forces a very pleasant rout

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:59

Der Kyhe: Jun 25, 2008

HonorableTB posted:

i wish all russian ground forces a very pleasant rout

Its midsummer's weekend, on the northern hemisphere the summer solstice was yesterday so it is really easy to run away! There will be natural light late into the evening and sun raises very early, so you can conveniently leg it right after breakfast, even if you are doing a morning shift in the trench.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:03

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/revishvilig/status/1671934461389291540
There goes another ammo depot.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:10

GABA ghoul: Oct 29, 2011

zone posted:

Russia's stated aims of this invasion have been conquest and genocide. Have you missed the multitude of times they've openly said it? So Ukraine was just supposed to roll over and let it happen, right?

I just want to watch the Ukrainian population getting genocided by the Russian state, but hey, that's your opinion and I'm ok with that. Guess you still have a lot of growing up to do.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:20

Der Kyhe: Jun 25, 2008

GABA ghoul posted:

I just want to watch the Ukrainian population getting genocided by the Russian state, but hey, that's your opinion and I'm ok with that. Guess you still have a lot of growing up to do.

Hey Ukraine are historically the lands of the Kievan Rus, which as name dictates are from ...Russia obviously.

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jun 22, 2023

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:21

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

not gonna lie i wouldn't have minded if that really weird sexual assault group post got more than a sixer. that was p gross

Der Kyhe posted:

Hey Ukraine are historically the lands of the Kievan Rus, which as name dictates are from ...~~Russia~~ scandinavia obviously.

or was that :thejoke:

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:54

Dead forum user: Oct 1, 2021

TulliusCicero posted:

Ah yes the offensive that stalled out

Right yeah

While I enjoy the Russian copium as much as anyone, the offensive has definitely not been very succesful so far. It's a few km here and there.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:55

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

Dead forum user posted:

While I enjoy the Russian copium as much as anyone, the offensive has definitely not been very succesful so far. It's a few km here and there.

That is normal and expected. The aberration was the massive unplanned disassembly of russian lines at Kharkiv. Counteroffensives begin with shaping operations, then probing attacks, then concentration and breakthrough. We are at the very beginning of the probing attacks step. Be patient, offensives typically take on the scale of months before culmination.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:57

Der Kyhe: Jun 25, 2008

HonorableTB posted:

or was that

Not really, I was more worried that someone would think that I actually believe that Muscovites have any say on what goes on the King Rurik's lands.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:58

Dead forum user: Oct 1, 2021

HonorableTB posted:

That is normal and expected. The aberration was the massive unplanned disassembly of russian lines at Kharkiv. Counteroffensives begin with shaping operations, then probing attacks, then concentration and breakthrough. We are at the very beginning of the probing attacks step. Be patient, offensives typically take on the scale of months before culmination.

Absolutely, there's also indications Ukrainians are pretty succesfully hitting logistics and artillery in the Russian rear. The counter offensive may very well be succesful.

At the same time pro-Ukraine/western media can be prone to its own form of hopium/copium where every captured 100 metres is announced like a massive breakthrough. I also remember some news a few weeks back saying Ukraine had "encircled" Bakhmut for example which is just bullshit

# ? Jun 22, 2023 21:06

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# ? May 30, 2024 05:46

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

Der Kyhe posted:

Not really, I was more worried that someone would think that I actually believe that Muscovites have any say on what goes on the King Rurik's lands.

got it, i have been upside down in crusader kings lately so the line between my spymaster reporting his own assassination plans and reality is blurred

Dead forum user posted:

At the same time pro-Ukraine/western media can be prone to its own form of hopium/copium where every captured 100 metres is announced like a massive breakthrough. I also remember some news a few weeks back saying Ukraine had "encircled" Bakhmut for example which is just bullshit

some of this thread's very posters can come up with some quite riveting fanfiction, you're absolutely right :v:

it's never a bad thing to have periodic reminders to check your own copium tolerance and make sure you're huffing a mixture that includes more reality than propaganda. good post

# ? Jun 22, 2023 21:07

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