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Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

Older versions of Dban were available as a bootable floppy image.

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namlosh
Feb 11, 2014

I name this haircut "The Sad Rhino".

lobsterminator posted:

Pretty much all professional games and applications were machine language.

I only say this because I used to get it wrong and was corrected: all machines use machine language, it’s all they understand. But (almost) no human codes in machine language (after things like the Altair and Southwest PC in which you did). Humans almost exclusively code in Assembly language at that low level, which is one to one with machine language but has mnemonics to make it way easier than literally remembering numbers and bit patterns. The written assembly would then be “assembled or converted” into machine language using an assembler program

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

flavor.flv posted:

drat, I could actually really use one of those. I'd love to get this puppy going again



Nice marmot.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

namlosh posted:

But (almost) no human codes in machine language (after things like the Altair and Southwest PC in which you did). Humans almost exclusively code in Assembly language at that low level, which is one to one with machine language but has mnemonics to make it way easier than literally remembering numbers and bit patterns. The written assembly would then be “assembled or converted” into machine language using an assembler program
For 8-bit micros it was a combination of both. To be honest, something like the 6502 didn't have that many instructions and folks would remember the opcodes for common ones anyways. The main benefit of an assembler isn't so much the instruction-to-opcode translation anyways, but being able to use address labels for things like branches/jumps and having the assembler (or linker) compute the actual address for you.

Machines of that area usually came with a machine language monitor, disassembler, maybe a mini-assembler, but full-blown macro assemblers didn't come about until a few years later and were often out of reach of amateur programmers. To the earlier point though, commercial software often did use them due to the amount of code involved.

namlosh
Feb 11, 2014

I name this haircut "The Sad Rhino".

ExcessBLarg! posted:

For 8-bit micros it was a combination of both. To be honest, something like the 6502 didn't have that many instructions and folks would remember the opcodes for common ones anyways. The main benefit of an assembler isn't so much the instruction-to-opcode translation anyways, but being able to use address labels for things like branches/jumps and having the assembler (or linker) compute the actual address for you.

Machines of that area usually came with a machine language monitor, disassembler, maybe a mini-assembler, but full-blown macro assemblers didn't come about until a few years later and were often out of reach of amateur programmers. To the earlier point though, commercial software often did use them due to the amount of code involved.

Nice… thx!

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012




namlosh posted:

Nice… thx!

Yeah in many early machine language books the process was often that you wrote assembly on paper and transcribed it to machine code yourself and entered the hexes into the computer. This book for example shows the hexes always alongside the assembly. Assemblers became more of a thing in later 8-bit years and 16-bit computers.

http://www.atarimania.com/documents/6502%20Machine%20Code%20for%20Humans.pdf

magimix
Dec 31, 2003

MY FAT WAIFU!!! :love:
She's fetish efficient :3:

Nap Ghost

lobsterminator posted:

Yeah in many early machine language books the process was often that you wrote assembly on paper and transcribed it to machine code yourself and entered the hexes into the computer. This book for example shows the hexes always alongside the assembly. Assemblers became more of a thing in later 8-bit years and 16-bit computers.

http://www.atarimania.com/documents/6502%20Machine%20Code%20for%20Humans.pdf

I while back I found myself doing something a little similar. For a fun diversion, I wrote a Chip8 'emulator' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIP-8). I also wrote some programs for it, but since I couldn't be bothered to create any tooling, I used a spreadsheet. One column contained the mnemonic symbols expressing the program, another column contained their machine code analogues, another column held memory addresses, and I shuffled cells around as I hand-assembled each given program.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
old porn got thrown out


Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




There is definitely a subreddit thats super mad about that right now

titties
May 10, 2012

They're like two suicide notes stuffed into a glitter bra

So am i tbh, that poo poo belongs in a museum



by "museum" i mean "several cardboard boxes in my closet"

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

LifeSunDeath posted:

old porn got thrown out




I worked at a video rental store in the 90s, and those transparent tape boxes are giving me serious flashbacks. My entire day revolved around sorting and carrying tapes in boxes just like that, in huge numbers.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


LifeSunDeath posted:

old porn got thrown out




NO!!!!!!!

I EMPLORE the thread and greater forum if you have vintage porn in Laserdisc format, please let me know before you frisbee them!!!!!!!

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Humphreys posted:

NO!!!!!!!

I EMPLORE the thread and greater forum if you have vintage porn in Laserdisc format, please let me know before you frisbee them!!!!!!!

Do you want one of these? https://www.ebay.com/itm/203992239884

Thats not mine, but I have the exact same one and no use for it

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.

Beve Stuscemi posted:

Do you want one of these? https://www.ebay.com/itm/203992239884

Thats not mine, but I have the exact same one and no use for it

How long til Goons manage to fill Humphreys house with random AV poo poo? I say we find out. Sorry Humphreys!

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


LifeSunDeath posted:

old porn got thrown out




Send them bitches to the Internet Archive at once

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Beve Stuscemi posted:

Do you want one of these? https://www.ebay.com/itm/203992239884

Thats not mine, but I have the exact same one and no use for it

How am I supposed to jack off to tree frogs?

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Cojawfee posted:

How am I supposed to jack off to tree frogs?

you've been on the internet for at least 17 years and you haven't figured that out yet what have you been doing

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Negostrike posted:

Send them bitches to the Internet Archive at once

not my pictures thank god, I worked at blockbuster in my youth, I would probably cry if I had to manage that many tapes/cases again.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

The world isn't gonna end because someone threw away 100 jizz-stained VHS tapes of Monster Jugs Party Volume 17

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.

Sweevo posted:

The world isn't gonna end because someone threw away 100 jizz-stained VHS tapes of Monster Jugs Party Volume 17

How do you know?

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Lollin @ laserdisc porn. CAV deluxe pressings so you can freezeframe and finely scrub. With bonus features

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

lobsterminator posted:

Yeah in many early machine language books the process was often that you wrote assembly on paper and transcribed it to machine code yourself and entered the hexes into the computer. This book for example shows the hexes always alongside the assembly. Assemblers became more of a thing in later 8-bit years and 16-bit computers.

http://www.atarimania.com/documents/6502%20Machine%20Code%20for%20Humans.pdf
I'm old enough that I wrote games for computer magazines in the '80s, the ones that printed the source and expected the readers to type everything in.

One time I wrote a text adventure whose parser was written in assembly. When I submitted it, the editors liked the game, but said that the didn't publish stuff written in assembly. Because most of their readers wouldn't have an assembler.

I converted the parser into a bunch of DATA statements and a loop to POKE it all into memory—which made the listing a loving nightmare to enter by hand—and they accepted it.

snorch
Jul 27, 2009
I tried to do one of those in our school computer lab on a C64 and the teacher shut it off before I could save it, because she thought it had been left on by mistake. It was probably riddled with typos and wouldn't have run anyway, but :unsmigghh:

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

SubG posted:

One time I wrote a text adventure whose parser was written in assembly. When I submitted it, the editors liked the game, but said that the didn't publish stuff written in assembly. Because most of their readers wouldn't have an assembler.
Which platform? Was there no commonly available machine language monitor? I guess on C64 you couldn't expect everyone to have Fast Load cartridge.

Anyways the same trick was often used on Apple II to have a BASIC program include an assembly routine without needing to have a separate listing for it.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

ExcessBLarg! posted:

Which platform? Was there no commonly available machine language monitor?
TRS-80 Color Computer. They did have a built-in ML monitor, but I think the problem was that different hardware revs got different versions of the tools (or some weren't shipped with it?). I recall using a "separate" editor and assembler that was sold as a standalone product by Radio Shack (and loaded off tape), but I don't remember the detailed differences between it and the builtin tools.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Data Graham posted:

Lollin @ laserdisc porn. CAV deluxe pressings so you can freezeframe and finely scrub. With bonus features

The con: You have to get up half way to flip to the other side unless you have a fancy player.

The pro: You can hang disc two off ya dick when swapping to the second disc.

Beve Stuscemi posted:

Do you want one of these? https://www.ebay.com/itm/203992239884

Thats not mine, but I have the exact same one and no use for it

Probably too expensive to ship from overseas to be honest. I have a dealer here that feeds my drug addiction that probably has it.

an actual frog
Mar 1, 2007


HEH, HEH, HEH!
CRD's latest on Phonenix Hyperspace is an hour plus deep dive into madness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5M0TwnkWUM

e: If you've read their blog post on the same it's still worth watching :allears:

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Jesu Christo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1OEZ42yf_4

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



an actual frog posted:

CRD's latest on Phonenix Hyperspace is an hour plus deep dive into madness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5M0TwnkWUM

e: If you've read their blog post on the same it's still worth watching :allears:

https://gekk.info/articles/hyperspace.htm if you don't feel like watching a long video

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.

Pham Nuwen posted:

https://gekk.info/articles/hyperspace.htm if you don't feel like watching a long video

That site has some nice stuff that hasn't made it into videos yet:

boot sequence "improvements"

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Pham Nuwen posted:

https://gekk.info/articles/hyperspace.htm if you don't feel like watching a long video

Though I will say that if you have the time and attention span, CRD is always an entertaining watch. He is accomplished in the art of foreshadowing, which is a rare quality in these sorts of videos, IMO.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
If you're not watching CRD's videos, you're doing yourself a disservice. He's not padding his videos, they are jam packed with information.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
I have ADHD but CRD videos I can always get through. Granted I am usually mopping the floor or feeding a baby at the same time but still

snorch
Jul 27, 2009
I don’t see anything wrong with keeping multiple systems in RAM and just pointing the everything to different virtual memory addresses. I guess the proper solution is just virtualization.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




CRD’s videos rule and I’m glad he gets to do them as his full time job now, he deserves it way more than a lot of ‘content creators’

Horace
Apr 17, 2007

Gone Skiin'

Every one of his videos is “ugh, I’m not watching an hour long video about this” and then you watch an hour long video about that.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

Pham Nuwen posted:

https://gekk.info/articles/hyperspace.htm if you don't feel like watching a long video

this is completely nuts and only got more so the more I read

thank you, I had no idea anything like this ever existed, holy poo poo

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA
Cathode Ray Dude is like Technology Connections for people who never cared about any electronics without screens

Said in a good way mind

Also his name is extremely cool yet I can never remember it. Something like Corwin. Corbin. Corbin Dallas Mooltipass

namlosh
Feb 11, 2014

I name this haircut "The Sad Rhino".
He loves dropping it occasionally… it’s Gravis, right? Like the gamepad lol

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Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008
They go by Gravis.

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