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Wait, really? Huh. e: okay but isn’t that because the Khan who was franchised out by the Great Khan to rule over Iran was called the ilKhan? The ilKhanate was never a supreme authority over all Mongolian Khans, it was more like one of Alexander’s successor states, yeah? We may be running into some difference in definition between local and global here. General Battuta fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jun 21, 2023 |
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I mean, yeah, it’s all a wash in the end. You’re roughly correct, from my reading, since that was the ilkhanate, and the ilkhan (regional khan) was the ruler of it, but now there are lower power khans in the two branches of the people. Anyway, this is way off topic. Sorry for the detail.
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I'm actually working on something that features a lot of Mongolian history and culture so this is really interesting and fun to read about. Thank you.
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Xenomrph posted:So as an outsider with a barely-functional understanding of the setting and the franchise as a whole, how come we haven't gotten live-action Battletech movies/shows yet? I hope it's because anyone who had the power to make it happen also had the foresight to know it would be terrible. CGI battle sequences are expensive, and they'd likely be few and far between like the space battles in The Expanse. So we'd end up with another SF show that's mostly intense talking a la BSG reboot and has only smidgens of the actual central premise: giant robot battles. And those battles would probably look pretty bad. Battlemechs aren't dynamic giant metal man robots like those from PacRim and the anime that inspire it. They're walking tank robots like those from Robot Jox. And the producers couldn't get away with using water and darkness to hide things to the extent Del Toro could in PacRim.
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I'm hoping we'll see what current tech for stompy robots looks like with the horizon zero dawn tv show. It's pre plague so I'd assume there's going to be footage of the deathbringers
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PeterWeller posted:I hope it's because anyone who had the power to make it happen also had the foresight to know it would be terrible. CGI battle sequences are expensive, and they'd likely be few and far between like the space battles in The Expanse. So we'd end up with another SF show that's mostly intense talking a la BSG reboot and has only smidgens of the actual central premise: giant robot battles. You aren't picking the right robots for the job. Certain medium and low-end heavy 'Mechs with jump jets could do it, with proper art design and direction.
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PeterWeller posted:I hope it's because anyone who had the power to make it happen also had the foresight to know it would be terrible. CGI battle sequences are expensive, and they'd likely be few and far between like the space battles in The Expanse. So we'd end up with another SF show that's mostly intense talking a la BSG reboot and has only smidgens of the actual central premise: giant robot battles. Battletech shouldn't be anime-style fights. That's where Pacific Rim 2 lost me.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:You aren't picking the right robots for the job. Certain medium and low-end heavy 'Mechs with jump jets could do it, with proper art design and direction. I dunno. Maybe I'm brain poisoned by the Mechwarrior games, but I don't think of mechs like the Phoenix Hawk and Jenner being all that dynamic either. And there would still be the matter of making those fights look good. Like I said, you couldn't get away with using darkness and water to obscure more clunky motions the way PacRim did. PhotoKirk posted:Battletech shouldn't be anime-style fights. That's where Pacific Rim 2 lost me. I agree. PeterWeller fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jun 21, 2023 |
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PeterWeller posted:I hope it's because anyone who had the power to make it happen also had the foresight to know it would be terrible. CGI battle sequences are expensive, and they'd likely be few and far between like the space battles in The Expanse. So we'd end up with another SF show that's mostly intense talking a la BSG reboot and has only smidgens of the actual central premise: giant robot battles. BattleMechs are more nimble than most people think though. They can pick things up to use as weapons, they can climb over things, not just walk over them. In Wolves on the Border A Shadow Hawk lies down and tries to grab at an enemy in a building. In another scene a Grasshopper drags a friendly mech away.
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Maybe the the whole ilKhan thing with the clans was Andery quietly trolling Nicholas, who fell for it hook line and sinker
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Battletech should absolutely be anime-style fights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtwkJ2lC0sQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-VB0tob72s
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The Bundle of Holding has a special on ten issues of Shrapnel. edit: It's only good till the 28th, but get 10 issues for $14.95 https://bundleofholding.com/presents/Shrapnel SirFozzie fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jun 21, 2023 |
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:BattleMechs are more nimble than most people think though. They can pick things up to use as weapons, they can climb over things, not just walk over them. In Wolves on the Border A Shadow Hawk lies down and tries to grab at an enemy in a building. In another scene a Grasshopper drags a friendly mech away.
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Looks like we've exposed the habitual slow 'Mech players in this thread
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I love the fire moth but dang if princess doesn't just immediately roll an 11 or 12
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Arquinsiel posted:I re-read that last week. The Shadow Hawk doesn't lie down, it' uses jump-jets to superman it's way into and through the wall of the building and tries to grab someone, then wiggles out backwards and hopes to not die on landing. was that Dechan Fraser going after Jerry Akuma? If memory served, he snapped the elevator cables and sent him a-plungin', so it worked
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My Lights always die immediately. I have no idea how to use them properly. If they hide they get cornered. If they cross open terrain they get sniped.
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Move maximum distance, always, only shoot larger mechs in the back. Never stop, or you die.
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GD_American posted:was that Dechan Fraser going after Jerry Akuma?
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Marx Headroom posted:My Lights always die immediately. I have no idea how to use them properly. If they hide they get cornered. If they cross open terrain they get sniped. If they use a long ranged weapon like LRMs or a LPPC, circle near the max range of your weapon. If they mount small guns you're basically a slasher, line up your attack runs through as much clear terrain as possible without having to stop, maybe turn at the last second to get a second run (away) going. Use LOS to keep the number of things that can shoot you to a minimum.
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The best way I find to use Lights is to have them be flankers. Wait until the enemy has engaged your scarier units and then duck them in and shoot them in the rear end, then pull back as needed. That way you wind up giving your opponent two poor choices to choose from: Focus on your actual threatening units and let the bugs potentially cripple you with backshots, or waste time shooting and the squirrel rear end in a top hat and hope you don't roll poorly, lest you wind up with a fat sack of nothing for your troubles.
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GD_American posted:was that Dechan Fraser going after Jerry Akuma? Yup. Accidentally saved Akuma from Quinn in the process. "Come back and die, you scum."  SHD2H by photokirk, on Flickr
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As for movie chat, the right director can make a ww2 tank battle look dynamic. It’s not about the nimbleness of the machine, it’s about the skills of the people shooting the movie. The duel scene in White Tiger could almost be translated 1:1 into a BT duel, all I’m sayin’. And that movie had a shoestring budget. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Jun 22, 2023 |
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Marx Headroom posted:My Lights always die immediately. I have no idea how to use them properly. If they hide they get cornered. If they cross open terrain they get sniped. Transport Elementals, then die. Arquinsiel posted:I re-read that last week. The Shadow Hawk doesn't lie down, it' uses jump-jets to superman it's way into and through the wall of the building and tries to grab someone, then wiggles out backwards and hopes to not die on landing. Ah, it's been a while. Rereading old CBT novels it's still interesting how much more nimble BattleMechs are compared to more recent CGL novels where they are literally just walking weapons platforms where the hands seem to be an afterthought.
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Yeah, but in the old novels pilots get sad when they get upgraded from Locusts too
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WHK may have only had Dougram to use as a reference at the time. Now we know that mechs fall over all the time.
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Defiance Industries posted:WHK may have only had Dougram to use as a reference at the time. Solaris VII is extremely the first episode of Votoms, too.
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Mechwarrior 5 made the mistake of letting me pick the name and logo of my mercenary group
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Not seeing a mistake here.
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Question- are all the ilClan TRO volumes ever gonna be compiled? Don't feel like paying 160 bucks
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IIRC the devs mentioned in one of the streams that they were going to do TRO compilations although they may need to be more than one volume due to the number of Ilclan TROs.
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There's two, one for new variants of old machines and the other for new designs.
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Even then, I think there probably aren't enough pages for a similar-length paper TRO to cover everything. Volume 1: Classics only covered the old old stuff, while Volume 2 seems like it's going to be filled up with new designs only. Unless the same highly condensed triple-entry format for the remaining TRO 3039/3050/other Clan stuff pages from the PDFs is kept, there's got to be a Volume 3 in planning somewhere. Meanwhile there are still hundreds and hundreds of other machines from 3055/3058/3060/3067/3075/3085 that have yet to receive the new art process treatment, though some exceptions have been cherry-picked from those TROs.
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We've been told there are two.
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They're not rewriting the short entries that go three to a page or anything like that. It's also possible they might trim notable pilots down to just what fits on the one page. They're not going to have any new content in them so I don't really see what other units not having gotten new art has to do with anything.
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but i need more robot books with art that doesn't suck
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Don't know what to tell you, they've been pretty upfront that these are just reprints and if you have the original rec guides you don't need to buy them because there won't be anything new
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My previous obtuse post aside, I'm really just interested in every single machine in the game going through the new art process. BT needs its own uniform game/brand equity aesthetic that no one else can jerk around, and upgrading (it's upgrading IMO) everything in canon to work for a single era to play in goes a long way towards that. Also, said era needs to get sold harder as the standard era to play in, too many folks are afraid to dip their toes in the water
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I think they really need to work on differentiating more by era. The Griffin, Pillager, Atlas and Eris all look like they were designed by the same person and walked off the same factory line even though they are divided by 700 years and multiple technological leaps. They even made the main guns on the Pillager huge rather than recessing them into the torso, which makes the machine look significantly more primitive than it used to.
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I would absolutely love for them to just reprint the classic TROs with the new art. TROs 3025, 2750, and 3050 are basically the foundation of the setting and their unavailability is a drat shame.
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